Hurricane Irma 400 Miles Wide Uggh |
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Hurricane Irma 400 Miles Wide Uggh |
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Sep 7 2017, 10:11 PM |
This is scary stuff! Do we have any GMCers nearby?
Todd form what I can tell you seem to be on the safe side. |
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Sep 8 2017, 12:08 AM |
Always wondered, such events happen almost every year yet USA always suffers the same. I mean homes can be made from concrete (even roofs), powerlines can be placed underground, water can be stored for a very long time... You noticed that -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Sep 8 2017, 06:58 PM |
Ultimately, at least here in the US, it's gonna be the insurance companies that determine where one builds and what standards they must build to.
In Cali, if you live right on the coast - you can't get homeowners insurance. You can put up a bond but you can't get actual insurance. *And this started long before we talked about climate change. The Pacific (which is not so pacifico) pummels the west coast and erodes the coastline. Every year the sea eats and swallows a half dozen houses. Also, out here, earthquake insurance is 1) expensive and 2) the deductible is ridiculous - 20% of your house's insured value ($250,000 house = deductible is $50,000). Same with fire insurance if you live at the edge of or in the forest of the hills to the north and east of here. Some companies won't cover you at all and some will charge a separate and very high 'extra' premium. That's how the quake insurance works. Sold and backed by the state but brokered through the private ins cos and, it's a separate bill. In most cases it's the same price per month as one's regular homeowners policy. So you pay double for coverage that may or may not kick in depending on much damage you sustain. State Farm, Allstate and the like are just going to stop selling insurance if you want to build on reclaimed swamp land or tear up a marsh, or live in a flood plain or even if you just live at sea level by the coast. Those 100 year storms now seem to happen every 3 years. This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 8 2017, 08:27 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Sep 9 2017, 02:41 PM |
Ultimately, at least here in the US, it's gonna be the insurance companies that determine where one builds and what standards they must build to. Alligators, snakes, cockroaches, mosquitos, brain eating amoeba, heat, humidity, swamps,... Even without hurricanes, Florida is just barely fit for human habitation . Seriously though, you're right. There's been a shift in the past year and you see more coastal communities in the southeast, especially Louisiana, seriously considering relocating or abandoning their towns. It doesn't matter why, the fact is change is coming. Almost the entire state of Florida is just a few feet above sea level. Since it's surrounded on three sides by water you can't build some dikes like the Netherlands to keep the water out. One good storm surge and all those people evacuating will have nothing to come home to. You have to wonder if maybe they should just keep driving north and not come back. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Sep 9 2017, 04:49 PM |
For anyone that is interested. Here is a link to a live stream from Key West Florida. Down at the bottom of that page there are links to other live streams such as Miami and Tampa etc.
http://www.keywestharborwebcam.com/ |
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Sep 10 2017, 10:06 PM |
Ok Todd - fingers crossed the storm won't take away power for too long from you..!
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Sep 11 2017, 01:30 AM |
Amen to that!!! Studio will be useless, air conditioner useless, refrigerator useless and everything goes bad in it, no internet access accept for the phone, uggh. I really hope we don't lose power. Millions of people have lost power in florida and the transformers have exploded from being flooded. They have no idea when power will return. I'm really glad I don't live in Florida.I feel bad for those folks.
I am going to expand my guitar charity drive to include folks from Florida and not just Texas. \ In case I haven't mentioned it I made a charity for getting guitars back in the hands of players in Texas who lost their gear in the flood. http://www.texasmusiciansfund.com I"m going to include Florida as well as soon as this all settles down. There are going to be a LOT of people who lose all of their gear as a result of this storm. Todd Ok Todd - fingers crossed the storm won't take away power for too long from you..! |
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Sep 11 2017, 07:06 PM |
Here is some food for thought concerning where we are in the study of the weather and climate change from the IPCC. It addresses the further work that is needed to understand our changing climate.
Here are some quotes from an executive summary. "The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible." "Address more completely patterns of long-term climate variability including the occurrence of extreme events. This topic arises both in model calculations and in the climate system. In simulations, the issue of climate drift within model calculations needs to be clarified better in part because it compounds the difficulty of distinguishing signal and noise. With respect to the long-term natural variability in the climate system per se, it is important to understand this variability and to expand the emerging capability of predicting patterns of organised variability such as El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO). This predictive capability is both a valuable test of model performance and a useful contribution in natural resource and economic management." Read the entire summary here. https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/501.htm It appears we actually have a long way to go before we can understand how and why the climate changes and politicizing the issue and every storm or natural disaster that comes along does not contribute in any way in my view. |
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Sep 12 2017, 02:06 AM |
Clearly it's a complex subject that will need to be studied in depth. There is no end in sight for the research itself as it's a dynamic system that is constantly changing. So yeah, it's hard to argue against the fact that more research is required. Endless research is actually required. However, we can say that warming oceans (no matter what the cause) are making tropical storms worse. It's just a simple fact that such storms feed on warm water. As the oceans continue to warm, the storms are going to continue to get worse.
