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Posted by: Wallimann Feb 15 2008, 04:55 AM
Wow!
This guy is impressive!
Do you think it's real or sped up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6XzzDDWOs&feature=related
Posted by: FretDancer69 Feb 15 2008, 05:11 AM
I think this one is the fastest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGjDdfT8Ppg&feature=related
Posted by: Zephyr Feb 15 2008, 05:28 AM
It's fast but... it's pretty much the worst guitar playing I've ever heard (the fast part, I mean, the rest sounds alright.) 
Posted by: Outlaw2112 Feb 15 2008, 05:35 AM
heres some fast pickin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Wbb8r8PUs&NR=1
Posted by: Iron King Feb 15 2008, 08:27 AM
well it sounded like crap but it was extremely fast...
that being said, everybody knows that the fastest guitarist alive is Skwisgaar Skwigelf
Posted by: Juan M. Valero Feb 15 2008, 08:41 AM
Those guys are really fast guitar players, but it's not the most important. I prefer having a good vibrato than being able to play 60 notes per second
Of course it's important have a good technique but not spend all time in technique 
Music is not gym
Posted by: wrk Feb 15 2008, 09:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Wbb8r8PUs&NR=1
Beside the fact that he is trying to do a world record, i think his invention to fuel is labtop with liquor is much more impressive ..
Posted by: Pavel Feb 15 2008, 10:08 AM
This "fastest" playing is all cool but can any of those guys play something that makes sense and sounds good? I doubt that...
Posted by: visi0n Feb 15 2008, 10:13 AM
Of course it's important have a good technique but not spend all time in technique
Music is not gymHaha Juan, 60 notes per second .. that would be very very very fast...
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 15 2008, 10:15 AM
I'd be happy if I could manage 6 notes per second
Posted by: FretDancer69 Feb 15 2008, 10:41 PM
Of course it's important have a good technique but not spend all time in technique
Music is not gymCouldnt agree more man.
Posted by: stratman33 Feb 15 2008, 10:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Wbb8r8PUs&NR=1
ya ive seen that before, pretty crazy
Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 15 2008, 10:50 PM
There becomes a point where something is fast to the point where all melody is lost and the notes blur, Michael Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley, John Petrucci, Jason Becker, are some of the few people i know who have approached the 35-40 nps thing.
What makes these players so great is that they can not only maintain these speeds, but keep a melody going.
Posted by: DeepRoots Feb 15 2008, 10:52 PM
i wonder if this one is sped up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28abpbNwZlU&feature=related
...... 
Im not sure if theres any point of that speed- tho john petrucci finds many uses for speed
- he plays way cleaner to, you can hear every note...this just sound like a blur
Posted by: botoxfox Feb 15 2008, 11:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28abpbNwZlU&feature=related
......
Im not sure if theres any point of that speed- tho john petrucci finds many uses for speed
- he plays way cleaner to, you can hear every note...this just sound like a blur
I can't believe I watched all of it. Sloppy as fook.
Posted by: Owen Feb 15 2008, 11:21 PM
Hey guys, I stole the audio from the youtube video and slowed this guy down in reaper to about half the rate he was at, I had to notch it up a few semitones to get the audio to shine through.
I wouldnt say he was doing 60 nps, it all seems a bit random to me, no like super defined pattern, theres a bit of an idea and stronger sound on the high strings, he's really quite fast but I'd also say sloppy, but I'll let you all have a listen and make your own minds up.
Posted by: MickeM Feb 15 2008, 11:37 PM
I trust the guy with the clock and the liquor just because he's got a clock... and liquor.
Posted by: bsamn Feb 16 2008, 12:19 AM
Posted by: fkalich Feb 16 2008, 01:01 AM
My first impression of him was "if I showed that to someone unfamiliar with shred, and said this guy was just making a joke video, he can't play guitar at all, I expect they would believe it".
I knew it was crap, I can tell easily, but just for kicks, I cleaned it up a bit (the hum) and slowed it down to 20% of his recorded speed.
I have two observations:
1) It is garbage, just listen. And yes, if you listen to someone really good like Gilbert or Batio slowed down, they still sound musical, clean. Even listen to Muris in his Gilbert 2 lesson, which is at 150bpm. Slowed down, you hear he is still precise with his note groups. This guy just is playing garbage, but it is like a V8 engine that has some screwed up cylinders. If you rev it fast enough, you can't hear the garbage distinctly anymore, it is going to fast.
2) Even then, if you listen, it does not sound very fast here. Now according to him it should be over 10 notes per second, which is like 150bpm 16th notes, which is pretty fast. But he sounds slow at 20%, much slower. Why? He is not hitting all those notes, just some of them, most he just passes over, only a fraction of them sound out.
