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post Jul 23 2019, 05:54 PM
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post Jul 24 2019, 03:01 AM
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God bless Fender. I'm sorta suprised combo amps are still being made given the quality of plugins and processors going around. Some folks just want an amp though. I'm not an amp snob, but some folks are. You know the cork sniffers smile.gif NO TUBES NO DEAL sort of folks smile.gif The good news is folks can still buy combo tube amps if they want too. I fear it may start to shrink as the next gen of players turns to a laptop / speakers / interface as their entire home studio.
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post Jul 24 2019, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 24 2019, 02:01 AM) *
God bless Fender. I'm sorta suprised combo amps are still being made given the quality of plugins and processors going around. Some folks just want an amp though. I'm not an amp snob, but some folks are. You know the cork sniffers smile.gif NO TUBES NO DEAL sort of folks smile.gif The good news is folks can still buy combo tube amps if they want too. I fear it may start to shrink as the next gen of players turns to a laptop / speakers / interface as their entire home studio.

There is something evocative about plugging straight into the front of a nice combo though, tube or ss it's just rock n roll and even to me it feels different, I can't explain why but go straight into an amp after playing through processors and computers for a while you just feel more connected.

I'll watch that video later on, hopefully I won't get GAS lol.

Thanks for sharing Mertay wink.gif

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post Jul 24 2019, 01:56 PM
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Combo amps are great.
If you play in a 'club' band - whether that be a top 40 band, lounge band (casino), a jazz group, a singer/guitar player duo type of gig, cruise ship gig, etc. - you are generally playing on small to tiny little stages where you can barely bend down and/or turn a round to tweak your sounds. And you're up there for around 4 hours (with breaks) potentially playing 30 to 60 songs. You just want one or two knobs to be able to quickly grab and move on both your amp and your pedals. Also, you don't really get a "sound check". Maybe 15 minutes to set up and get your sound.
In reality, this is most working musicians in the world. All pro guitar, bass and keys players own multiple 'combo' amps, be it tube or SS.

*Those Fenders, at least from that vid doesn't sound like the 'classic' Deluxe Reverbs that I know. It does sort sound like the current tube re-issues of the DR but honestly those don't sound that good to me and they def don't sound like an early 60s black face deluxe reverb (or twin or vibrolux or princeton).
I'll try one. Maybe I can get it to sound better than the dude in that video - ?

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post Jul 24 2019, 07:19 PM
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Good point! For a working musicians, a combo and a couple of pedals is a working rig. Easy to tote, doesn't take up much space, perfect for the task. The vid didn't make the amp sound like the old amps but maybe it's the vid it's hard to tell somtimes from a vid. Fender claim they sound better than than the original, but it would take a hands on test to see imho. Be nice to have both next to each other for an A/B.

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Combo amps are great.
If you play in a 'club' band - whether that be a top 40 band, lounge band (casino), a jazz group, a singer/guitar player duo type of gig, cruise ship gig, etc. - you are generally playing on small to tiny little stages where you can barely bend down and/or turn a round to tweak your sounds. And you're up there for around 4 hours (with breaks) potentially playing 30 to 60 songs. You just want one or two knobs to be able to quickly grab and move on both your amp and your pedals. Also, you don't really get a "sound check". Maybe 15 minutes to set up and get your sound.
In reality, this is most working musicians in the world. All pro guitar, bass and keys players own multiple 'combo' amps, be it tube or SS.

*Those Fenders, at least from that vid doesn't sound like the 'classic' Deluxe Reverbs that I know. It does sort sound like the current tube re-issues of the DR but honestly those don't sound that good to me and they def don't sound like an early 60s black face deluxe reverb (or twin or vibrolux or princeton).
I'll try one. Maybe I can get it to sound better than the dude in that video - ?
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post Jul 24 2019, 09:35 PM
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The processing power in it is crazy. If 1 ir cab. can take 1% of cpu, an ir reverb can go as much as %60 depending on length and sample rate...add the ir cab. DI outputs, the digital amp stage and I'm almost sure under the hood its as powerful as a Helix smile.gif



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*Those Fenders, at least from that vid doesn't sound like the 'classic' Deluxe Reverbs that I know. It does sort sound like the current tube re-issues of the DR but honestly those don't sound that good to me and they def don't sound like an early 60s black face deluxe reverb (or twin or vibrolux or princeton).
I'll try one. Maybe I can get it to sound better than the dude in that video - ?


The cab. is a vital part of the tone on a combo, some ruin their cab.s tone by drilling holes to add handles only to regret later on. So since all the hardware is different I wouldn't expect perfection. Even the fact that it emulates high output but speakers working quiet, it should affect the tone quite a bit.

I also thought of working musicians the moment I started seeing video's. It also has DI outs so wouldn't be surprised if some preferes it to a high-end modeller if their expectations fit the needs with these amps.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJacQ2CfHwY...outu.be&t=2

Differences are very obvious with this video, but he lifts the new digital amp with only a finger smile.gif


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post Jul 25 2019, 03:56 PM
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I liked the tube Deluxe better than the digital model and I liked the digital Twin better than the tube example.
Price (and reduced weight) will be a determining factor for sure.

*The current (tube) versions of the Fender BF and SF amps don't really sound that much like the 60s and 70s originals. Most of the topology is different. Personally, I prefer the 'Hot Rod' series of newer Fender tube amps, especially the Blues Junior and Hot Rod Deluxe.

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post Jul 25 2019, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 25 2019, 02:56 PM) *
Personally, I prefer the 'Hot Rod' series of newer Fender tube amps, especially the Blues Junior and Hot Rod Deluxe.


My guess is they'll observe the market response and sales of these amps before pulling the trigger of their most popular amps. If satisfying for them, maybe next year we might see those amps tonemaster versions.


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