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Posted by: Hexabuzz Mar 27 2014, 05:12 AM
Just curious as to personal preference -
How do you feel about guitars that have been artificially aged?
Would you want a "vintage" style instrument to be "NOS" (new, old stock, as if it had been put through a time machine from when it was made), "Closet Classic", as if it had been played a bit, years ago, then stored away, or "Heavy Relic" as if it has been played to hell and back?
I think they all have their own appeal, and just wanted to hear what others think...
Posted by: PosterBoy Mar 27 2014, 08:22 AM
I like relics that have been well done, like Danocaster does, not so keen on Nash and some of the Fender custom shop stuff that looks like a belt sander has been used, or with paint worn away in odd places.
It not only the look of course but that worn in feel that the guitar has.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Mar 27 2014, 10:31 AM
Just last evening I tried a custom shop re-issue 68 road worn Strat belonging to a friend of mine. He is a leftie so I couldn't enjoy much of that guitar, but it sure looks great! BTW, if you didn't know, I heard that they obtain the 'road wear' by dragging the guitar body from a car while driving.
Here's my friend and his axe:
Posted by: Davidian Mar 27 2014, 01:26 PM
I like relic'd guitars, as long as it's not over the top. It can look nice, and I wouldn't mind getting one.
If I'd dent/scratch one of my guitars (not relic'd), my heart would skip a few beats and I'd feel bad.
Would this be the same with these kind of guitars? 
Off topic: Cosmin, does your friend star in Mad Men? 
Posted by: klasaine Mar 27 2014, 02:18 PM
I find that most 'relics' are WAY over done and have very little to do with the actual wear patterns of an old, well played guitar. Most of them look like they've been dragged behind a car for a kilometer or two.
That being said I do have one very lightly relic'd axe. I made an exception for myself because historically this guitar has never existed as an actual Fender model. 
Posted by: Hexabuzz Mar 27 2014, 06:20 PM
my LsL has what they call a "light relic", where the neck is really untouched, but the body has a few dings and scratches, and the real nitro finished has checked and cracked, and I think it's beautiful. Even the bits of rust on the bridge and the screws is a nice touch, and it's only a few years old! I bought it used, and I think if I were to buy a new one to my tastes, I'd keep the aging on the body the same, but maybe just a bit more on the neck to feel more worn and played in, enough to make it feel like satin, and not just the lacquer finish.
In many ways, the idea of a guitar that already has its "first dings" makes it more appealing to truly play as it was intended - I've been guilty in the past of treating a new guitar too gently, being afraid of putting the first mark on it...
That being said, I agree with all that say it should be at least done with style and taste... So many look like they have not been aged as if by playing, but just hit on with hammers and sandpaper...
That being said I do have one very lightly relic'd axe. I made an exception for myself because historically this guitar has never existed as an actual Fender model.
I completely agree, and... Nice! Love the color!
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Mar 28 2014, 07:02 PM
If I'd dent/scratch one of my guitars (not relic'd), my heart would skip a few beats and I'd feel bad.
Would this be the same with these kind of guitars?
Off topic: Cosmin, does your friend star in Mad Men?
Not that I know of
He's actually one of the most esteemed romanian photographers and a great player as well!
Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 28 2014, 10:27 PM
Sorta like buying jeans with the holes already in them just to be fashionable IMHO, but then again, some folks enjoy being fashionable 
So to each his own.
How do you feel about guitars that have been artificially aged?
Would you want a "vintage" style instrument to be "NOS" (new, old stock, as if it had been put through a time machine from when it was made), "Closet Classic", as if it had been played a bit, years ago, then stored away, or "Heavy Relic" as if it has been played to hell and back?
I think they all have their own appeal, and just wanted to hear what others think...
Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 28 2014, 10:49 PM
Speaking of relic'd guitars, my american strat would probably be worth more if it was relic'd. Right now it has one huge dent which is very visible and which would decrease the value a lot, but if it was more road worn, I'm sure it would sell for more. Not that I'm contemplating selling as it is.