What amazes me, is how anyone can be impressed with this. But I figure, the universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, and it is 15 billion years old, and heck, according to M theory there may be an infinite number of universes, so one has to figure in all that time and space, sentient beings can think quite a few things that I find hard to understand.
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 16 2008, 01:11 AM
+1 fkalich. Also as Warhol had it everyone now gets there 15 minutes. Everyone - regardless of ability, talent, effort 
.
'Come the day, come the hour
Come the power and the Glory...'
Sadly no longer - we all get our 15...
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 16 2008, 01:13 AM
+1 fkalich. Also as Warhol had it everyone now gets there 15 minutes. Everyone - regardless of ability, talent, effort .
'Come the day, come the hour
Come the power and the Glory...'
Sadly no longer - we all get our 15...
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 16 2008, 01:16 AM
+1 fkalich. Also as Warhol had it everyone now gets there 15 minutes. Everyone - regardless of ability, talent, effort .
'Come the day, come the hour
Come the power and the Glory...'
Sadly no longer - we all get our 15...
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: Owen Feb 16 2008, 01:23 AM
I knew it was crap, I can tell easily, but just for kicks, I cleaned it up a bit (the hum) and slowed it down to 20% of his recorded speed.
I have two observations:
1) It is garbage, just listen. And yes, if you listen to someone really good like Gilbert or Batio slowed down, they still sound musical, clean. Even listen to Muris in his Gilbert 2 lesson, which is at 150bpm. Slowed down, you hear he is still precise with his note groups. This guy just is playing garbage, but it is like a V8 engine that has some screwed up cylinders. If you rev it fast enough, you can't hear the garbage distinctly anymore, it is going to fast.
2) Even then, if you listen, it does not sound very fast here. Now according to him it should be over 10 notes per second, which is like 150bpm 16th notes, which is pretty fast. But he sounds slow at 20%, much slower. Why? He is not hitting all those notes, just some of them, most he just passes over, only a fraction of them sound out.
What amazes me, is how anyone can be impressed with this. But I figure, the universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, and it is 15 billion years old, and heck, according to M theory there may be an infinite number of universes, so one has to figure in all that time and space, sentient beings can think quite a few things that I find hard to understand.
Totally agree. Theres thousands of these guys, complete joke.
Congrats on the triple post Tony
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 16 2008, 01:31 AM
- sorry guys. I'm on a laptop - my excuse for the triple. Either that or it was so good I had to say it 3 times Owen .
Posted by: Muris Feb 16 2008, 01:35 AM
We had this before,many opinions I see.
Posted by: Muris Feb 16 2008, 01:36 AM
.Triple Recto!!
Posted by: shellshock1911 Feb 16 2008, 01:36 AM
Less jealousy please.
This guy is extremely fast and extremely clean. First of all, in the description it says "demostration." If you guys wanted to hear a melodic song why did you click on a thread that says "Fastest guitarist in the world?" It doesn't say "Melodic song," why? Because once again, this is just a mere demonstration. And speed doesn't define how good someone is but I think everyone can agree that it is a great tool to have and this guy has mastered it.
Just look at John Petrucci for example, he has made plenty of good solos and I don't think anyone can deny that. He also can play extremely fast. He uses speed as a tool to create good solos with. And listen to "Under a Glass Moon" solo. There is one part where the notes are pretty much a blur because they are like 25 notes per second, like you guys say he doesn't create note blurs. If you play fast enough, the notes will eat eachother, no matter how good you are.
Posted by: Owen Feb 16 2008, 01:49 AM
This guy is extremely fast and extremely clean. First of all, in the description it says "demostration." If you guys wanted to hear a melodic song why did you click on a thread that says "Fastest guitarist in the world?" It doesn't say "Melodic song," why? Because once again, this is just a mere demonstration. And speed doesn't define how good someone is but I think everyone can agree that it is a great tool to have and this guy has mastered it.
Just look at John Petrucci for example, he has made plenty of good solos and I don't think anyone can deny that. He also can play extremely fast. He uses speed as a tool to create good solos with. And listen to "Under a Glass Moon" solo. There is one part where the notes are pretty much a blur because they are like 25 notes per second, like you guys say he doesn't create note blurs. If you play fast enough, the notes will eat eachother, no matter how good you are.
I dont think there was any jealousy, me and Fkalich were just doing the rational thing in slowing the sound down to see if he was hitting all the notes, even if there is a blend at high speeds, upon slowing down there should still be articulation of the notes, take a look at Fkalich's mp3 file, you can hardly say that each of every 10nps is being hit.
