Frank Gambale Talks About Modes...
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Sep 24 2021, 07:19 PM
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Just now ran across this for some reason? Thanks for the share smile.gif I'm a fan of Gambale's playing and back in the day he was a very big guy on the shred scene even though he didn't really do shred, more jazzy stuff. He's just an amazing player imho.

Here is a troy grady video about Franks technique.


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That's very interesting, thanks for sharing, I kinda know what modes are but I don't understand how to use them.

For instance, just using the white keys on piano (C major / A minor) I can't see how to get different feelings or musical essences/flavours by starting from a different note, maybe it's just my ears.

I do find it fascinating though, Gambale is immense. cool.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 9 2021, 10:46 AM) *
That's very interesting, thanks for sharing, I kinda know what modes are but I don't understand how to use them.

For instance, just using the white keys on piano (C major / A minor) I can't see how to get different feelings or musical essences/flavours by starting from a different note, maybe it's just my ears.

I do find it fascinating though, Gambale is immense. cool.gif


For me, as Frank says, it should probably called "moods" and not "modes". That is one of the shortest and best explanations I've heard. Dorian is one mood, Lydian is a different one and so on. It's not just "starting from a different note" imo though, it's the whole combination of notes in the lead and backing track. If you're playing an A minor scale over a C major chord it's gonna sound like you're playing something "happy" still. However playing an A minor scale over an E minor chord will sound more "aggressive" (phrygian). Anyway, that's more my interpretation of the "moods".

I made this short example about 2 years back. Maybe not the best, but yeah:

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Oct 9 2021, 02:17 PM) *
For me, as Frank says, it should probably called "moods" and not "modes". That is one of the shortest and best explanations I've heard. Dorian is one mood, Lydian is a different one and so on. It's not just "starting from a different note" imo though, it's the whole combination of notes in the lead and backing track. If you're playing an A minor scale over a C major chord it's gonna sound like you're playing something "happy" still. However playing an A minor scale over an E minor chord will sound more "aggressive" (phrygian). Anyway, that's more my interpretation of the "moods".

I made this short example about 2 years back. Maybe not the best, but yeah:

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Here's Frank's Modes no More Mystery:




Whenever I listen to people talk theory like that No More Mystery video, it makes sense, then when I think about it later, I get confused. Maybe it's my ear, if I played only the white keys on a keyboard, I would know if I was playing one of the modes or a multitude of modes, I'd just play what sounded okay to me.

I really struggle with this kind of thing.

Thanks for trying though buddy cool.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 9 2021, 11:46 AM) *
That's very interesting, thanks for sharing, I kinda know what modes are but I don't understand how to use them.

For instance, just using the white keys on piano (C major / A minor) I can't see how to get different feelings or musical essences/flavours by starting from a different note, maybe it's just my ears.

I do find it fascinating though, Gambale is immense. cool.gif


It all depends on what the bass note or the chord is; if you have a piano, play and hold a low C note. While doing that, play any white key. You will be playing C Ionian.

If you play and hold a low B note, and then start hitting any white key on the piano, you'd be playing B Locrian.

But to really hear the difference between each of those, you should play and hold one note (i.e. A) and try playing different modes in A (i.e. A lydian, A Dorian etc.)

That's when you will listen how different modes are, and what kind of "mood" they give.

I hope I helped smile.gif

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QUOTE (Steve Gilfield @ Oct 9 2021, 05:22 PM) *
It all depends on what the bass note or the chord is; if you have a piano, play and hold a low C note. While doing that, play any white key. You will be playing C Ionian.

If you play and hold a low B note, and then start hitting any white key on the piano, you'd be playing B Locrian.

But to really hear the difference between each of those, you should play and hold one note (i.e. A) and try playing different modes in A (i.e. A lydian, A Dorian etc.)

That's when you will listen how different modes are, and what kind of "mood" they give.

I hope I helped smile.gif


Thanks Steve, one day there will be a light bulb moment hopefully smile.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 9 2021, 07:42 PM) *
Thanks Steve, one day there will be a light bulb moment hopefully smile.gif


I guess it's just diferent shades, If u have a simple C going on the background and play Eb then E, your will get two distincts shades of C.
Every note as its own flavour against a Root.

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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Oct 9 2021, 10:40 PM) *
I guess it's just diferent shades, If u have a simple C going on the background and play Eb then E, your will get two distincts shades of C.
Every note as its own flavour against a Root.


Thanks, I think I need to experiment in order to understand what you're saying wink.gif

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