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Mar 28 2014, 11:02 PM
I like the look and idea of real relic'd guitars. But I really don't get the whole Fender Road Worn Series. They also make roadworn straps. The look on its own of a relic'd guitar is great but to me if it doesn't have the history to back it up - it just feels fake. Same as with some old objects (just in reverse), you don't really want to repaint or fix some stuff that has age on it - you just decrease the value of it. Guitar which was relic'd artificially is still a new guitar and to me the point of all those scratches and marks is to scream "history" behind every damage.
New guitar should look like a new guitar and get worn down with time, sweat and playing, not power tools
I just can't imagine myself putting one of my instruments through such a torture.
Posted by: klasaine Mar 28 2014, 11:18 PM
When you can 'tell' it's been relic'd ... then it's been done wrong.
The best relics just look like normal wear. By the time Fender started doing the road worn series the whole thing had gotten out of hand.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Mar 29 2014, 08:38 AM
I agree with Bogdan and Ken If it has a history behind it, it is precious and valuable but if it looks like that just because it was dragged behind a car... well, where's the whole beauty?
Plus, the roadworn straps - how about if it breaks down from the road wear You can get a stage worn instrument that fell out of place 
Posted by: Hexabuzz Mar 29 2014, 11:16 AM
We guitar players can be very strange...
We want a 1965 guitar to look like it's been to hell and back, but...
We'd want a 1965 Mustang restored to look like it just drove out of the factory, not with a million miles of driving!
Posted by: Spock Mar 29 2014, 01:23 PM
I look at a relic guitar as just another way of it having a personality that suits the individual. I would love to have one and thought about doing it to my silver PRS. It's just my style.
It's like the clothes I wear, I like camouflage pants, sweat shirts, old faded jeans with holes - I have never been comfortable dressed "nicely", and to me, a guitar looking faded and worn is just another extension of that. However, I like my house, office and car to be clean - and nice clean guitars too - but I guess I just feel more comfortable with something that it doesn't matter all that much if it gets another dent.
Here's a nice one - Zakk Wylde played this guitar on the back of a flatbed truck in a music store parking lot here about 20-25 years ago - and ever since then, I have loved the idea of a beat to hell looking guitar...
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Mar 30 2014, 08:02 PM
It's like the clothes I wear, I like camouflage pants, sweat shirts, old faded jeans with holes - I have never been comfortable dressed "nicely", and to me, a guitar looking faded and worn is just another extension of that. However, I like my house, office and car to be clean - and nice clean guitars too - but I guess I just feel more comfortable with something that it doesn't matter all that much if it gets another dent.
Here's a nice one - Zakk Wylde played this guitar on the back of a flatbed truck in a music store parking lot here about 20-25 years ago - and ever since then, I have loved the idea of a beat to hell looking guitar...
Hehe! I know this one
I have seen it before with Zakk! Somehow, I don't think that a PRS could look good as a relic It's simply beautiful the way it is, so, I would go as far as to say it's not worth killing yours
Posted by: Spock Mar 31 2014, 10:08 AM
True, I decided against it. It's a little worn anyway and it's fine. PRS isn't really that old of a guitar company, so it wouldn't make sense to really relic one. If I did anything to mine, it would be to lightly sand the paint/finish off the back of the neck.
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Mar 31 2014, 10:15 AM
Good point!
We all know how the first dent on a brand new guitar feels bad, but after a few - we just stop worrying about it.
With a reliced guitar, we don't have to worry for further damage in the first place. I can clearly see that "piece of mind" and personal preference towards the look of such guitar being worth the process.
Posted by: Spock Apr 5 2014, 09:39 AM
Well, I have Good news and bad news.
The Good news is, I am relicing a Jackson Dinky!
The Bad News is - it was never my intention to relic it!
I wanted to strip the paint off and refinish it, because I found a Jackson finish that I love the look of and have wanted ever since I first saw it. I searched Google and could only find a couple of models, one in the UK, and another Europe somewhere. I actually called the UK store and the price was equivalent to $600 US. But I would have had to pay shipping and duty taxes. All together bringing the guitar up to $900 (my estimate) which was too much for a guitar which I was going to have to upgrade some hardware on.