Melody has only been mentioned once in this thread, by Uncreator, no-one was completely outing his lack of melody because as you say that is not what this video is about. No, it was about speed, and I think we can fairly say, with conclusive evidence, that there is a lot of lost notes, this guy is no master, he is just sloppy.
Posted by: Tjchep Feb 16 2008, 01:49 AM
Not trying to get flamed.. but.
Did you not hear the 20% slowed down version?
His hands are completely synced up but, at that speed the room for error is so small the no one can controll it, and he did not hit many notes.
Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 16 2008, 01:51 AM
Melody has only been mentioned once in this thread, by Uncreator, no-one was completely outing his lack of melody because as you say that is not what this video is about. No, it was about speed, and I think we can fairly say, with conclusive evidence, that there is a lot of lost notes, this guy is no master, he is just sloppy.
exactly. Well said. Im really sick of all these "guitarists" on youtube who think that speed and technique are everything. if it doesn't have feeling, a soul, then theres no point. all your doing is playing a guitar really fast with no emotion. that video was the equivalent of taking a crap really fast. its fast, and its crap.
Posted by: Muris Feb 16 2008, 01:57 AM
I can drive my car 200kmph...and probably hit the wall or a tree...guess I'm a speedy driver 
Really,I don't think that was fine "demonstration" of the speed,
pretty lot of "swallowed" notes,ok,that was damn fast so you can't control everything,
and that's why I say it was not the best way to demonstrate it,imho.
Posted by: Tjchep Feb 16 2008, 02:03 AM
Well.. What kinda car do you have man
Posted by: Muris Feb 16 2008, 02:19 AM
That's not important,what's important is that I can,but result won't be that great
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Feb 16 2008, 03:18 AM
Well, I have to hand it to anyone that can invoke M theory to explain why a messy player gets away with it ...
You, Bobo, and the night vision goggles certainly get my attention
BTW, what is your position on the use of the Anthropomorphic principle as a justification of multiple possible universes allowed for by String Theory?
Posted by: Wallimann Feb 16 2008, 03:22 AM
That's HILARIOUS! :-)
Posted by: shellshock1911 Feb 16 2008, 06:05 AM
What you meant to say was, "The music doesn't strike emotions in me."
Sound waves don't have emotion. The sound waves interract with you to create the "emotions."
You, like many others probably have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is. It is much more than just sadness. If it doesn't make you feel sad, then that doesn't mean the artist isn't conveying his emotions. For example, Dragonforce is usually picked on as being having emotionless guitarists. However every song I hear by them is extremely uplifting. Happiness is an emotion too!!! When I watch an extremely fast guitar player shred, I feel intimidated. There we go, another emotion.
Anyway music is subjective, no one can say who plays with emotion and who doesn't, because everyone does. There is no way to measure it. That is right. Shredders play with just much emotion as any other guitar player like Jimi Hendrix or David Gilmour; just in a different way.
Once again, it is ALL subjective. It isn't as simple as:
Music you like= emotion.
Music you don't like= no emotion.
And technique is a huge part of guitar playing. Good luck getting your emotions across when your technique causes the music to sound like total crap. The emotion you will be conveying is frustration.
And speed, while not the most important part of music, is still a great tool to have in soloing.
Posted by: FretDancer69 Feb 16 2008, 06:16 AM
i know, he's a real SWEEP MASTA
Posted by: fkalich Feb 16 2008, 07:11 AM
Melody has only been mentioned once in this thread, by Uncreator, no-one was completely outing his lack of melody because as you say that is not what this video is about. No, it was about speed, and I think we can fairly say, with conclusive evidence, that there is a lot of lost notes, this guy is no master, he is just sloppy.
I definitely did not feel jealousy here. Maybe he was drunk. That would explain things.
Posted by: mattacuk Feb 16 2008, 10:02 AM
Good point !! I mean , its unlikely this guy is every going to be in a famou band !
hes just gunna be some guy on youtube (like me )
Posted by: Muris Feb 16 2008, 11:25 AM
hes just gunna be some guy on youtube (like me )
Posted by: Muris Feb 16 2008, 11:26 AM
I haven't seen sweeps there,only pure alternate machine gun.
Posted by: FretDancer69 Feb 16 2008, 04:45 PM
Hmm that AP sounds like some sweeping arpeggios!! He's Out of this world!!
Posted by: DeepRoots Feb 16 2008, 04:58 PM
Im jealous of the 10,000 note per second guy not the first guy posted-
sheesh its simple maths people...
