Picking Out A Mic For My Live Guitar, You tell me which one to get |
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May 3 2014, 10:31 PM
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Buy a fancy guitar . . . . check
Buy a kicking amp . . . . check Spend too much on boutique pedals . . . . check What's left to waste my money on? Oh yea, a mic! Kidding. But seriously, anyone out there bringing their own mics to gigs? In the studio I like mellower mics on my amps. Ribbons or Sennheiser 421 are always a good starting point for me. Not a big fan of a 57. (that presence bump is annoying to me and the top end is kinda trashy) But, we're talking about live here! I like the shape of the Sennheiser e609 (very discreet). Anything cool I should check out? Hmmm. . . .how am I just now discovering the e906! Got a presence switch. Into that. Thoughts? 
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May 5 2014, 02:11 PM
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906 is surely worth trying - espacially because 2 things:
1. It is really close to SM57 2. Built-in filters mightsave Your ear from "boom" and "hashhhhhh" Personally my favourite mic is Audio-technica ATM650 SM57 and similar have a boost starting around 4kHz, max boost at 5-6 kHz. When You move the mic off axis to loose the harshness, You loose a lot of " yumyyyy" high mids Audiotechnica ATM650 has a boost starting in high mids so when You move the mic a bit off axis, it really makes You able to reproduce the tone very close to what You hear. It also has more linear response in 400-600 range while SM57 has a cut at this range At the moment I have all 3 -SM57, E606 (same as 906 but without filters) and ATM650. Of course It's all about the individual preferences but...for me personally ATM has more juicy mids...unless You play metal it's rather and advantage  Here's a litle comparison a made for a friend lately SM57 vs Audio-Technica ATM650 (sm57 first) http://www66.zippyshare.com/v/1817393/file.html This post has been edited by Darius Wave: May 6 2014, 11:09 AM |
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May 5 2014, 06:03 PM
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You're saying a lot of stuff I like!
 Yea, it's the weird dips and annoying harsh thing that I don't like about 57s. I mean, I know that's what MAKES a 57 what it is and why it's so popular, but it bugs me. Yea the mids are FAT on that ATM650. I'm into it. What do you think about the e606? Worth hunting down? thanks for the input. QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 5 2014, 01:11 PM)  906 is surely worth trying - espacially because 2 things: 1. It is really close to SM57 2. Built-in filters mightsave Your ear from "boom" and "hashhhhhh" Personally my favourite mic is Audio-technica ATM650 SM57 and similar have a boost starting around 4kHz, max boost at 5-6 kHz. When You move the mic off axis to loose the harshness, You loose a lot of " yumyyyy" high mids Audiotechnica ATM650 has a boost starting in high mids so when You move the mic a bit off axis, it really makes You able to reproduce the tone very close to what You hear. It also has more linear response in 400-600 range while SM57 has a cut at this range At the moment I have all free -SM57, E606 (same as 906 but without filters) and ATM650. Of course It's all about the individual preferences but...for me personally ATM has more juicy mids...unless You play metal it's rather and advantage Here's a litle comparison a made for a friend lately SM57 vs Audio-Technica ATM650 (sm57 first) http://www66.zippyshare.com/v/1817393/file.html -------------------- Rock and Roll Lover. Vintage Ampeg collector. Soon to be new father.
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May 5 2014, 06:11 PM
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That mic is awesome
The 609 is just killer but usually folks will pair it with something beefier and use two mics, though not always Pairs nicely with an SM57 or even a 421.QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 3 2014, 05:31 PM) Buy a fancy guitar . . . . check Buy a kicking amp . . . . check Spend too much on boutique pedals . . . . check What's left to waste my money on? Oh yea, a mic! Kidding. But seriously, anyone out there bringing their own mics to gigs? In the studio I like mellower mics on my amps. Ribbons or Sennheiser 421 are always a good starting point for me. Not a big fan of a 57. (that presence bump is annoying to me and the top end is kinda trashy) But, we're talking about live here! I like the shape of the Sennheiser e609 (very discreet). Anything cool I should check out? Hmmm. . . .how am I just now discovering the e906! Got a presence switch. Into that. Thoughts? |
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May 5 2014, 06:41 PM
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The Shure is used a lot live arguably more because it's rugged than the sound. Quite a few live and recording engineers I know use a passive attenuator in line with the Shure as it helps remove the hash and also helps minimise intermodulation an ringing.
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May 6 2014, 11:46 PM
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I don't think I ever saw this on gigs (at least noticed it):
QUOTE But seriously, anyone out there bringing their own mics to gigs? Usually its the singers who bring their mic to the gigs, especially if they are group gigs. They don't want to share the germs with other vocalists I suppose and also it feels cooler to have something to bring as "gear" Man they have it so easy don't they? A mic + a possibly stand and cable and they are set Kidding aside, I always wondered how important are "details" in a typical gig situation. For example, my drummer would ask me which set to get. The cheap (but proven to be nice) mic set for the drums or some really expensive one. Considering gigs we do, I never felt it could be justified to get the expensive one. I mean - I have a feeling that most of "regular gigs" don't have overall equipment quality enough to bring out the details such as difference between really nice and excellent mics. There is noise from bad electricity, speakers are budget ones or old and beaten. There are hundreds of meters of who know what kind of quality cable. Mixer has pots that crack from the dust in them ...having this in mind - can you really hear the "full definition" of the sound to justify great "details gear"?I would say great amp and guitar, pedals setup do make the difference. But other, more subtle differences in details between (nice) mics, DI-boxes etc... can we really hear them? Back on the topic - I somehow never liked the SM57 tone alone in the studio. Often the satisfying tone was got by combining it with some other Mic, like vintage Neumann. I guess having two mics on the cab brings best of the both worlds but you can't really do such complex setup on the gig... -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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I'm rather a type of guy who can sacrifice his tone on stage to have good tone on front speakers but...I'm often disappointed anyway. If You spend a lot of time recording guitars and You know how Your rig sounds with particular mic in particular position then it's nothing bad to request to have it done same way on live gigs.
 
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