Scarlett Rack Solution, Home Recording improvements |
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Scarlett Rack Solution, Home Recording improvements |
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Aug 21 2017, 02:54 PM |
So, a good friend and our vocalist is thinking about upgrading his basic "bed room studio" to a more advanced solution.
He is considering to buy a mic preamp for whole band recording as well as a new interface and some headphone preamp. As he digged his Scarlett USB interface, following models are considered: https://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_scarlet...i20_2nd_gen.htm https://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_scarlet...arlett_405402_9 Invests for power supply and headphone preamp are less high and not considered. How do you think will this improve over his current USB interface I think a scarlett 2i2. From what I know I would assume that preamps built in to USB interfaces are quite good nowadays, but our vocals recording really miss quality of the pure vocal signal. As the scarlett octopre is also not offering a tube preamp, there is only one major advantage which is the compression for each channel as well as the AD-/DA-transistor. Wouldnt the scarlett 18i20 as an audio interface serve similar purposes? I am not an expert, but I cannot find the difference why it would make sense to buy the scarlett octo as a preamp. Any thoughts? |
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Aug 21 2017, 06:23 PM |
Thanks, Mertay - so basically as I assumed.
https://www.thomann.de/de/art_tubeopto_8.ht...1&affid=181 How about such tube preamp? This should give a very different tone & atmosphere to vocals, doesn't it? And still suitable for electric guitar & drums? |
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Aug 21 2017, 06:28 PM |
You are spot on IMHO, for home recording, just the multi channel interface will do a very nice job. Also, putting preamps on each mic is a bit of overkill imho for home recording. To make the most out of money available, I'd say get a tube preamp and use it on the vocal tracks. But to be honest, you can get a very nice plugin that will do mostly the same thing and you can change the settings at any time and don't have to re record. That's the problem with a hardware chain IMHO, everything is "BURNED IN" when recording and you can't change it later, you have to re record.
So I can see getting more inputs, that's a nice unit after all But maybe skip the octo pre and buy a few vocal specific plugins. The one from Izotop comes to mine which simulates an entire tube vocal chain. https://www.izotope.com/en/products/mix/nectar.html Of course, some folks are "purists" which is fine, I'm just not one of them I'm a pragmatist which is why I like plugins. They allow you to get the same results in a mix and don't chain you to what's been recorded. You can always change the parameters at any time. That's my two cents Todd |
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Aug 21 2017, 06:59 PM |
Thanks, Mertay - so basically as I assumed. https://www.thomann.de/de/art_tubeopto_8.ht...1&affid=181 How about such tube preamp? This should give a very different tone & atmosphere to vocals, doesn't it? And still suitable for electric guitar & drums? Well, the problem is if the problem is with the mic. itself then a better preamp may not help. The other thing is the more high-end you go then characters of hardware gets more obvius...like, a tiny beginner marshall and Fender amp may not matter in tone as they both suck but the bigger Fender and Marshall amps will sound very different both in a good way. All mic. preamps are flat but the tiny saturation gives them character either warming the tone (like Neve) or giving presence (SSL). The differences appear more as you record more tracks with the preamps so side by side although they'll sound a bit different, the difference won't be as radical as using 2 different mic.s. Thats why my vote is more on the mic. side unless he's already using something nice? PS; with plug-ins, its easy to make something harsh sounding warmer but the opposite can be quite hard usually. |
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Aug 21 2017, 07:25 PM |
Good to know as we do not need a warmer sound. Harsh might be the right word if that is a property that is sth you want toachieve.
So he is using https://www.thomann.de/de/rode_nt1a_complet...1&affid=181 which is quite a decent mic at least according to all the reviews out there. What do you think? |
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Aug 21 2017, 07:36 PM |
Good to know as we do not need a warmer sound. Harsh might be the right word if that is a property that is sth you want toachieve. So he is using https://www.thomann.de/de/rode_nt1a_complet...1&affid=181 which is quite a decent mic at least according to all the reviews out there. What do you think? Cool, I have no worrys of the mic. now. Still just to be sure, could you upload a dry sample of his vocals? it might give me and friends here on what the vocal recording might want be it software, preamp or anything else. |
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Aug 21 2017, 08:35 PM |
Well, the problem is if the problem is with the mic. itself then a better preamp may not help. The other thing is the more high-end you go then characters of hardware gets more obvius...like, a tiny beginner marshall and Fender amp may not matter in tone as they both suck but the bigger Fender and Marshall amps will sound very different both in a good way. All mic. preamps are flat but the tiny saturation gives them character either warming the tone (like Neve) or giving presence (SSL). The differences appear more as you record more tracks with the preamps so side by side although they'll sound a bit different, the difference won't be as radical as using 2 different mic.s. Thats why my vote is more on the mic. side unless he's already using something nice? PS; with plug-ins, its easy to make something harsh sounding warmer but the opposite can be quite hard usually. https://soundcloud.com/tim-heger-962320112/vocalsample |
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Aug 21 2017, 10:47 PM |
There is definitely no FX at all. Yes, we recorded this in my large living room. Like 45 sqm, very uneven shape. Might this be an issue? Not sure if only but definitly an issue, unwanted reverberation can cause problems leading to muddy/low definition sounds. I never tried it myself but the affordable solution is to make DIY iso boxes, I'm sharing 1-2 pictures from web; https://www.google.com.tr/imgres?imgurl=htt...=mrc&uact=8 https://www.google.com.tr/imgres?imgurl=htt...=mrc&uact=8 Either making a box shape or a large square is really up to you. SE makes the best of these products (https://www.seelectronics.com/reflexion-filter-pro/) but try making one first as from the pic.s it shouldn't be hard or expensive. This post has been edited by Mertay: Aug 21 2017, 10:48 PM |
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Aug 22 2017, 06:44 AM |
We used: https://www.session.de/SE-ELECTRONICS-Refle...n-Filter-X.html
Which is of course not sealing top or bot, but I assume this should be sufficient for now? Maybe we just need another vocalist |
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Aug 22 2017, 09:01 AM |
We used: https://www.session.de/SE-ELECTRONICS-Refle...n-Filter-X.html Which is of course not sealing top or bot, but I assume this should be sufficient for now? Maybe we just need another vocalist Cool, then a room small enough not to create echo is needed, its a matter of experimenting in his free time. |
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Aug 25 2017, 01:38 PM |
Demo vocals at home. Find a local studio to do the final vocal takes in.
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Aug 26 2017, 01:38 PM
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That aside, as he has a 2i2 and if he wants a more pure vocal sound I'd assume a better mic. would make the most of the change for the money. I read all your links and products , IMO I agree about the mic ( mic being the weak point) , I would consider this the starting point if you want to get close http://www.guitarcenter.com/Sterling-Audio...r-Microphone.gc Its not something we like to hear , but there is a reason good mics are expensive This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Aug 26 2017, 01:40 PM |
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Aug 30 2017, 03:07 AM
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I was wondering if you could rent an expensive mic , just to record things , then at least you would know you have the best starting place
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