Timing Problems - Live Rehearsal |
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Timing Problems - Live Rehearsal |
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Sep 15 2014, 03:05 PM |
Everybody experiences that at some point.
There many things that could be going on. 1) You don't know it as well you think you do. 'Home' is a very comfortable environment, rehearsal isn't necessarily. 2) 90% to 95% perfect isn't perfect. 100% is perfect - with a metronome. You can't expect the rehearsal (or gig) to be 95% until you can nail it 100% every time at (comfortable) home. 3) Do you stand at rehearsal? Do you sit at home? 4) Is the rest of the band playing in perfect time all the time? *There are some things that maybe just don't work in the context of the live band that may need to be adjusted musically. This is all 'normal' stuff that everybody deals with. This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 15 2014, 03:06 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Sep 16 2014, 12:18 AM |
Hi friend! Welcome to Guitarmasterclass!!
This question is very cool and it's something that we discover once we start playing live with our bands. That's why I always say to my students that a band is like a second music school. There are lot s of things that you learn once you go to the practical moment of playing live with a band. A instructor can give you suggestions but you will really get into it once you start to experiment the real situation. You will discover secrets about guitar tone, technique, image, movements, attitude, things that work, things that not, groove, playing with other people, etc. Here you are talking about one of the first problems we affront when we start playing with a band live. We are not as comfortable over the stage in front of lots of people than playing sitting down at our bedroom. This is real, this happens and there is nothing to do with it. Maybe you wonder, what's the reason, and the answer is simple, you have a lot of experience playing sitting down at your bedroom and you don't have any experience playing standing up over stage, with a very loud amp, rounded by a noisy drummer, another noisy bassist, a restless, screamy singer and a very judging audience. The problem will dissapear with practice, with experience, the more you play live, the most comfortable you will feel but the question is what to do until that happens... ok, these are two tricks that can help: - Over practice the guitar parts until you can play it 110% perfect. You should be able to play the songs even while watching tv. - Practice in a situation similar to the live one: standing up, with a loud sounding amp, in front of your family or some friends, etc. - Talking about timing, if tapping with your foot doesn't look cool, use your head to mark the tempo and to feel it while you play the guitar solos, it really helps and it looks cooler. - Finally, play live a lot, until you feel the stage as comfortable as your bedroom but funny as hell! -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 16 2014, 02:15 PM
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To everyone who replied -- thanks very much! It might have seemed commonsense to some, but honestly I found your replies to be some of the most useful information I've gotten while playing guitar. I feel like I've got a better plan on how to move forward. Cheers!
Cosmin -- we've got a few songs myself and the other guitarist wrote and have rough mixdowns of posted at our site below. Endure and Cold Heart have solos I'm working for live, I had just comped the stuff together and/or recorded them in chunks: http://www.reverbnation.com/detchord |
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Sep 16 2014, 04:50 PM |
To everyone who replied -- thanks very much! It might have seemed commonsense to some, but honestly I found your replies to be some of the most useful information I've gotten while playing guitar. I feel like I've got a better plan on how to move forward. Cheers! The question(s) you have is the REAL question. How do you make it all work? Or, how come it isn't working? Learning to 'play' the licks and lines and chords, etc. is the easy part. It's putting it together to make music where the mystery and fascination reside. As Todd said specifically but the what the rest of us alluded to is that you gotta get those parts mondo perfect at home in your personal practice (and so does everyone else in the band) and then you come to rehearsal to practice how they're going to work together - the performance. *Sometimes stuff needs to get adjusted or even just discarded altogether. No crime in that. Sometimes $h1t don't work. That's apart of the process of writing music (finding what needs to be gotten rid of?). This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 16 2014, 04:51 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Sep 16 2014, 06:02 PM |
A few things that come to mind ~
I listened to the first track Beloved Empty and what youi're trying to pull off is not easy - first of all, the timing of your solo/riffs is on the heels of back-beats, and often times, you have entire bars with no drums that you have to meet up with in-time when the drummer comes back in. On an album, it's easy to do this because the drummer is recorded and there for consistent *every time* you record a section. Live, however, you both are listening to each other, and where drummers sometimes fall is listening too much and trying to compensate for where they think you will be, as opposed to trusting you will actually be there even if you have to drop a note to do so! Playing live is a trust relationship for a drummer, and as a guitarist you have to earn that trust. 1. From what I can tell, you aren't soloing to simple rhythms, and sometimes the rhythm is completely at rest while you go on, waiting to meet you at the next bar, which means you both have to practice together *alot* to gain trust such that he doesn't pause or speed up to where he thinks you will be if he fears you are ahead or behind. 2. Instead of practicing the entire song end-to-end, I would pull out sections to work on and "loop them" live, if you know what I mean, then add time before and after that live practice "loop". This stuff is not easy - it can be hours of practice together for every minute on stage, the more complex the rhythm, and fewer places in the song where things repeat. Chris -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Sep 17 2014, 08:14 AM |
To everyone who replied -- thanks very much! It might have seemed commonsense to some, but honestly I found your replies to be some of the most useful information I've gotten while playing guitar. I feel like I've got a better plan on how to move forward. Cheers! Cosmin -- we've got a few songs myself and the other guitarist wrote and have rough mixdowns of posted at our site below. Endure and Cold Heart have solos I'm working for live, I had just comped the stuff together and/or recorded them in chunks: http://www.reverbnation.com/detchord Hey mate I listened to a few songs - you guys sound tight! Good tones and playing and complex groovy rhythms. I am very curious to hear the solos recorded, so when you have the time, throw in a version my way - regardless of how rough it is I'm curious to see how you think in terms of lead playing and how you fare with the playing itself. We can work on further developing your skills in this direction if you are interested, so lemme know what your thoughts are, ok? |
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Sep 17 2014, 03:06 PM |
More instructive would be to actually hear the 'live' (rehearsal) version of those tunes.
-------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Sep 17 2014, 06:17 PM |
To everyone who replied -- thanks very much! It might have seemed commonsense to some, but honestly I found your replies to be some of the most useful information I've gotten while playing guitar. I feel like I've got a better plan on how to move forward. Cheers! Cosmin -- we've got a few songs myself and the other guitarist wrote and have rough mixdowns of posted at our site below. Endure and Cold Heart have solos I'm working for live, I had just comped the stuff together and/or recorded them in chunks: http://www.reverbnation.com/detchord yeah! as I said previously this is a normal thing that we have to deal with. I'm checking your tracks and let me say that it sounds very powerful and complex. You must need a lot of concentration to play this stuff live. Solos are also complex, fast and irregular. Riffing sounds adjusted, however guitar solos still have some room to sound cleaner based on the recordings that you shared. Have you noted it? -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 21 2014, 09:00 PM |
Hey mate - usually, to break out of something, you can try a few things such as:
- try to play some other styles from which you can later on borrow elements - learn different scales and modes which you can then implement in your songs - learn some songs which are going in the direction you like and see what you can take from them as well Anyway, I am running a mentoring program which you can find more about, here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...t=0&start=0 ... if you are interested, please let me know and we can begin working together |
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