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Sep 25 2007, 08:29 PM
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No prob Eddie.
Lets try this way,imagine guitar without dots?? Hell on the earth.  Dots usually mark notes without sharp or flat,with few exceptions like notes F#,G#,C# and Bb. Yes,we can use them to find root note or any other degree of the scale but only after we memorize notes on every single string. From 12th fret is all the same,so we need to nail first 12 frets. Like everything else,this requires lots of practice. As I did practice a lot and nailed those frets,I don't need to look at the fretboard if I'm playing all over it without jumping,like connecting boxes etc. But if I wanna do JUMP,per example from 2nd fret to somewhere around 15th or 17th, without dots I'll probably miss first note. Practicing scales and watching the notes you're playing on specific dots will help you to memorize fretboard and places where dots are. After that you just KNOW that G# on B string is on 9th fret,where the dot is. How to find A on same string?Easy,just one fret above. Or how to find note F on A string?Easy,cause E and F# are on the 7th and 9th frets where dots are, so just hit in between and you have F note. Hope I cleared it a bit.
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Sep 25 2007, 08:32 PM
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I would say there is no deep and inner meaning to the dots for me, but they need to be there just as Muris says. If I play a riff I am subconsciously always orienting myself to the dots in the different positions I play so I can jump around and come back to where I was before.
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Sep 25 2007, 08:35 PM
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Andrew has the point,dots mostly help to orientate ourself.
And how could we be orientated if we haven't memorized fretboard still?
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Sep 25 2007, 08:43 PM
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Of course,dots are for visual aspect only.
As I'm wearing glasses,almost no use for me.  
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Sep 25 2007, 08:48 PM
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You're welcome Eddie,have a great time while learning it!
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Sep 25 2007, 08:59 PM
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You see,practicing scales and boxes is almost most important thing.
Cause everything else you play,tune,solo etc is based on some scale and box/boxes. So you're doing right job,popular or not!
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Sep 25 2007, 09:15 PM
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I dont think about them much, but they are helpful becuase I instantly know where 5th, 7th, 9th, 12th etc. fret are.
This post has been edited by Robin: Sep 25 2007, 09:17 PM |
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Oct 27 2007, 07:56 AM
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Dots are showing us some common frets like 3rd,5th,7th 12th etc.
And notes of scale aren't always on doted fret,depends of scale and string you use as well. Give me some example and will try to explain it better.
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Oct 27 2007, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE (muris @ Oct 27 2007, 12:56 AM)  Dots are showing us some common frets like 3rd,5th,7th 12th etc. And notes of scale aren't always on doted fret,depends of scale and string you use as well. Give me some example and will try to explain it better. Well the E minor scale (E aeolian) looks like this in the diagram: e| 12 14 15 b| 12 13 15 g| 11 12 14 d| 12 14 a| 12 14 15 e| 12 14 15 if I play those fret starting at the bottom E on the 12th fret, it sounds right until I get to the twelfth fret on the D string. To sound like a minor scale on the piano I would play 13 14 on the d string. Why is it different here. In the diagram (see https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/beginner-...ower-chords.htm for what I am looking at, it's the last diagram on the page before the forum posts) the dots are supposed to correspond to the notes on the scale, yet the scale does not sound like a regular minor scale to my ear. The same problem repeats as you continue to ascend but I can't figure out how to make it sound "right". Why does this sound different than when I would play a minor scale on the piano? Oh, and it also looks like we are talking about different dots. I mean the ones in diagrams, not the ones on the fretboard. I get that those are just for reference. Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong thread. I would have just posted right on the lesson thread if I could have figured out how! Thanks for your help in advance! This post has been edited by Random Guy: Oct 27 2007, 08:13 AM |
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Oct 27 2007, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (Random Guy @ Oct 27 2007, 02:10 AM) Well the E minor scale (E aeolian) looks like this in the diagram: e| 12 14 15 b| 12 13 15 g| 11 12 14 d| 12 14 a| 12 14 15 e| 12 14 15 if I play those fret starting at the bottom E on the 12th fret, it sounds right until I get to the twelfth fret on the D string. To sound like a minor scale on the piano I would play 13 14 on the d string. Why is it different here. In the diagram (see https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/beginner-...ower-chords.htm for what I am looking at, it's the last diagram on the page before the forum posts) the dots are supposed to correspond to the notes on the scale, yet the scale does not sound like a regular minor scale to my ear. The same problem repeats as you continue to ascend but I can't figure out how to make it sound "right". Why does this sound different than when I would play a minor scale on the piano? Oh, and it also looks like we are talking about different dots. I mean the ones in diagrams, not the ones on the fretboard. I get that those are just for reference. Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong thread. I would have just posted right on the lesson thread if I could have figured out how! Thanks for your help in advance! Make sure your guitar is correctly tuned? Off a tad and it will sound way off. Someone may have said that above also intonation could toss the sound out a bit too This post has been edited by leedbreak: Oct 27 2007, 08:27 AM -------------------- - leedbreak
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Oct 27 2007, 08:25 AM
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I have a trouble to see relation between piano and frets on guitar
Any how,the diagram you provided shows right frets for E minor scale,no doubt about it. If your guitar is tunes right than 12 fret on D string is note D and 14 fret is note E. 13 and 14 will give us D# and E which is ok for E harmonic minor scale. -------------------- Youtube
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Oct 27 2007, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (Random Guy @ Oct 27 2007, 03:10 PM) Well the E minor scale (E aeolian) looks like this in the diagram: e| 12 14 15 b| 12 13 15 g| 11 12 14 d| 12 14 a| 12 14 15 e| 12 14 15 if I play those fret starting at the bottom E on the 12th fret, it sounds right until I get to the twelfth fret on the D string. To sound like a minor scale on the piano I would play 13 14 on the d string. Why is it different here. In the diagram (see https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/beginner-...ower-chords.htm for what I am looking at, it's the last diagram on the page before the forum posts) the dots are supposed to correspond to the notes on the scale, yet the scale does not sound like a regular minor scale to my ear. The same problem repeats as you continue to ascend but I can't figure out how to make it sound "right". Why does this sound different than when I would play a minor scale on the piano? Oh, and it also looks like we are talking about different dots. I mean the ones in diagrams, not the ones on the fretboard. I get that those are just for reference. Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong thread. I would have just posted right on the lesson thread if I could have figured out how! Thanks for your help in advance! E Aeolian is also referred to as the Natural Minor scale. It has exactly the same key signature as its relative major. On piano students are first taught the Harmonic minor scale, which has a raised leading note(7th note of the scale) as you will encounter that scale in the piano repertoire more often. So the scale you learn on the piano and the E Aeolian are not quite the same though they both fall into the category of 'minor' scales. You play a D in the Aeolian and D# in the Harmonic. So if you exchange the 12 fret for the 13th fret you should hear the sound you are looking for and you will know another scale too! ( oh and swap 15 for 16 on the Bstring- or shift that note entirely to 11fret on the E string) HTH
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