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Sep 10 2014, 09:36 PM
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Hello all,
I have a Blackstar HT-1RH head running into a Blackstar 4x8 cab. I know I can go direct from the emulated output but I'd like to mic the cab. What's the most economical way to do this and get good sound reproduction? ie, what's the cheapest mic/stand that gives good results? Cheers Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Sep 10 2014, 09:38 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 10 2014, 11:05 PM
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There are cheaper ones, but this one is not expensive and it's the best mic you can get for electric guitars:
 All best tutorials are based on it: -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 11 2014, 04:15 AM
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Also it's never a bad idea to record the dry guitar into the DAW as well, so you can go back and re-amp it or even blend it with the mic'ed track
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Sep 11 2014, 08:08 AM
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Great suggestions from the guys - now, it all depends on what sort of a budget you have. The best experience I had so far, was with the Shure SM7b - for both vocal and guitar recording and this Sunday, I will try a Senheiser e609 which I currently procured from a friend.
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/mic...ocal-microphone - 350 bucks http://en-us.sennheiser.com/e-609-silver - this one is 139 bucks They are not the cheapest ones, but I thought it would be good to share stuff I have experienced
This post has been edited by Cosmin Lupu: Sep 11 2014, 08:08 AM |
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Sep 11 2014, 07:40 PM
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Thanks everyone,
good help there, I don't want to spend more than £100 so it looks like going for the Shure, I will ask friends who play and are in bands if they have a used one, it's only for recording my lessons at the moment. Those YouTube videos sound awful in this thread, they are extreeeemly distorted but in YouTube site they are fine. Any ideas? Cheers all Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Sep 11 2014, 07:42 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 11 2014, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 11 2014, 02:40 PM)  Thanks everyone, good help there, I don't want to spend more than £100 so it looks like going for the Shure, I will ask friends who play and are in bands if they have a used one, it's only for recording my lessons at the moment. Those YouTube videos sound awful in this thread, they are extreeeemly distorted but in YouTube site they are fine. Any ideas? Cheers all Phil I would also toss a Sennheiser e609 into this as well. As you wouldn't need a mic stand. You can just hang the mic from the top of the cabinet. Can't get distance as it will sit on the cloth, but it will save you the money from buying a stand. Also remember that all those videos are recording it to show placement, so it's all raw sound. No bass, no eq, just straight raw recordings. This does the placements but towards the end he will add in some bass/drums and then the full on EQ to show the change from Raw to Finished. -------------------- Guitars:
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Sep 11 2014, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 11 2014, 03:40 PM) Thanks everyone, good help there, I don't want to spend more than £100 so it looks like going for the Shure, I will ask friends who play and are in bands if they have a used one, it's only for recording my lessons at the moment. Those YouTube videos sound awful in this thread, they are extreeeemly distorted but in YouTube site they are fine. Any ideas? Cheers all Phil If you are planning to use it for recording lesson I also recommend you to consider the possibility of recording by line using some sofware amp emulators. There are really good ones, and some are completely free. Check out this thread: HERE -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 12 2014, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 12 2014, 05:12 AM) I listened to the vids and they seem ok to me in the thread and outside gmc. Might be some settings on your rig? Maybe flash playback settings? Yeah the SHURE SM57 is just a great choice for your first mic You'll always be able to get good sound from it and they are solid as a rock.The videos play fine tonight, must have been some codecs messed up, the sound was very distorted in a static kind of way not a nice way  Cheers Phil QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 11 2014, 10:29 PM) If you are planning to use it for recording lesson I also recommend you to consider the possibility of recording by line using some sofware amp emulators. There are really good ones, and some are completely free. Check out this thread: HERE Thanks Gab, I'm just downloading Reaper for trial, then I will buy if it works with my system and use your thread for the plug in stuff. Thanks everyone, this is a great family kinda like having a guitar club down at the local pub  Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Sep 12 2014, 09:05 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 12 2014, 09:01 PM
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sm57 is the workhorse mic used by most pros. cheap, reliable, good for high volumes.
On a side note, I've found that unless you are trying to get a feedback effect from your guitar recorded, you should place your cab in separate room for recording so you can crank it (saturate those tubes if it's a tube head) for the best tone, and still be able to hear the mix you're recording to - without going deaf! Chris! -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Sep 12 2014, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Sep 12 2014, 09:01 PM) sm57 is the workhorse mic used by most pros. cheap, reliable, good for high volumes. On a side note, I've found that unless you are trying to get a feedback effect from your guitar recorded, you should place your cab in separate room for recording so you can crank it (saturate those tubes if it's a tube head) for the best tone, and still be able to hear the mix you're recording to - without going deaf! Chris! Cheers, I won't go deaf, it's a 1 watt Blackstar HT-1 RH head This post has been edited by Phil66: Sep 12 2014, 09:19 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 13 2014, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Sep 12 2014, 06:30 AM) ... SM57 has a huge (around 5 dB) wide boost around 5kHz ... Very true Darius and that's one reason why SM57s are often modded in pro recording studios and also why they are rarely used by themselves to record amplified guitars. More generally - a lot of mics though have quite a pronounced character and are anything but flat - the issue is often how you deal with that. Many inexperienced engineers just don't spend enough time getting the mic position sorted and resort to eq far too soon. It's the usual 'fix it in the mix' mentality and it doesn't really work. Spend time getting things right from the start rather than try and bandage up the mistakes later. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Sep 13 2014, 04:17 PM
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Thanks everyone,
OK I've decided to go the software route for now. I have Guitar tracks 4 which is OK but not brilliant, what I do like about it is that when I press record on my control surface, the software starts recording, also there is an interface that mimics the control surface, ie it is a copy of the V-Studio 20 on the screen. I can't see how to get this in reaper, is there anything that will do similar rather than having to keep using the mouse? Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 13 2014, 08:06 PM
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Ok, I've tried Sonar X3 and it is bloody complicated, for me anyway.
I think I'll use my ME80 into my Blackstar and Blackstar emulated output into the V-Studio 20 for now, it's wasting too much precious practice time trying out different recording software so I'll stick with Guitar Tracks 4 until I have improved a bit. Any tips, or ideas for anything recording wise great appreciated, especially if I can use my VS20 as a control surface which I can't seem to do with Sonar X3 for some reason, which is odd because it's a Cakewalk product. Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 13 2014, 11:10 PM
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Phil -
For the majority of DAWs you can usually set a control surface in the DAW's 'Preferences' or 'Set Up'. Sorry i can't be more specific but I don't use either Sonar or Reaper. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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