Improving Recording Tone Quality With Vsts |
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Jan 28 2013, 06:26 AM
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Thank you Connor and Tod, I'll update you guys with a sample ASAP
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Jan 28 2013, 07:45 PM
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I've experimented a little, and got a good lead tone with Connor's tips
I noticed that I liked the sound of the mic at the very edge of the cone and nowhere else, polishes the tone a lot without making it harsh.Check it out! https://soundcloud.com/sam-ryan-stormrage/neoclassical |
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Jan 29 2013, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE (sammetal92 @ Jan 28 2013, 06:45 PM)  I've experimented a little, and got a good lead tone with Connor's tips I noticed that I liked the sound of the mic at the very edge of the cone and nowhere else, polishes the tone a lot without making it harsh.Check it out! https://soundcloud.com/sam-ryan-stormrage/neoclassical Sounds great buddy! Keep it up!! Another tip I wanted to throw in is to use an impulse closer to the middle of the speaker, as I suggested before, and then take your Low Pass filter (Remember, Low Pass mean THE LOWS PASS THROUGH, so we're really talking about the EQ that affects the highs) and pull it down a bit more to cut out more of the high end. You'll find a sweet spot where the harshness is gone, and it's really polished, but by using an impulse a bit further from the edge you'll get more "life" in the midrange and the lows. 
This post has been edited by ConnorGilks: Jan 29 2013, 06:04 AM |
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Jan 29 2013, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (sammetal92 @ Jan 28 2013, 03:45 PM) I've experimented a little, and got a good lead tone with Connor's tips I noticed that I liked the sound of the mic at the very edge of the cone and nowhere else, polishes the tone a lot without making it harsh.Check it out! https://soundcloud.com/sam-ryan-stormrage/neoclassical Wou Sam! You tone is improving everyday!! and let me say that Connor's posts are brilliant. Thanks for sharing all that info! Have you ever used a multi-band compressor for electric guitar? -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 30 2013, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Jan 29 2013, 10:56 PM) Compressors turn down the volume because that's their job, is to take the loud parts and make them quieter, and take the quiet parts and make them louder. When you use a compressor you need to compensate by raising the volume level again. It's all part of the process. They're great for every genre to make something sit better in the mix (more consistent volume throughout the whole song) and to make something pump a bit more as well (the attack is loud and uncompressed, then the compression kicks in after the initial attack to smooth it out, but still keeping it dynamic). Nicely put - in brief a compressor is normally used to suppress dynamic range and soetimes to limit the peak output of a track. They can however also be used artisitcally on an instrument or in a mix to, for instance, wave form shape, groove and so on. It's also worth remembering that every make/model of compressor has its own sound. A VCA comp is very different to an optical or a vari-mu and different VCAs (for instance) will all sound different. That's one reason why a pro mixing studio will have a number of different compressors in their racks. Often the best way of learning how to use a comp is to take one which only has very basic controls and play with it to see what it does and what the controls do. QUOTE Multi-band compressors are something I haven't messed with extensively... I do use a multi-band compressor if I feel there's some bass frequencies clashing and building up, so that instead of using an EQ to remove the build up of bass, I try to control it with a multi-band compressor. Be careful with multi/split bands as they can be a quick way to butcher a mix. At mixing you have the stems/tracks and you are almost always better of using a broadband compressor, with or without sidechaining. A lot of people think us mastering engineers use MBCs routinely on the main mix. Most of us hwever use them only very occassionally and for very specific reasons and with a great deal of care. I think last year I used ours less than 5% of the times I used any of our broadband mastering compressors. This post has been edited by tonymiro: Jan 30 2013, 11:28 AM -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jan 30 2013, 12:34 PM
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I suck at compressors but I posted a beginner's guide on my blog: http://www.osirisguitar.com/how-to-use-a-c...at-power-comes/
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Jan 30 2013, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 30 2013, 07:23 AM) Nicely put - in brief a compressor is normally used to suppress dynamic range and soetimes to limit the peak output of a track. They can however also be used artisitcally on an instrument or in a mix to, for instance, wave form shape, groove and so on. It's also worth remembering that every make/model of compressor has its own sound. A VCA comp is very different to an optical or a vari-mu and different VCAs (for instance) will all sound different. That's one reason why a pro mixing studio will have a number of different compressors in their racks. Often the best way of learning how to use a comp is to take one which only has very basic controls and play with it to see what it does and what the controls do. Be careful with multi/split bands as they can be a quick way to butcher a mix. At mixing you have the stems/tracks and you are almost always better of using a broadband compressor, with or without sidechaining. A lot of people think us mastering engineers use MBCs routinely on the main mix. Most of us hwever use them only very occassionally and for very specific reasons and with a great deal of care. I think last year I used ours less than 5% of the times I used any of our broadband mastering compressors. Tony is here! Thanks for clarifying mate. I'm really surprised of knowing that you are not using multiband compressor for mastering. I was one of those thinking that it was part of the routine.
