Alternative Vs Economy
Chokehold
Jul 21 2009, 10:02 PM
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I have never before thought about the way I pick, and thought that what I did was alternative.
And a few days ago I sat down and looked at what I did. Of course it was Economy picking.

But I don't see why you would want to play Alternative picking, as Economy let's you move faster between the strings.

So is there a reason to why you would want to play Alternative, and what is good about it?

And same question about Economy Picking.

Need some answers. smile.gif

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Zeyth
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http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPicking.aspx

Anyone read that yet?


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And I can't see why this wouldn't work with the directional picking (things have many names laugh.gif) described in the article I've linked to. ( http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPicking.aspx )

Aside from that, please explain why "alternate sounds better"??

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QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 08:00 PM) *
Anyone read that yet?


And I can't see why this wouldn't work with the directional picking (things have many names laugh.gif) described in the article I've linked to. ( http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPicking.aspx )

Aside from that, please explain why "alternate sounds better"??


I have read it and I can tell you that this guy is retarded. Look at this sentence:

"However it takes a LONGER time to master alternate picking than it does directional picking due to excess movement that the technique requires. Moreover, it is not as ergonomically efficient thus increasing the risk of possible injury."

When I saw this I stopped reading. It is not true that it takes LONGER time neither that can cause an injury. The truth is that this guy learned to use economy picking and of course now it would take him ages to change to alternate. Where are the references in his story? He can't just talk from personal experience.

And about why alternate sounds better, I actually didn't say that. If you want to sound more agressive then you should go for alternate picking as every note has its own attack. If you economy pick a lick, it will sound softer and smoother. That's why jazz guys use it because it colors the sound different. When you make that double downstroke movement in economy picked lick, the second (sweeped) note won't have as much attack and therefore the connection between the two will be softer. Think about why very fast 5 or 6 string arpeggio sounds nice when you sweep it all from top to bottom like Yngwie does (especially on the neck pickup position). Imagine now if such arpeggio was alternate picked in that speed. It would sound nothing softer than a machine gun. That's why both techniques have their use in different situation. For the lick that I posted, AP is the right way to go as that one needs to be as agressive as possible. That lick just asks for that and it is very obvious that it sounds much tighter if you alternate pick it. Try it yourself if you don't trust me smile.gif

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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 09:21 PM) *
I have read it and I can tell you that this guy is retarded. Look at this sentence:

"However it takes a LONGER time to master alternate picking than it does directional picking due to excess movement that the technique requires. Moreover, it is not as ergonomically efficient thus increasing the risk of possible injury."

When I saw this I stopped reading. It is not true that it takes LONGER time neither that can cause an injury. The truth is that this guy learned to use economy picking and of course now it would take him ages to change to alternate. Where are the references in his story? He can't just talk from personal experience.

And about why alternate sounds better, I actually didn't say that. If you want to sound more agressive then you should go for alternate picking as every note has its own attack. If you economy pick a lick, it will sound softer and smoother. That's why jazz guys use it because it colors the sound different. When you make that double downstroke movement in economy picked lick, the second (sweeped) note won't have as much attack and therefore the connection between the two will be softer. Think about why very fast 5 or 6 string arpeggio sounds nice when you sweep it all from top to bottom like Yngwie does (especially on the neck pickup position). Imagine now if such arpeggio was alternate picked in that speed. It would sound nothing softer than a machine gun. That's why both techniques have their use in different situation. For the lick that I posted, AP is the right way to go as that one needs to be as agressive as possible. That lick just asks for that and it is very obvious that it sounds much tighter if you alternate pick it. Try it yourself if you don't trust me smile.gif


He states further down that he first used economy as a beginner, then changed to alternate when he got a guitar teacher, and has changed back after a long time using alternate picking, and than economy picking felt more natural than ever for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_fE0DkPuG4 << The author of the article, playing. Whee.

The injury he talks about is most likely injury from repeated motions, due to up,down,up,down,up, down, up, down biggrin.gif

On the other hand: More agressive? I just might change picking style biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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- Chokehold   Alternative Vs Economy   Jul 21 2009, 10:02 PM
- - Muris Varajic   Long time question. So, the thing is, alternate ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:10 PM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 21 2009, 11:10...   Jul 21 2009, 10:23 PM
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- - Emir Hot   I am personaly a fan of alternate picking but some...   Jul 21 2009, 10:19 PM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 21 2009, 11:19 PM) ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:25 PM
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- - Fingerspasm   I usually refrain from answering technical questio...   Jul 21 2009, 10:24 PM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Fingerspasm @ Jul 21 2009, 11:24 P...   Jul 21 2009, 11:58 PM
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- - Eat-Sleep-andJam   Same thing happened to me man. Do your 1-2-3-4 ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:32 PM
- - vampire18   just wanted to add that i had the exact same probl...   Jul 22 2009, 01:10 AM
|- - Muris Varajic   You might wanna try THIS lesson in as well, it sho...   Jul 22 2009, 01:29 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 01:29...   Jul 22 2009, 03:49 AM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 02:29...   Jul 22 2009, 03:23 PM
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- - Pedja Simovic   Emir and Muris are right! Both techniques hav...   Jul 22 2009, 11:53 AM
- - Zeyth   http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPi...   Jul 22 2009, 03:10 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 03:10 PM) As ...   Jul 22 2009, 06:14 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 07:14 PM) ...   Jul 22 2009, 07:32 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 07:32...   Jul 22 2009, 07:42 PM
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- - Chokehold   Just a quick question, how long will it take until...   Jul 22 2009, 07:43 PM
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- - lcsdds   Not trying to be a jerk Zeyth.....but I don't ...   Jul 22 2009, 09:02 PM
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|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 09:08 PM) Ah,...   Jul 22 2009, 09:14 PM
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- - Vasilije Vukmirovic   When you play economy, you always compromise sound...   Jul 23 2009, 07:12 PM
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- - Jose Mena   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 23 2009, 03:11 PM) Wh...   Jul 23 2009, 08:24 PM
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- - Ivan Zecic   Instead of discussing advantages and disadvantages...   Jul 23 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Jenbu   well I use alternate picking but, when im playing ...   Jul 24 2009, 10:10 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Jenbu @ Jul 24 2009, 11:10 PM) wel...   Jul 25 2009, 02:49 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 25 2009, 02:49...   Jul 25 2009, 05:00 AM
|- - Muris Varajic   I use it....when I use it.   Jul 25 2009, 07:35 AM
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- - Vasilije Vukmirovic   yeah, neoclassical metal uses tons of arpeggios so...   Jul 24 2009, 10:34 PM
- - Sami   I'm sorry to be totally off topic, but i read ...   Jul 24 2009, 11:02 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Sami @ Jul 24 2009, 11:02 PM) I...   Jul 25 2009, 10:44 PM
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- - Oxac   @ Zeyth. You need to be critical of your sources. ...   Jul 25 2009, 08:34 AM
- - Caelumamittendum   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7-zD2IQYTw - A ver...   Jul 26 2009, 12:04 PM
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- - Oxac   I think the guy missed that 2 downstrokes in a row...   Jul 26 2009, 01:04 PM
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