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Posted by: Muris Mar 31 2008, 10:28 AM
Hi crew. 
After few years of using same PC I decided to upgrade it,
actually I'm building new one,with old audio card and one existing ATA HD + one new S-ATA.
Here are new components:
Motherboard: MB ABIT IP35-E Intel? P35 Express/ICH9 Sck.775
CPU: INTEL CORE 2 DUO E4500 BOX 2x 2.2GHz 800MHz 2MB Sck.775
Video card: VGA POWERCOLOR ATI HD3650 PCI-E, PCS, 512MB Xtreme
Ram: DDR II 2GB (2x1GB kit) 800MHz OCZ Gold XTC.
Any opinions?
Thanks
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 31 2008, 10:35 AM
That looks like a good configuration to me
That ATA disk might be a bit of a bottleneck though, but should be find if your just using it for storage and not for the OS or similar.
Posted by: Muris Mar 31 2008, 11:16 AM
That ATA disk might be a bit of a bottleneck though, but should be find if your just using it for storage and not for the OS or similar.
Well to be honest,I'm gonna use ATA only for Windows Online(net).
Everything else would be on S-ATA,working Windows,programs,data files,project folders etc.
So they wont be sharing anything.
Sounds reasonable?
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 31 2008, 11:25 AM
Everything else would be on S-ATA,working Windows,programs,data files,project folders etc.
So they wont be sharing anything.
Sounds reasonable?
Sounds reasonable to me
I'm not quite sure what Windows Online is though
Posted by: Muris Mar 31 2008, 11:28 AM
I'm not quite sure what Windows Online is though
My bad,wrong explanation,sorry.
I'm using 2 Windows,one for internet and one for work,security matter,nothing else.
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 31 2008, 11:31 AM
I'm using 2 Windows,one for internet and one for work,security matter,nothing else.
Aha
Yes, better to be safe than sorry
Posted by: tonymiro Mar 31 2008, 11:34 AM
Looks fine generally Muris,
Only two minor things - mobo doesn't have a firewire and doesn't look like it supports RAID despite having 4 SATAs. Neither are a problem though as you can always retro fit these/install if you need to . Generally though I like ABit mobos - and of the pcs I've built I've never had a problem with ABit.
Oh - if the ATi uses Catalyst drivers - be careful that you follow the install instructions as in my experience Catalyst is very picky and can be a real pain to correct.
Don't forget to budget for decent CPU cooling and a good PSU .
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 31 2008, 11:41 AM
Only two minor things - mobo doesn't have a firewire and doesn't look like it supports RAID despite having 4 SATAs. Neither are a problem though as you can always retro fit these/install if you need to
. Generally though I like ABit mobos - and of the pcs I've built I've never had a problem with ABit.Oh - if the ATi uses Catalyst drivers - be careful that you follow the install instructions as in my experience Catalyst is very picky and can be a real pain to correct.
Don't forget to budget for decent CPU cooling and a good PSU
.Cheers,
Tony
Good point on the Catalyst
I got the HD3850 card, and the first time i installed it i sort of had to use a hammer to chissle the drivers in. But the recent catalyst-updates havent been much trouble
Posted by: tonymiro Mar 31 2008, 11:58 AM
Absolutely Trond,
My wife has an oldish laptop that has an ATi and the manufacturer messed up the Catalyst installation 
. Had to completely uninstall and reinstall manually to get it to work. Catalyst doesn't/didn't like over-writing/replacing and ATi's own uninstall prog didn't do a full uninstall 
. Once it's up and going it's ok though and personally I prefer ATi to NVidea.
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: tonymiro Mar 31 2008, 11:59 AM
BTW - Muris don't worry as long as you follow the ATi install instructions you should be fine
Posted by: Bogdan Mar 31 2008, 01:02 PM
This looks like a great machine..I will be needing something similar in the future too..Very smart of you to use 2 OS installations.. 
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Mar 31 2008, 02:06 PM
Looks cool Muris - I really need a new PC as well for my studio, but I will have to limp along for a while yet ..