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) to visually comprehend what's going on. Whenever you're doing this though, you should try to here it as well. A great way to develop your ear is having someone tell you what's happening or to see it visually, and then try to hear it. Sometimes it's easier to have someone point it out to you so you know what you're listening for.
I'll learn using compressors then |
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Jan 31 2013, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 30 2013, 12:58 PM) Tony is here! Thanks for clarifying mate. I'm really surprised of knowing that you are not using multiband compressor for mastering. I was one of those thinking that it was part of the routine.I do use a MBC/splitband very occassionally in mastering Gab. Just not very often. I think that I used ours probably in 10 sessions last year compared with using our main broadband comp several 100 times. I think that there's a bit of a myth that an MBC is a 'secret weapon' used by mastering engineers all the time. I've certainly seen a lot of software vst manufacturers say this. In my experience it's just not true as the majority of us tend to use (hgh quality) broadband compressors far, far more regularly. Ultimately though there isn't a routine set up that you always use as you choose what is most appropriate for the session. Having said that most sessions benefit from MP EQ and broadband compression. That's the reason why we keep several mastering eqs and compressors in our main mastering router chains and why they sit in the main racks whilst the MBC and other stuff is only brought in when needed. QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Jan 30 2013, 11:41 PM) ... I should also add that because sometimes it's hard to "hear" what a compressor is doing, .... so you know what you're listening for. Very true Conner. One of the things I suggest is that peope play with the comp on quite extreme ratio and threshold settings on different material and instruments so that they get to hear more clearly what that is doing. Once they get used to that then do the same with attack and release etc. IF you don't know what a comp 'sounds' like then you might not notice what subtle adjustments do. You have to get used to hearing what the comp does. In mastering most of the use of a comp by the way is subtle (fractional ratios etc), a lot of very good mixing comps are too heavy handed for what we do and mix monitors tend to lack sufficient detail for us to really be able to pull out sufficient detail to do the adjustments. One of the on-going issues with the use of MBCs in 'bedroom masters' is that they are used with too heavy a hand only to get more level. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Feb 6 2013, 04:22 PM
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I recommend using a BBE Sonic Maximizer plugin. It is basically a special compressor/limiter plugin, but it shapes the sound like magic. It is able to create a great sound from a mediocre input.
You can listen to the tone possibilites here, this is one of my improvisations using BBE Sonic Maximizer: http://soundcloud.com/jonas-tamas/melodic-guitar-improvisation |
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Feb 7 2013, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE (Jonas Tamas @ Feb 6 2013, 03:22 PM) I recommend using a BBE Sonic Maximizer plugin. It is basically a special compressor/limiter plugin, but it shapes the sound like magic. It is able to create a great sound from a mediocre input. You can listen to the tone possibilites here, this is one of my improvisations using BBE Sonic Maximizer: http://soundcloud.com/jonas-tamas/melodic-guitar-improvisation That sounds pretty cool, I'm gonna try it thanks! QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Feb 6 2013, 09:24 PM) Didn't mean to bug you, just liked seeing your progress and how quickly it was coming along! No noo you didn't bug me at all, sorry if I said it like that, university's bugging me 
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Feb 7 2013, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE (sammetal92 @ Feb 7 2013, 07:56 AM) That sounds pretty cool, I'm gonna try it thanks! You're welcome. If you need my tips and/or settings regarding BBE, just let me know. |
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