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> Aris's Composition & Technique Thread, for Gab's Army
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Hi Aris! Welcome back to the Army!

This thread is a follow up to this one. As you've asked by PM, we will focus on composition and technique.

Your favorite styles: punk rock, hardcore, grunge, garage - rock & Roll, garage-punk.


At first we will start building a 30' technique routine and analyize a few songs while I give you some basic theory knowledge that is important to start composing.

Could you please share 5 songs that you like a lot?

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Hi Aris, thanks!

The song structure is right. The key here is C#m so these are the notes from the scale:




There are some wrong chords in your transcription. For example, the intro is C#5 and F#5, not G. There are some other issues but you most of the chords are right.

From this analysis, we can get the type of structure, the fact that they are using a minor key, and you could incorporate in your vocabulary some of those progressions. The one used for the intro: I - IV, and the one used for the verse: I - VII - VI - VII.

Does this make sense?

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Hi Gabriel,

Yes, it makes sense.

I have a few questions though.

Did you derive the minor tonality from the transcrption or by ear and experience?
I can't tell the minor tonality from the transcrption, since most of the chords are power chords and the minor chords that I see are related to the iii & vi chords, which are also minor in a major progression.

What are the chord progressions for prechorus and chorus?
prechorus:
F#5 A5 Em AbSus

chorus:
Absus F#sus Esus B5

Are we still in the key of C#, In prechorus & chorus?

Also, in the prechorus and chorus I see Absus, Esus & F#sus.
a. Absus, confuses me since I don't find any flat notes in the circle of fifths for C#
b. Absus & Esus, F#sus are all suspended, but both minor and major chord progression theory only have the vii chord suspended.If I m not mistaken, the vii chord in this song would be Bsus. Is theory ment to to be broken here with the rest of the suspended chords?

Should I try to apply the derived chord progressions somehow? Eg. Try to write a tune maybe?

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QUOTE (Aris @ Feb 19 2019, 07:56 PM) *
Did you derive the minor tonality from the transcrption or by ear and experience?
I can't tell the minor tonality from the transcrption, since most of the chords are power chords and the minor chords that I see are related to the iii & vi chords, which are also minor in a major progression.



This type of punk rock songs are tricky to analyse because they are not composed thinking on tonalities, they are done by ear, in many cases by musicians that combine chords that sound good without any theory knowledge. The result is that they end up creating very rich and unexpected chord combinations that include an important use of a concept called "modal interchange" which is based on borrowing chords from parallel tonalities.

I say that this is minor only because the Iggy sings the minor third or C# in the melody. However, they also use C# major all the time. So they are switching from C# minor to C# major, or even C# mixolydian.

As I've explained previously, this is not something planned so it makes no sense to become very strict with the names or concepts here. The idea is to get the idea of the combination of chords and grades that they are using, and getting the feel that they generate.

Even when songs are played with 5th chords, it's very helpful to try the minor or major third over them to define by ear to get more information about the chord progression and possible concepts used.


Does it make sense?



QUOTE (Aris @ Feb 19 2019, 07:56 PM) *
What are the chord progressions for prechorus and chorus?
prechorus:
F#5 A5 Em AbSus

chorus:
Absus F#sus Esus B5



Pre chorus: F#5 A E Ab

chorus: C#5 - B5 - A5 - B5



QUOTE (Aris @ Feb 19 2019, 07:56 PM) *
Should I try to apply the derived chord progressions somehow? Eg. Try to write a tune maybe?


If you are already inspired, yes!! If not, we can get into another song.

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Hi Gabriel,

Yes it makes sense, I see what you mean.
I ll have to try the minor third and major third over the song to see which one fits.

QUOTE
If you are already inspired, yes!! If not, we can get into another song.


Perhaps I could experiment around with those progressions, while We do another song to get more ideas.
Which one do you suggest?

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- Gabriel Leopardi   Aris's Composition & Technique Thread   Feb 11 2019, 06:11 PM
- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, I mostly prefer the faster/louder stu...   Feb 12 2019, 12:35 PM
- - Gabriel Leopardi   Excellent! Let's start! These are tw...   Feb 12 2019, 03:53 PM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, Thanks a lot! I am starting toni...   Feb 13 2019, 10:39 AM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   TECHNIQUE ROUTINE 1: https://www.guitarmasterclas...   Feb 13 2019, 03:19 PM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, The theory articles are very clear an...   Feb 14 2019, 09:50 PM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   Hi mate, which song are you analysing?   Feb 15 2019, 04:04 PM
|- - Aris   QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 15 2019, 03...   Feb 17 2019, 08:40 PM
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|- - Gabriel Leopardi   QUOTE (Aris @ Feb 22 2019, 07:43 PM) Hi G...   Feb 23 2019, 06:54 PM
|- - Aris   Ok, I m thinking one of the below or both Which ...   Feb 23 2019, 10:25 PM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   Hi Aris! Both songs are great and like ...   Feb 24 2019, 05:11 PM
|- - Aris   Great, It crossed my mind too, that maybe I shou...   Feb 25 2019, 12:14 PM
|- - Gabriel Leopardi   QUOTE (Aris @ Feb 25 2019, 08:14 AM) Grea...   Feb 25 2019, 03:35 PM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, It took me a while to decompose the s...   Mar 14 2019, 01:03 AM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   Hi mate! Great job with the chords and the st...   Mar 16 2019, 01:49 AM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, I 've written down the chord prog...   Mar 25 2019, 09:01 PM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   Hi Aris, great job here!! For transcripti...   Mar 27 2019, 03:27 AM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, I do use Guitar Pro. Maybe I should ...   Mar 27 2019, 05:44 PM
|- - Gabriel Leopardi   QUOTE (Aris @ Mar 27 2019, 01:44 PM) Hi G...   Mar 27 2019, 06:40 PM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, I tried to apply the suggested tricks...   Apr 22 2019, 02:36 PM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   Hi Aris!! Great job here!! This is...   Apr 24 2019, 06:25 PM
|- - Aris   Thanks Gabriel, I 'll try my best but it may ...   Apr 30 2019, 08:58 PM
||- - Gabriel Leopardi   QUOTE (Aris @ Apr 30 2019, 04:58 PM) Than...   May 1 2019, 04:51 AM
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|- - Aris   QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 24 2019, 05...   Jun 24 2019, 09:26 PM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   Well, I usually work on many songs at the some tim...   Jun 25 2019, 03:32 PM
|- - Aris   Thanks a lot Gabriel. It felt very embarassing fo...   Jun 25 2019, 09:26 PM
|- - Gabriel Leopardi   QUOTE (Aris @ Jun 25 2019, 05:26 PM) Than...   Jun 26 2019, 04:13 PM
|- - Aris   Hi Gabriel, While I am still experimenting with t...   Jul 1 2019, 10:14 PM
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