So I purchased the cheap used Jackson and watched videos on refinishing a guitar. That's also when I considered Warmoth. Came to find out, that to build the body I wanted alone, would have cost $1,000 (without the EMG pickups - but Floyd Rose included) all together, after the luthier put it together, it would have been a $2,000 guitar.
So I pulled out the sander and heat gun and went to work on the black Jackson...
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It didn't take me long to realize this was not going to turn out the way I had dreamed. So my new plan is to make it look intentionally rough as hell. It could actually look pretty awesome - sort of like that Zakk Wylde LP posted earlier in this thread. Before I started sanding it though, I had a couple of people say they thought it looked awesome burned to a crisp, like the 2nd picture above.
ALL IS NOT LOST though.
Because, as I was looking for a Floyd Rose on Ebay located here in the states. I could not believe that I found the EXACT Jackson I had been looking for. I had searched Ebay numerous times, gone through pages and pages of Google searches - and there it was.
So I got it. Brand new - and it cost $450. Which is a lot less expensive than when it was originally being sold a few years ago - Jackson has stopped making this particular guitar - but you can still find it in clear color-coated versions.
So, I am on cloud 9 today - can not wait. I have a Floyd Rose original on delivery and EMG 81/85s.
Posted by: Caelumamittendum Apr 5 2014, 11:52 AM
The Good news is, I am relicing a Jackson Dinky!
The Bad News is - it was never my intention to relic it!
I wanted to strip the paint off and refinish it, because I found a Jackson finish that I love the look of and have wanted ever since I first saw it. I searched Google and could only find a couple of models, one in the UK, and another Europe somewhere. I actually called the UK store and the price was equivalent to $600 US. But I would have had to pay shipping and duty taxes. All together bringing the guitar up to $900 (my estimate) which was too much for a guitar which I was going to have to upgrade some hardware on.
So I purchased the cheap used Jackson and watched videos on refinishing a guitar. That's also when I considered Warmoth. Came to find out, that to build the body I wanted alone, would have cost $1,000 (without the EMG pickups - but Floyd Rose included) all together, after the luthier put it together, it would have been a $2,000 guitar.
So I pulled out the sander and heat gun and went to work on the black Jackson...
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It didn't take me long to realize this was not going to turn out the way I had dreamed. So my new plan is to make it look intentionally rough as hell. It could actually look pretty awesome - sort of like that Zakk Wylde LP posted earlier in this thread. Before I started sanding it though, I had a couple of people say they thought it looked awesome burned to a crisp, like the 2nd picture above.
ALL IS NOT LOST though.
Because, as I was looking for a Floyd Rose on Ebay located here in the states. I could not believe that I found the EXACT Jackson I had been looking for. I had searched Ebay numerous times, gone through pages and pages of Google searches - and there it was.
So I got it. Brand new - and it cost $450. Which is a lot less expensive than when it was originally being sold a few years ago - Jackson has stopped making this particular guitar - but you can still find it in clear color-coated versions.
So, I am on cloud 9 today - can not wait. I have a Floyd Rose original on delivery and EMG 81/85s.
Is it regular practice to use a heat gun? I remember stripping one of my old guitars of all paint and I just used a sander all the way.
Posted by: PosterBoy Apr 5 2014, 12:10 PM
Heat gun is used quite a lot BUT the trick is to keep it moving and not leaving it in one place for too long!
Posted by: Caelumamittendum Apr 5 2014, 12:15 PM
Might have made my job a lot easier, but on the other hand I got it very smooth by doing it all with a sander.
Posted by: Spock Apr 5 2014, 01:38 PM
I couldn't get it off with a sander and the heat gun has been LABOR. That coating is so thick, it's clear, then black, then some sort of yellowish shell under the black, and by the time you heat that yellow shell up enough to flake it, it starts to scorch the wood (for me - first time ever doing this sort of thing). But the sander has worked great at getting most of the scorch out. Also, the sides don't seem to have the thick coating that the front has. So I'll work on sides and back this weekend.
