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GMC Forum _ THEORY _ Counting And Playing Over Backing Tracks?

Posted by: SpawnSC Aug 27 2011, 06:19 AM

hello i'm new here and hope this question isn't to silly but i really need help with understanding this so i don't do it wrong.

When playing over backing tracks how do I count the beats with the track? do i count the snare? cymbals? ect.. I just don't understand backing tracks! sad.gif but I know how to play with a metronome. This is something so basic and easy but i'm so clueless on it. Hope you all can help me understand it more.

Posted by: Azzaboi Aug 27 2011, 08:13 AM

I would suggest moving yourself in slowly with a metronome drum like the software, Weird Metronome. It will at least play a drum beat/pattern for you to follow. I listen mostly to the bass/kick drum to keep the timing myself

So if the drumbeat is basic (4x4) bass, snare, snare, snare, bass, snare, snare, snare, etc. Personally like to count, 1 eh an ah, 2 eh an ah, 3 eh an ah, 4 eh an ah, in my head while picking. With the number landing on the bass/kick drum and the 'eh an ah' keeping the time of the snares. Practicing that slowly with your picking technique exercises. Once you got the hang of that, increase the speed slowly and remove the 'eh an ah' (as that might slow you down) so your just counting on the bass and the rest flows naturally in time at higher speeds. It will get to a speed where counting numbers might not even be possible anymore, but the sub-consisous rhythm stays the same.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Aug 27 2011, 01:02 PM

It depends what kind of backing do you have, but for simpler 4/4 backings, the kick is usually on the first beat in the bar. Start by saying "1" from the kick, and "2" on the snare, and so forth. If you are having problems, post the backing here that you want to count to, and I'll create small video response to help you go through it.

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 27 2011, 10:06 PM

HiHat should give you every beat, together with a bass drum ! I think before the start of each backing you have 4 bar clicks as an introduction .

Posted by: SpawnSC Aug 28 2011, 04:27 AM

thank you guys ill test these things out and let you all know how it goes.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 28 2011, 06:55 AM

You already received great feedback about this.. but I would like to add that you can ask whatever you need here... there aren't silly questions, be sure that we have done ourselves first and then to a more experimented player all the questions that you have... so feel free to ask everything! wink.gif

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Aug 30 2011, 12:10 PM

Usually you have to listen to the count-in a few times to understand it, with practice you will only need a couple of times. Listen to it and then when you've done it a few times you'll be ready to start at the right time.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 1 2011, 08:14 AM

Mate, it's all about understanding rhythmic subdivisions:

In the context of a 4/4 time signature, you count '1 2 3 4' each number being assigned to a beat which is a quarter note. Here's a little scheme which would help you understand how the bar can be subdivided.

As Sinisa said, imagine that the hi-hats can be counted usually using, quarter notes, eight notes or sixteenth notes.

So my advice would be - count the hi-hats in the backing tracks whil tapping your foot to the ground, trying to achieve a steady groove.

If you want to know more on drumming and playing/ writing using drums, come over at my v-chat session tonight at 8 PM London time!

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