Posted by: Juan M. Valero Mar 31 2008, 02:55 PM
looks great, although I'm not an informatic expert
I need to upgrade my Ram, I only had 1 GB and it's not enough to move all the VSTs in my Fruity loops XD (well, now I'm moving to Cubase)
Posted by: tonymiro Mar 31 2008, 03:35 PM
Juan,
make sure that your ram are the same type and fsb correct for your mobo - http://www.crucial.com/ website can tell you what type of ram if you know what your mobo is.
If your 1gb is on a single stick and you're not sure easiest way is to get exactly the same and populate one of the other spaces.
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Mar 31 2008, 05:07 PM
Looks fine for me too, the only thing I personally dislike is the ATI card, I once had one myself and only had problems with it, since then I went back to Nvidia, but I guess this was just my card since in general ATI cards are considered to be very good, so go for it.
Posted by: Muris Mar 31 2008, 06:23 PM
Thanks for info guys,I had no idea about Catalyst drives,will pay attention to it!
A good friend of mine is IT chief in a company here,he suggested me what to buy,
both now and for first configuration,few years ago.
He said to me: Let me pick you components...don't do it by yourself...it's gonna burn.
By the way,my current video card is Ati as well and I never had any problems with it,honestly.
Perhaps it has to be matched correctly with all other components?
Ohh,case is large Thermaltech VC3000 with lots of air and 2 big coolers(in and out),
power unit is Codeon 600watts.
Think I'm gonna use default Intel's CPU cooler fro a while and if that doesn't work well
then I'll take some Zalman.
Posted by: Hisham Mar 31 2008, 09:53 PM
congrat Muris nice PC and nice items .
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 31 2008, 09:57 PM
A good friend of mine is IT chief in a company here,he suggested me what to buy,
both now and for first configuration,few years ago.
He said to me: Let me pick you components...don't do it by yourself...it's gonna burn.
By the way,my current video card is Ati as well and I never had any problems with it,honestly.
Perhaps it has to be matched correctly with all other components?
Ohh,case is large Thermaltech VC3000 with lots of air and 2 big coolers(in and out),
power unit is Codeon 600watts.
Think I'm gonna use default Intel's CPU cooler fro a while and if that doesn't work well
then I'll take some Zalman.
I would say the default coolers usually work perfectly if your not planning to overclock.
Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Mar 31 2008, 10:31 PM
Congratulations Muris! Nice machine and happy playing!
One thing tho, it doesn't matter if you have a dual boot, it is not that bulletproof option for internet. It is the same computer nevertheless. The virus can spread all over you drives anyway imo.
Also the cooling system in the case is great, but I recommend using one cooler, because 2 can sound like vacuum cleaner and move unhealthy amount of dust. You never gonna need 2 coolers in the case anyway. 1 case cooler, one CPU cooler, one graphics cooler, and one power cooler is quite enough.
Posted by: Muris Mar 31 2008, 11:25 PM
Nice machine and happy playing! One thing tho, it doesn't matter if you have a dual boot, it is not that bulletproof option for internet. It is the same computer nevertheless. The virus can spread all over you drives anyway imo.
Also the cooling system in the case is great, but I recommend using one cooler, because 2 can sound like vacuum cleaner and move unhealthy amount of dust. You never gonna need 2 coolers in the case anyway. 1 case cooler, one CPU cooler, one graphics cooler, and one power cooler is quite enough.
About case coolers,the front one is pushing cold air inside(case has filter at front side to stop dust etc)
while cooler at rear side is pulling hot air out.
But good thinking Ivan,you cannot stop dust 100%, even with filters.
So if not,I can always turn OFF front cooler.
And there's trick with 2 OS.
Internet windows is on independent HD and it doesn't see another HD,where main(work) windows is.
Which means,even if virus comes in it cannot access to main HD or windows.
Same with main windows,it cannot see another HD where internet windows is.
So basicly it's like 2 computers...inside same case...kind of.