The only thing I'm going to do to the neck is sand the clear finish off the back.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Apr 5 2014, 05:03 PM
Wow man - so you are doing this on your own! Amazing I would never have the guts to start such a project on my own, out of sheer fear of ruining the axe It is clearly not your first project, right?
Posted by: Spock Apr 5 2014, 08:14 PM
No, you misunderstand - I have totally ruined that Jackson. But I'm hoping the ruined look will turn out looking cool.
The other Jackson I just purchased yesterday. Before I started this project, that was the look I hoped to be able to achieve but I ended up achieving a mangled-charred mess. But I am excited about my new Jackson. I'm going to hot-rod it (not me - a professional), with a Floyd Rose original, also got the 37mm fat block for the Floyd Rose, and new set of Zakk Wylde EMDs.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 6 2014, 12:16 AM
EGAD!!! There's "relic'd and then there's "DESTROYED"
Thankfully, those particular jacksons are pretty dissapointing guitars in general so you haven't lost much I bought one a few years back and returned it the next day.
On a positive note, looks like you found the guitar you wanted on ebay!! Here's to hoping it's a killer axe. It's always a crap shoot on ebay. Record something for us once it comes in!
The Good news is, I am relicing a Jackson Dinky!
The Bad News is - it was never my intention to relic it!
I wanted to strip the paint off and refinish it, because I found a Jackson finish that I love the look of and have wanted ever since I first saw it. I searched Google and could only find a couple of models, one in the UK, and another Europe somewhere. I actually called the UK store and the price was equivalent to $600 US. But I would have had to pay shipping and duty taxes. All together bringing the guitar up to $900 (my estimate) which was too much for a guitar which I was going to have to upgrade some hardware on.
So I purchased the cheap used Jackson and watched videos on refinishing a guitar. That's also when I considered Warmoth. Came to find out, that to build the body I wanted alone, would have cost $1,000 (without the EMG pickups - but Floyd Rose included) all together, after the luthier put it together, it would have been a $2,000 guitar.
So I pulled out the sander and heat gun and went to work on the black Jackson...
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It didn't take me long to realize this was not going to turn out the way I had dreamed. So my new plan is to make it look intentionally rough as hell. It could actually look pretty awesome - sort of like that Zakk Wylde LP posted earlier in this thread. Before I started sanding it though, I had a couple of people say they thought it looked awesome burned to a crisp, like the 2nd picture above.
ALL IS NOT LOST though.
Because, as I was looking for a Floyd Rose on Ebay located here in the states. I could not believe that I found the EXACT Jackson I had been looking for. I had searched Ebay numerous times, gone through pages and pages of Google searches - and there it was.
So I got it. Brand new - and it cost $450. Which is a lot less expensive than when it was originally being sold a few years ago - Jackson has stopped making this particular guitar - but you can still find it in clear color-coated versions.
So, I am on cloud 9 today - can not wait. I have a Floyd Rose original on delivery and EMG 81/85s.
Posted by: Spock Apr 6 2014, 12:43 AM
Thankfully, those particular jacksons are pretty dissapointing guitars in general so you haven't lost much
I bought one a few years back and returned it the next day.On a positive note, looks like you found the guitar you wanted on ebay!! Here's to hoping it's a killer axe. It's always a crap shoot on ebay. Record something for us once it comes in!
Indeed, I called the music store Biggs Music in New York, and talked to them about the guitar. The guy was super nice. He admitted the pickups were crap - the "Duncan Designed", but the guitar is beautiful and the neck is the classic Jackson soloist neck - just bolt on (Dinky). He said I would benefit from the added block weight, and the EMGs. It's a new guitar, never owned, and the pictures of it hanging in the store looked great - so I am more optimistic about this one, plus the reviews I've read. At least I know I like the look, the neck, and will love the pups and Floyd Rose.
The guitar I'm "relicing", at this point I'm going for this look...
Behold, my self-customized Jackson...
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Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Apr 6 2014, 06:25 PM
The other Jackson I just purchased yesterday. Before I started this project, that was the look I hoped to be able to achieve but I ended up achieving a mangled-charred mess. But I am excited about my new Jackson. I'm going to hot-rod it (not me - a professional), with a Floyd Rose original, also got the 37mm fat block for the Floyd Rose, and new set of Zakk Wylde EMDs.
