Rap Isn't Music And Kurt Cobain Can't Play Guitar., Please convince me! |
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Apr 19 2008, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Apr 19 2008, 04:16 AM)  Kurt Cobain was awesome and a genious. His songwriting in my opinion was some of the best ever. Without Nirvana I wouldn't be playing guitar or listening to music as it was them that got me into music when I was really young  +1 And as Rap is concerned. Its for the most part dead today, with some exceptions. There is no real poetry in it anymore. When Tupac was alive-was when Rap was at its prime. When Tupac died, Rap died with-it. Rap is basically poetry, tuned and modified so the people can relate to it. When Modern Rap came along- It spoke to the people in a different way, a way that wasnt exactly relating to them anymore. Well actually it might have been, but maybe for the wrong reasons. If you dont like Rap, try some real rap, rap from the heart, try some Tupac- I can gurantee if you listen to this whole song youll have a different view on Rap. Tupac ft. Sir Elton John- Ghetto Gospel Tupac-Changes Tupac-Dear Mamma This post has been edited by Eat-Sleep-andJam: Apr 19 2008, 03:00 PM -------------------- Join Me On the Lyrics Board !
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Apr 19 2008, 03:46 PM
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Apr 19 2008, 04:26 PM
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Interesting thread! For me Kurt Cobain was a great songwriter and just a punk rock guitar player. I think that he was a better singer than guitar player.
About Rap and Hip Hop: I discovered that when it's not mivxed with music I get bored when I listen to rap. I like Kid Rock and some thing of EMINEM beacuse they mix rap with nice rock/pop chorus. And that's why I also like RATM. Gabriel.- -------------------- My lessons
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Apr 19 2008, 08:33 PM
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Since important posts get lost in big topics I'll repost my resolution post (just as with music - cool conversations are always about tension and resolution, in my opinion!)
------------------------------ A little defence in case anyone should think I am against rap music or Cobain. One of my hip hop songs. (Not many real instruments but I still enjoyed it alot) My tribute to Kurt Cobain Kris |
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Apr 20 2008, 02:49 AM
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i agree with gabriel about kurt cobain, but i do believe rap is music if you find the good stuff
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Apr 20 2008, 03:44 AM
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Cobain is a great song writer but definitely not a legendary guitarist. (Even though he is the 12th best guitarist of all time according to Rolling Stone Rolling Stone Article) Hes like Tom Petty great music but not super hard guitar in it. But I get a kick out of how when Axl was with Guns and Roses he asked him to open for them, but Cobain claimed that they were just a bunch of untalented musicians.
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Apr 20 2008, 06:57 AM
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Kurt Cobain was a mastermind when it came to making brilliant songs out of the simplest guitarbits.
And having Dave Grohl on drums really gave these simple guitars a huge push. As for rap.. i like Weird Al's rapsongs I thought your rap song was kinda catchy too, Kris I take it your not the one singing? .. If so, then i'm hugely impressed with your norwegian 
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Apr 20 2008, 08:14 AM
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Reggae music is definetly worth listening to....Bob Marley,....reggae went on to spawn great bands such as the slackers, less than jake, Mad Caddies, anything SKA!
 and WHO can deny music so chilled, and so happy? It's awesome stuff, imho. Rap used to be music. Heiruspecs, Sage Francis...etc... check out this song, remix of Sage Francis mixed with Dashboard Confessionals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGiJ8XxmtWU This kind of rap, I can definetly listen to....but Akon?, 50 Cent?, Notorious B.I.G?, Fat Joe? Fabricated wannabees. Rap is going through the fabrication stage. Just like Pop, and Punk rock did only a few years ago...remember when punk rock was awesome? When Blink-182 and Greenday and Sum 41 were new?...what happened? Record labels saw a fad coming, and COMPLETELY exploited these bands...when they started losing hype, new bands were needed and what came out was half-hearted, crappy, typical teenage "rawk" anthems like Avril, McFly, Busted....meh. Right now, Rap sucks...it is fabricated and over-produced...it sells, it makes money, and that's all there is to it at the moment. Rap could be good...just not now. As for Kurt...he's a legend in my book, just like the old Tom DeLonge
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Apr 20 2008, 11:04 AM
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I don't really differenciate between rap, pop, rock, metal, opera or whatever other genre, I differenciate between songs I like and songs I don't like. If a song has the power to catch me, in whatever way, then I couldn't care less if it is rap, rock or whatever else, then it is just a good song. Of course there are genres that I don't really like, which means there are not really a lot of songs in that genre that attract me, but still I don't really like to bash this whole genre. If you really explore a type of music I am sure that you will always be able to find some good artists, even in Rap
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Apr 20 2008, 01:35 PM
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^^^^^
 Thats the kind of thinking I can agree with - my premise is that the top 1% of ANY genre is worth listening to even if you don't like the rest - you will always learn something and probably like it if it is the very best that genre has to offer. For me, a problem is identifying that 1% without listening to all of it LIke Marucs, I will listen to any song if it inspires me in some way.Oh, and yes, I do have a Bob Marley album and listen to it occasionally, for me, he IS in that top 1% of Reggae, the rest however appeals to me less ... -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Apr 20 2008, 02:06 PM
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Rap Is Poetry made with a music background
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Apr 20 2008, 02:25 PM
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i think some rap is alright, a lot of new rappers are awful though.
i love these guys though, rap metal that works a lot better than limp bizcit. Stuck Mojo http://www.myspace.com/stuckinthemojo QUOTE (Chiruki @ Apr 20 2008, 01:06 PM) Rap Is Poetry made with a music background ..not many shakespeares around anymore. i love kris' hip hop, sounds pretty cool in norweigan. This post has been edited by at lights end: Apr 20 2008, 03:25 PM -------------------- “You have to go on and be crazy. Craziness is like heaven.” |
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Apr 21 2008, 10:01 AM
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I have listened to rap and grunge back in grade school/high school when it was decent music. Today rap does not exist in its original and pure form. The same goes for grunge - no differences between these two.
Another thing that is the same is the effect these two genres had on further development of music as we know it today, along side other genres. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Apr 21 2008, 10:02 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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