Posted by: Gerardo Siere Apr 1 2008, 12:42 AM
Sounds reasonable, with 1g ram is enough to don´t have to be procesing vsti and efects all the time, so you can just insert them on the daw mixer. By the way, good idea to have two OS.
My XP recently crashed with some of the hard disk (who´s stupid enough to have a 500gig almost full sata disk but didn´t make a NTSC format so it is in SFS) so the thing I made some partition in the other NTFS disk and installed two identical OS. So I don´t have to stop working (like now) when sh**t happens.
Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Apr 1 2008, 02:16 PM
while cooler at rear side is pulling hot air out.
But good thinking Ivan,you cannot stop dust 100%, even with filters.
So if not,I can always turn OFF front cooler.
And there's trick with 2 OS.
Internet windows is on independent HD and it doesn't see another HD,where main(work) windows is.
Which means,even if virus comes in it cannot access to main HD or windows.
Same with main windows,it cannot see another HD where internet windows is.
So basicly it's like 2 computers...inside same case...kind of.
OK man, just a good intended suggestion from me m8, take care about them dust filters then
Excellent solution, didn't know about that one!
Again congratulations on the new machine.
Posted by: Nemanja Apr 7 2008, 10:32 AM
great configuration Muris..I just both me new comp a month a go...pritty much the same config.
once again...nice machine...
Posted by: Pablo Vazquez Apr 8 2008, 08:31 PM
Yes... Congrats man!! It's a great configuration!
Posted by: Muris Apr 9 2008, 02:38 AM
Thanks guys.
I'm doing backups and installations for more than 5 days,
my brain is damaged 
Posted by: Nemanja Apr 9 2008, 05:09 PM
I'm doing backups and installations for more than 5 days,
my brain is damaged
yeah I know how it feels...
Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Apr 9 2008, 08:50 PM
I'm doing backups and installations for more than 5 days,
my brain is damaged
Ahh yes, sweet troubles!
Posted by: Trond Vold Apr 9 2008, 09:38 PM
I'm doing backups and installations for more than 5 days,
my brain is damaged
Ugh
Been there plenty of times
Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Apr 9 2008, 10:16 PM
Been there plenty of times
Tell me about it
Posted by: Muris Apr 10 2008, 12:15 AM
You guys just don't have mercy
feel with me
Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Apr 10 2008, 07:00 PM
How's the new machine goin' man. Is it up and running already?
Posted by: Muris Apr 10 2008, 08:58 PM
Is it up and running already?Thanks for asking,in next few days I hope,
still have to run internet windows and few small details on main windows.
Ohh btw,I've got another 2gb of RAM so it's now 4gb.
Tho I can use only 3,4gb,motherboard's chipset doesn't support full feature.
Still it's a lot better,almost double power.
Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Apr 11 2008, 12:01 AM
Well 3.4GB is good enough, you are safe with that in the years to come. Wise choice
Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 15 2008, 10:50 PM
Something weird happened last night.
I tried to updated Mozilla and it did get its updates.
But after restarting it it just cannot connect to internet,
Explorer works fine,same as Safari which I'm using now,but Mozilla is out.
I uninstalled and installed it few times after that... no good.
Could it be some file in registry that I have to fix,any ideas?
Firewall is off tho
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 16 2008, 04:38 PM
With what version did you update it with Muris?
Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 16 2008, 04:44 PM
No idea,I just clicked "check for updates" and it doesn't work since then.
I reinstalled it few times tho so I cannot find what was update version.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 16 2008, 05:31 PM
Hmm, there's this program called regcleaner it's free and it can clean your PC from firefox registry entries easily. Then you can try to do a fresh install. Be sure to save your bookmarks and everything to a separate folder tho..
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Apr 18 2008, 02:12 PM
Muris, did you manage to fix it yet after our chat the other night?
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 18 2008, 02:50 PM
Muris? Are you there man? Oh no....
Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2008, 12:39 AM
Format has been done,I tried just everything,that was the only solution.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 19 2008, 05:42 PM
Oh man.... I hate formats
But than again I feel fresh after a good old formatting the drive
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