1st Attempt At Bridge Building |
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Nov 10 2016, 03:38 PM |
At least one journalist wants to build bridges. It's a start.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the...-election-2016/ |
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Nov 11 2016, 04:23 PM |
As it turns out, according to the exit polls, the percentage of voters with a college degree voting for either candidate was pretty even.
It certainly wasn't lopsided. I guess all that hard work trying to point to Trump supporters as uneducated turned out to be as bogus as the Presidential polling. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/pol...ion/exit-polls/ http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11...polls.html?_r=0 http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-p...ional/president |
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Nov 11 2016, 06:38 PM |
Sadly AKRICH, that is just factually wrong. From one of the links you provided, here is the actual number breakdown of voters. It was hugely lopsided in terms of White Men Without College Degrees voting for Trump. It is what it is. It's not an attack, or a condemnation. It just is what it is. It's the factual data on who voted for whom. That's all Yes, men without a college degree LOPSIDEDLY voted for trump. Here is a graphic from the link you shared. Just change WOMEN to MEN and you get the following. The Women were about even The MEN voting, were simply not.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/pol...ion/exit-polls/ Also, from PEW RESEARCH: The overall numbers for folks with/without degrees was the largest gap since 1980 in terms of who they voted for. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/...nder-education/ In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. Now that we have that sorted, I do still have a fond hope that the next 4 years see all boats rise, that this administration becomes one that embraces change, difference, tolerance, diversity, and pluralism. The election is over, the ballots are cast. All we can do now is hope for the best As it turns out, according to the exit polls, the percentage of voters with a college degree voting for either candidate was pretty even.
It certainly wasn't lopsided. I guess all that hard work trying to point to Trump supporters as uneducated turned out to be as bogus as the Presidential polling. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/pol...ion/exit-polls/ http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11...polls.html?_r=0 http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-p...ional/president This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Nov 11 2016, 06:59 PM |
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Nov 11 2016, 10:53 PM |
California is (and voted) overwhelmingly democratic. Even in Cali's bastion of conservatism - Orange County - they voted 'blue' for president, though retaining their Republican congressional reps. Having said that,
I know several Trump supporters that do not at all fit the uneducated white guy profile. Quite the opposite really. And I'm happy to say that we're all still friends (and that was never in question). Their particular motivation was mostly "throw the bums out" and another Clinton administration just looked to them like the same old, same old. I personally don't align with that but I get their POV. I can tell you this ... I am totally re-evaluating my ability to separate the seed from the chaff. I fell for all the media hype about the Dems having it in the bag. I got duped ... all by myself and I'm not gonna blame anyone or anything. The media is what the media is. I need to get smarter about how I view it. Mr. Trump did an AMAZING job of manipulating it and by extension - us. And I don't mean that in a pejorative way. After my initial shock and stun - I'm rather fascinated! Anyway, it's an election. There's always another one. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Nov 11 2016, 11:10 PM |
I fell for all the media hype about the Dems having it in the bag. I've seen a lot of people saying that, but with a few exceptions, I don't think the probabilities that were cited before the election were out of line with a Trump victory. fivethirtyeight.com predicted his chances of winning about the same as the cubs winning the series after game 5, and we know how that turned out . One thing worth noting: this makes six out of the past seven presidential elections where the democrats have won the popular vote. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Nov 12 2016, 03:50 AM |
Sadly AKRICH, that is just factually wrong. From one of the links you provided, here is the actual number breakdown of voters. It was hugely lopsided in terms of White Men Without College Degrees voting for Trump. It is what it is. It's not an attack, or a condemnation. It just is what it is. It's the factual data on who voted for whom. That's all Yes, men without a college degree LOPSIDEDLY voted for trump. Here is a graphic from the link you shared. Just change WOMEN to MEN and you get the following. The Women were about even The MEN voting, were simply not. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/pol...ion/exit-polls/ Also, from PEW RESEARCH: The overall numbers for folks with/without degrees was the largest gap since 1980 in terms of who they voted for. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/...nder-education/ In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. Now that we have that sorted, I do still have a fond hope that the next 4 years see all boats rise, that this administration becomes one that embraces change, difference, tolerance, diversity, and pluralism. The election is over, the ballots are cast. All we can do now is hope for the best My bad, I should have said college graduates, which was 45% for Trump and 49% for Clinton which is not lopsided at all. Then if you look at folks with some college/assoc. degree it is 52% Trump, 43% Clinton. And finally HS grads at 51% Trump 45% Clinton. Seems pretty even to me and again, a bit of a gap here but certainly not lopsided. Simply click the link and scroll down to Education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/pol...ion/exit-polls/ The NYT has it at 49% Trump to 45% Clinton for white college grads. Lopsided? I don't think so. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11...polls.html?_r=1 CNN has it at 45% Trump and 49% Clinton for college grads. http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-p...ional/president The point of FACT is that people considered EDUCATED voted pretty EVENLY for the most part between the two. This post has been edited by AK Rich: Nov 12 2016, 06:54 PM |
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Nov 12 2016, 07:45 PM |
Other than 'talk' early on, in reality, there won't be any bridge building or reaching across the aisle from either side. There never is except when it's a dire emergency.
Repubs won and for at least 2 years they control the house and senate. That's the way it works. Dems had all 3 branches from 2009 to 2011. *Fellow lefties ... I have a 7 year old at home. I don't want him to have a completely negative and soured the sky is falling kind of bullshit attitude about politics and government before he even gets to vote. Not freaking out at home in front of him, helps 'me' not freak out. Government is slow and heavy. Nothing agile and nimble about the process here in the states. This post has been edited by klasaine: Nov 12 2016, 07:49 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Nov 13 2016, 12:12 AM |
That would be my bad Just thinking out loud, but you are correct I'll clip that bit. Should have kept that as inner dialogue.
It's this kind of thing that concerns me about the new administration. Hearing lots of things about instances of increased racist actions all over the country. Even at our schools. It's very dissapointing that these horrible folks feel emboldened by the election. Living in "The South" all of my life and being a White Male, I have always walked among racists and heard what white guys say when they are alone with other white guys and assume everyone is "cool". I'm "un Cool" I guess, but I always listened. So I knew the level of racism that still lives here. It seems many folks were simply un aware. here is a disturbing story on CNN detailing some of the racist incidents happening all over the country. they just keep adding to this list. It's sickening. Not saying any Trump voter is racist, just sharing what some crazy racists are doing while some happen to be carrying various political posters. I'm sure there are racists in Hillary's camp too. They are everywhere. I see it all the time. However, they seem emboldened now, more than before. Much more. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-elec...linkId=31071976 And another similar story. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/11/09/r...ti-maple-grove/ I don't see a need to bring that up, he seems to be doing good in this thread. Perhaps it's a first building block?
I have to agree with crsn that the tone of the thread is not very bridge building, and I guess it might be a little too early for that anyway. I'll tweak the thread title! This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Nov 13 2016, 04:44 AM |
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Nov 13 2016, 02:12 PM |
There were as many or probably more racism moments against white people done by "other" after the election than the other way round.
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