10,000 = more than 60
Plus that was some killer hair
Posted by: FretDancer69 Feb 16 2008, 05:04 PM
sheesh its simple maths people...
10,000 = more than 60
Plus that was some killer hair
yeah, he should do a Betcha Cant Play this video
:lol
Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 19 2008, 06:41 PM
Sound waves don't have emotion. The sound waves interract with you to create the "emotions."
You, like many others probably have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is. It is much more than just sadness. If it doesn't make you feel sad, then that doesn't mean the artist isn't conveying his emotions. For example, Dragonforce is usually picked on as being having emotionless guitarists. However every song I hear by them is extremely uplifting. Happiness is an emotion too!!! When I watch an extremely fast guitar player shred, I feel intimidated. There we go, another emotion.
Anyway music is subjective, no one can say who plays with emotion and who doesn't, because everyone does. There is no way to measure it. That is right. Shredders play with just much emotion as any other guitar player like Jimi Hendrix or David Gilmour; just in a different way.
Once again, it is ALL subjective. It isn't as simple as:
Music you like= emotion.
Music you don't like= no emotion.
And technique is a huge part of guitar playing. Good luck getting your emotions across when your technique causes the music to sound like total crap. The emotion you will be conveying is frustration.
And speed, while not the most important part of music, is still a great tool to have in soloing.
Thank you so much for telling me what i was actually trying to say! keep saying stuff like that and someones going to knock you off your high horse one of these days. also im so glad you see fit to judge me by saying i "have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is". thats a very ignorant thing to say. i can see you probably only respect guitarists that can play really fast, which is too bad. your missing out on alot of good music. you fail to understand music, all you seem to understand is the theory behind it. if you want to be a soulless robot shredder, be my guest.
Posted by: Muris Feb 19 2008, 06:52 PM
I think we should slow it don't a bit,
this isn't topic for arguing I'm sure,
lets keep it friendly and available to hear everybody's opinion,ok.
Posted by: Pavel Feb 19 2008, 08:12 PM
hes just gunna be some guy on youtube (like me )Isn't YouTube enough? If you look at it the other way around, YouTube is the biggest stage EVER
@Fkalich: i love your "garbage" word - i'm still on the floor laughing
Posted by: shellshock1911 Feb 20 2008, 04:43 AM
I was just telling you that no one person can judge if music has emotion or not. It is all up for debate. However, technical skill is not up for debate. And yes I respect people who dedicated thousands of hours out of their time to play fast and clean? You don't have to enjoy it, but do you not respect them at least? Anyone who has more experience on guitar than me I respect. And I listen to pretty much every genre of music from classical to shredding to metal to jazz to whatever, so I'm not really missing out on anything at all, in fact I own albums from all three of the artists in your signature. I understand music very well. It is about me enjoying sounds. Sometimes I enjoy fast sounds, if you don't enjoy the same type, that is ok, because once again music is 100% subjective, but I enjoy it. And once again, speed is a great tool to use in soloing and doesn't not automatically discard emotion and make one "souless" like you seem to claim.
Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 20 2008, 04:42 PM
i NEVER claimed speed made ones playing soulless, secondly im done wasting my breath on you, you just dont understand what im saying.
Posted by: Pavel Feb 20 2008, 04:51 PM
That was smooth...and not to mention polite...
Ok, guys, take it easy and slow down. Blues players will never understand shredders as to them emotional playing is just 1 huge bend lasting for 45.5 minutes - at least that's the picture you painted in my mind.
If you don't like shredders than don't fight it - just skip the topic or at least state your opinion without making it into a fight.
Shake your hands and stop fighting
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 20 2008, 04:55 PM
Guitarman700 and Shellshock1911 - Guys you are rapidly moving/have moved rapidly from a friendly discussion in to an argument that is personalised. Keep your input civil and friendly guys - it really isn't one worth shouting at each other about. If you can not do that then your posts will be moderated.
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 20 2008, 05:14 PM
His arrogant responses have gotten him on my ignored user list. this "Argument" is over.
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 20 2008, 05:25 PM
Everybody knows Johnny Cash is the fastest guitarist
Posted by: MickeM Feb 20 2008, 06:16 PM
fastCrapSlowedDown sound like one of these joke playing videos you'd find on youtube. No wonder he used a crappy webcams' bad mike to cover it up.I listened for a whole 3:05 (I wonder why though) - I could listen to it all day, if I was deaf or dead.
EDIT: Strange that the slowed down version sound THAT bad, the original when hearing it sounds rather OK except for the hum and overall bad quality.
EDIT2: Maybe 20% was too much. Any chance of a hearing 50% speed mp3?
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