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Phil66
Nov 14 2018, 08:54 PM
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Thanks Ben,

It did help a little, I need to dig our my Music Theory For Dummies book. I still think my mind is funky in that I hear sadness when others don't, at risk of offending non-specific gender persons, maybe I'm just a big girl at heart and I can cry at anything.

Cheers buddy.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 14 2018, 08:54 PM) *
Thanks Ben,

It did help a little, I need to dig our my Music Theory For Dummies book. I still think my mind is funky in that I hear sadness when others don't, at risk of offending non-specific gender persons, maybe I'm just a big girl at heart and I can cry at anything.

Cheers buddy.

Phil


The gender-debate is a funky one. I'm trying my best to correct myself in a lot of the wordings and terms I grew up with. I still say "wrong" things at times, but hopefully we can all move to a healthy balance in that, which doesn't favor one or the other.

If I can help just a little bit, then I am happy!

I sent you a long PM by the way smile.gif

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 14 2018, 10:24 PM) *
I sent you a long PM by the way smile.gif


Read it and answered it wink.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 12 2018, 10:03 PM) *
Hello folks,

Can you tell me what the interval is in the first one please, I find it sounds very very sad if played slowly, either individual notes or letting the first note ring. Is the interval the same in the second TAB? I can't get my head around it as it's the same notes but one going down to A and one going up to A. The second one I still find sad but not as sad as the first, kind of like having a glimmer of hope but the sadness is still there. I hope this makes sense.

Thank you.

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I made an intervals map/cheat sheet using GMC's Scale Generator. It's how I was taught the intervals. I was taught up to 2 octaves and I see it makes sense, since there are Add13 chords out there smile.gif Hope this helps!

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Jan 2 2019, 09:45 PM
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Thanks Adam, I appreciate your help,

I assume that's for going up in pitch from the root? Say for when you're building chords?

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 2 2019, 09:45 PM) *
Thanks Adam, I appreciate your help,

I assume that's for going up in pitch from the root? Say for when you're building chords?

Cheers

Phil

After the octave (8) everything repeats. If you subtract 7 from the interval, you get the regular interval. So a 10 becomes a third, 11 becomes a fourth, etc. Also, please remember it's all different between G string and B string - you need to go up 1 more fret than you'd normally go on strings E, A, D, G.

As for the chords, I'll explain using open G Major. As you can see, it's quite the same, as you play the Root higher by an octave, so in relation to the lowest Root it's higher than an octave, but for the next (higher in pitch) Root it's within an octave. Whichever version of G Major you play, you hit the basic notes it's made of. I'm not sure how to explain this more, so I hope someone can help me.

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Now I'm confused lol. It's hard to explain things sometimes isn't it? I often struggle to explain things.

Thanks for trying buddy wink.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 2 2019, 10:55 PM) *
Now I'm confused lol. It's hard to explain things sometimes isn't it? I often struggle to explain things.

Thanks for trying buddy wink.gif

I'm sorry for complicating things sad.gif

As Others already explained, a Major triad (basic Major chord) consists of a Major 3rd + Minor 3rd (in that order) and Minor triad (basic Minor chord) consists of a Minor 3rd + Major 3rd.

A half step = 1 fret. Major 3rd is 4 half steps and Minor 3rd is 3 half steps. The first note of a chord is the Root. When you combine Major and Minor 3rd's, you get 7 half steps. 7 half steps equal a 5th.

In the example I used, G is the Root. Because it's G Major, there has to be a Major 3rd followed by a Minor 3rd. That means you count 4 half steps from the Root (on the diagram map it's marked as "3") and that note is B. Then you count 3 more half steps (from B, not G) and you get a 5th (marked as "5") and that note is D. It's exactly a G Major - it's notes are G - B - D).

Then, in my example, there is another G. So, the pattern repeats.

About the sad feeling, someone told me that descending notes (in pitch) generally create sad mood. Especially when you use a Minor scale. I guess if you reverse it, ascending notes should sound somehow happier. However, I don't think either of the intervals you posted sound sad.

I hope that clears up anything I said before smile.gif

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QUOTE (Adam M @ Jan 3 2019, 11:06 AM) *
I'm sorry for complicating things sad.gif

About the sad feeling, someone told me that descending notes (in pitch) generally create sad mood. Especially when you use a Minor scale. I guess if you reverse it, ascending notes should sound somehow happier. However, I don't think either of the intervals you posted sound sad.

I hope that clears up anything I said before smile.gif


It's not you complicating things buddy, I just need that light bulb moment to hit me.

They both sound sad to me, I think because, as you pointed out, going down in pitch can sound sad. These notes only sound sad to me when played in the order of the tab. If I play them as a double stop they don't. So long as I play one after the other in the TAB order they sound sad, even if I let the first note carry on ringing.

I guess this relates to my other thread about creative expression, and how to convey your feelings to others. I'll be playing what I think is sad and everyone else will be thinking I'm a happy bunny laugh.gif

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