We had Two Category 4 storms make landfall in one year. (actually within about a month) this has NEVER happened in all of our recorded history. The folks in texas and florid who are currently under water, can tell you all about the effect of overblown storms. Have we caused this? Probably. Is there anything we can do about it? Honestly, at this point, not much. We can't make every country including china stop doing the things that are contributing to the problem. We can try to lead by example, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon obviously. So we are left with warming seas and worsening storms every year with no end in sight. I'm currently WITHOUT POWER and using my cell phone as a hot spot just to make this post. I've NEVER seen wind gusts like I've seen in this storm in the state of Georgia and I"ve lived here most of my life. It ripped a huge tree apart right in front of my house from the sheer force of wind. We are no where near the actual storm. Just the tail end of end has caused blackouts and uprooted trees all over Georgia. It's really quite sad, that despite all of the evidence that points toward ourselves being the problem that we as a species can't come together and try to at least slow it down. It seems we are simply not capable of this so expect bigger storms. They are coming. Here is a vid of scientist Bill Nye (not a pundit, just a hard core scientist in conjunction with National Geographic, both sources are very hard to impune on any level imho) explaining what causes climate change and suggesting that the only real changes are the ones that we make ourselves. Are these personal changes enough to even slow what's happening? We don't really know. Still, at least he makes some suggestions that we can do on a personal level. Here is some food for thought concerning where we are in the study of the weather and climate change from the IPCC. It addresses the further work that is needed to understand our changing climate.
Here are some quotes from an executive summary. "The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible." "Address more completely patterns of long-term climate variability including the occurrence of extreme events. This topic arises both in model calculations and in the climate system. In simulations, the issue of climate drift within model calculations needs to be clarified better in part because it compounds the difficulty of distinguishing signal and noise. With respect to the long-term natural variability in the climate system per se, it is important to understand this variability and to expand the emerging capability of predicting patterns of organised variability such as El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO). This predictive capability is both a valuable test of model performance and a useful contribution in natural resource and economic management." Read the entire summary here. https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/501.htm It appears we actually have a long way to go before we can understand how and why the climate changes and politicizing the issue and every storm or natural disaster that comes along does not contribute in any way in my view. This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Sep 12 2017, 02:14 AM |
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Sep 14 2017, 08:16 PM |
Here is a great article from SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN (not a pundit blog, but a publication with a long and respected history). It's an article on the connection between these Super Storms and Climate change. The connection is far more real than many folks want to acknowledge or admit. Truth is that 70 percent of green house gas emissions come from about 100 companies including folks like Exxon. They have spent billions to create a counter narrative and brainwash a huge swath of folks. As a result, between them and China/India, the problem is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better IMHO.
What We Know about the Climate Change–Hurricane Connection Some links are indisputable; others are more subtle, but the science is improving all the time https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observ...ane-connection/ Here is a quote from the article. We can connect climate change directly to past storms. "Furthermore, a warmer ocean surface means more moisture in the atmosphere. A fundamental rule of atmospheric thermodynamics known as the Clausius-Clapeyron equation indicates an increase of roughly 7 percent more moisture in the air for each degree Celsius of increase in sea surface temperature (SST). Global SSTs have risen now the better part of a degree C and conditions in which SSTs are several degrees C above normal are now more common as a result. Unusually warm SSTs contributed to the flooding power of both Hurricane Harvey and Hurricane Irene in 2011." This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Sep 14 2017, 08:19 PM |
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Sep 15 2017, 04:41 AM |
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
E. Summary for Atlantic Hurricanes and Global Warming In summary, neither our model projections for the 21st century nor our analyses of trends in Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm counts over the past 120+ yr support the notion that greenhouse gas-induced warming leads to large increases in either tropical storm or overall hurricane numbers in the Atlantic. One modeling study projects a large (~100%) increase in Atlantic category 4-5 hurricanes over the 21st century, but we estimate that this increase may not be detectable until the latter half of the century. Therefore, we conclude that despite statistical correlations between SST and Atlantic hurricane activity in recent decades, it is premature to conclude that human activity–and particularly greenhouse warming–has already caused a detectable change in Atlantic hurricane activity. (“Detectable” here means the change is large enough to be distinguishable from the variability due to natural causes.) However, human activity may have already caused some some changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observation limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate). We also conclude that it is likely that climate warming will cause hurricanes in the coming century to be more intense globally and to have higher rainfall rates than present-day hurricanes. In our view, there are better than even odds that the numbers of very intense (category 4 and 5) hurricanes will increase by a substantial fraction in some basins, while it is likely that the annual number of tropical storms globally will either decrease or remain essentially unchanged. These assessment statements are intended to apply to climate warming of the type projected for the 21st century by IPCC AR4 scenarios, such as A1B. The relatively conservative confidence levels attached to these projections, and the lack of a claim of detectable anthropogenic influence at this time contrasts with the situation for other climate metrics, such as global mean temperature. In the case of global mean surface temperature, the IPCC 5th Assessment Report (2013) presents a strong body of scientific evidence that most of the global warming observed over the past half century is very likely due to human-caused greenhouse gas emissions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We should keep in mind that the successful predictability of climate modelling used to come up with similar conclusions in the past have been dismal up to now and arguably 0%. We should also take note that none of the hurricane models for Irma were accurate in their predictions at say 5 days out or even 3 days out and although the results of the storm were bad that they did not live up to the forecasted predictions. This post has been edited by AK Rich: Sep 15 2017, 05:07 AM |
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