Wow man
I understood you ruined it, but I thought it wasn't the first time you are doing the operations That's why I was asking - any project can go wrong, even for experienced people, right?
Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 6 2014, 07:20 PM
Sadly yeah, the duncan designed pups are sorta crap. With jacksons, the import models sometimes are not quite complete in terms of the fret work so you may need to take it in and have the frets leveled and maybe sanded if they stick out on the sides and dig in to your hand. It's a great looking top on that guitar! Great looking finish. With some better pickups and the floyd upgrade, should sound nice once you give it a fit and finish for whatever bits they didn't round out. But that's tru of nearly all the guitars in the low/mid price range as vendors continue to outsource and push up the numbers being made.
Even my GRAVE LTD which lists for 1200 bux had it's issues. The MOCKING BIRD I just bought and returned, lists for over a thousand as well and the low E would not intonate no matter what. Buying before playing is always a crap shoot but if the guitar is one you like, it's worth keeping and working on to make it spiff
The guitar I'm "relicing", at this point I'm going for this look...
Behold, my self-customized Jackson...
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Posted by: Spock Apr 7 2014, 01:19 AM
I'm Still Sandin', Yea Yea Yea....
And believing I can make this work. This is after the first round of sanding with 50 grit - ran out of sunlight. But it is turning out better than I thought it would yesterday...
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Posted by: SeeJay May 2 2014, 06:47 PM
There's a lot of great companies that make relic bodies and necks (MJT is a solid one). There is also some SUPER cool companies that will take your guitars and upgrade and do whatever kind of relic you want, which I think is really rad.
BUT
nothing compares to really having a guitar for years and beating the snot out of it.
Posted by: lothomer May 2 2014, 09:07 PM
We want a 1965 guitar to look like it's been to hell and back, but...
We'd want a 1965 Mustang restored to look like it just drove out of the factory, not with a million miles of driving!
That's the story behind it! Fender Guitar company suffered years ago, cause amount of sold guitars went down dramatically.
So they, kind of reinvented themself as guitar company, coming up with the idea of reliced guitars. The stupid part of that story is,
that you have to pay twice as much for a reliced (others call it distressed or damaged) guitar, than for a brand new one (one without scratches, dings and dongs). Imagine car industry will start selling reliced cars.... crazy idea. Grover Jackson of Gj2-Guitars (www.gj2guitars.com) said last year about his guitars: If you want to have a reliced Gj2 - buy a brand new one, play hell out of it for one or two years - there you have your own reliced guitar". Sad to say, but even Gj2 started now selling reliced guitars, as you can see on their webpage. So, it is just a big business behind. Guitarplayer tend to be funny kind of people.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 3 2014, 10:58 AM
BUT
nothing compares to really having a guitar for years and beating the snot out of it.
Indeed man
A relic is a relic, not only because of the looks but also and most importantly because of the stories of each scratch and dent So, as you say, nothing beats a real relic
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic May 7 2014, 12:04 AM
What do you guys think about the Road Worn straps :
http://www.fender.com/accessories/straps/fender-road-worn-strap-brown/
I must admit they do look cool to me (though I wouldn't mind the same one but "new")
Also, I can't help but think if they also "road worn" the strap holes so it makes it easier to kill your guitar if it slips 
What would be next, road worn picks where the tip is gone and grinded hehe
I have a feeling they might be taking the concept slightly too far - I can understand it for the guitar but going for accessories too...?
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 7 2014, 09:33 AM
http://www.fender.com/accessories/straps/fender-road-worn-strap-brown/
I must admit they do look cool to me (though I wouldn't mind the same one but "new")
Also, I can't help but think if they also "road worn" the strap holes so it makes it easier to kill your guitar if it slips
What would be next, road worn picks where the tip is gone and grinded hehe
I have a feeling they might be taking the concept slightly too far - I can understand it for the guitar but going for accessories too...?
My thought exactly!
I dropped a guitar from a strap not one but 2 times so far, because of the strap being too worn - none of that for me anymore, sir!
I want my straps to be sturdy as steel, so I think that it's best to protect your instrument, rather than make a fashion statement
Posted by: klasaine May 7 2014, 03:16 PM
The ends look 'new' as in not stretched out and it says reinforced stitching so it looks old but it's still a new strap.
That being said, a guitar strap can get pretty worn in looking pretty fast.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 8 2014, 08:53 AM
That being said, a guitar strap can get pretty worn in looking pretty fast.
Oh, I think I get it - it just 'looks' old
Posted by: klasaine May 8 2014, 04:15 PM
Exactly (and you pay extra for that).
One of the things that IMO makes over-relic'd guitars look fake is that the 'scars' are (usually) still wood sealed and lacquered over ... which is totally unrealistic. The other is the generally non-realistic wear patterns.
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 8 2014, 09:24 PM
I get a huge kick out of that I've seen guitars like that at shops. Where the "weathering" is under the high gloss finish. hehehehe.
One of the things that IMO makes over-relic'd guitars look fake is that the 'scars' are (usually) still wood sealed and lacquered over ... which is totally unrealistic. The other is the generally non-realistic wear patterns.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 9 2014, 08:39 AM
I'll just go for a normal finish and that's that for me Fair and square, I think.
It's a bit silly to pay extra for a thing like that
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 11 2014, 04:04 AM
Especially when it's obviously fake, E.g. the "relic" bits are under two inches of gloss. But again, to each his own, whatever folks wanna play/use/dig etc. is entirely up to them so I save go for it
Fair and square, I think.It's a bit silly to pay extra for a thing like that
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 11 2014, 01:01 PM
As you always say man - each to his own
Posted by: SeeJay May 12 2014, 04:33 PM
Well, there's obviously a big demographic for it if big companies and small boutique companies are really capitalizing on it.
I dig an older 'style' look to a guitar that might seem a bit faded, but a really obvious relic just looks odd to me.
Fender released the Joe Strummer signature tele, and it looks terrible. 
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 13 2014, 07:23 AM
I dig an older 'style' look to a guitar that might seem a bit faded, but a really obvious relic just looks odd to me.
Fender released the Joe Strummer signature tele, and it looks terrible.
Joe Strummer - the dude from Clash, right? I don't remember any of the Clash vids to have him playing a relic'd Tele tho.. might be I should wear some glasses
Posted by: klasaine May 13 2014, 07:58 AM
This is the Tele I think of when I think of Joe Strummer.
That Fender relic is an abomination.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 14 2014, 07:52 AM
That Fender relic is an abomination.
Alright - my bad! This makes A LOT of sense
Thanks for the share Ken!
Posted by: klasaine May 14 2014, 02:49 PM
I wasn't referring to what you were talking about Cosmin.
Just commenting on the Fender relic'd Joe Strummer guitar.
*I guarantee you Joe Strummer is turning over in his grave at the thought that a corporation (along with a plagiarist - Shepard Fairey) is using his name to sell beat up guitars. Unless the money is going to a charity(?).
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 15 2014, 09:00 AM
Just commenting on the Fender relic'd Joe Strummer guitar.
*I guarantee you Joe Strummer is turning over in his grave at the thought that a corporation (along with a plagiarist - Shepard Fairey) is using his name to sell beat up guitars. Unless the money is going to a charity(?).
He was a punk icon, of course he is rolling in his grave
Who's Shepard Fairey?
Posted by: SeeJay May 15 2014, 03:51 PM
yea that's not a 'relic' that's just beating your guitar up for years.
Yea I don't know WHO at fender thumbed up the strummer signature. SO bad looking.
Posted by: klasaine May 15 2014, 03:51 PM
Who's Shepard Fairey?
https://www.google.com/search?q=shepard+fairey&oq=shepard+fairey&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3910j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 16 2014, 02:14 PM
Heh, thanks Ken
I asked because I thought you might also have an interesting story on the guy
Posted by: klasaine May 16 2014, 04:38 PM
Here's the denouement ...
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/shephard-fairey-is-fined-and-sentenced-to-probation-in-hope-poster-case/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
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