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Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 3 2009, 02:33 PM
Hi Ruben!
I am very excited to get started with you as you waited extra month to join my MTP group. I hope you will find assignments very useful informative challenging and fun at the same time 
Since you mentioned in your Guitar CV that you need help with Bending, Vibrato and Alternate picking, I have decided to start you off with some Alternate picking. The reasons for choosing this one is AP seem to be most troubling technique for most guitar players. The sooner we cover it, everything should be much easier later on. We will of course work on Bending and Vibrato as well as other important aspects (like theory and harmony, improvising, recording, learning useful GMC lessons etc) but for time being our 1st assignment will be focusing on technique.
Here is your 1st assignment for December!
1st assignment is due on December 10th (a week from today).
Your 1st assignment is :
- Record each lick in 3 different tempos! Make sure tempos are at least 15-20 bpm difference.
- Try to show me your maximum tempo for these licks, I want you to push yourself here!
- Feel free to ask for more exercises if these are too easy for you!
- Upload your takes in this thread. Ideally I would like you to do videos, put them on Youtube and embed them here.
Time limit for 1st assignment would be a week from now. If you manage to do all the exercises before that, I will put more exercises here for you!
Feel free to ask me any questions, I am here to help always 
Pedja
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: 105Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 3 2009, 05:37 PM
I am very excited to get started with you as you waited extra month to join my MTP group. I hope you will find assignments very useful informative challenging and fun at the same time
Since you mentioned in your Guitar CV that you need help with Bending, Vibrato and Alternate picking, I have decided to start you off with some Alternate picking. The reasons for choosing this one is AP seem to be most troubling technique for most guitar players. The sooner we cover it, everything should be much easier later on. We will of course work on Bending and Vibrato as well as other important aspects (like theory and harmony, improvising, recording, learning useful GMC lessons etc) but for time being our 1st assignment will be focusing on technique.
Here is your 1st assignment for December!
1st assignment is due on December 10th (a week from today).
Your 1st assignment is :
- Record each lick in 3 different tempos! Make sure tempos are at least 15-20 bpm difference.
- Try to show me your maximum tempo for these licks, I want you to push yourself here!
- Feel free to ask for more exercises if these are too easy for you!
- Upload your takes in this thread. Ideally I would like you to do videos, put them on Youtube and embed them here.
Time limit for 1st assignment would be a week from now. If you manage to do all the exercises before that, I will put more exercises here for you!
Feel free to ask me any questions, I am here to help always
Pedja
Thanks a lot i will start working rigth away , just got one question how many notes per beat shoud i do ?? .. btw I forgot to mention that i am being influenced by Paul Gilbert, Steve vai , yngwie malmsteen, Marty Friedman .. It is cause of this and some other guitarrists that I want to increase my speed of play ... =) but this doesn´t mean I just want to be a full time shredder and do nothing but shredding in my solos/improvising.. I want to be able to sheered nicely when I fell like shredding / need to shred but at the same time I want to make some nice melodic solos =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 4 2009, 11:53 AM
Ruben those exercises are 16th note based which means 4 notes per beat. Please check my demonstration of them below
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=30326&view=findpost&p=419992
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 4 2009, 01:57 PM
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=30326&view=findpost&p=419992
thanks a lot i´m going to record the 1st one today if i have time ..
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 4 2009, 05:31 PM
HI pedja i already got 2 takes, one of the lick at 60 bpm and another at 80 bpms.. the next will be at 100 bpm i´ll record it later today and upload my takes
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 4 2009, 10:37 PM
Cool Ruben I look forward to the recordings and uploads man!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 4 2009, 11:30 PM
i´m going to upload them now...=) do you what me to post them on youtube and embed the vids here ???
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 5 2009, 01:00 AM
I i already have all the takes i have made a vid with them all and i´m just waiting for youtube to process it .. asap i will embed the vid here 
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 5 2009, 01:13 AM
When you finish it all embed them all here please Ruben
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 5 2009, 12:47 PM
Here it is .. the sound is a bit crappy ( the guitar is too sound is to low .. i will fix this in the next vids).. do you mind if i record my Exercises like this (with mi cam´s mic )?? cause it gives a lot more work to use the ux1 since i don´t have my studio monitors yet
.. i have one doubt is there someway to make/ to get backing tracks with the metronome at difrent speeds ??
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 5 2009, 01:36 PM
I´ll start practicing the 2nd execise today =) (hope to post the takes by tomorrow)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 5 2009, 08:34 PM
already got the 2nd lick down =)(at 60; 80 and 100 bpm ); gonna try tu push it until 120 bpm .. do you want me to record this ones with the line 6 ux1 ???
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 6 2009, 09:34 AM
Ruben with 1st tempo you didn't do so well (it was rushed a lot) but for 2nd and 3rd tempo you did much better so overall impression is good. Try to post it with your line 6 device, lets see how that works out.
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 7 2009, 12:16 AM
Hi pedja, sorry but today i couldn´t use my camera :S so my takes are only in mp3 hope this isn´t a problem :S?? and i don´t know what happend but while use abelton i could hear the metronome pretty loud but after i recorded everything and exported the tracks from ablton the metronome sound got so silent that it´s barely audible :S ( any tips on how can i fix this ??? ) i´m a bit disapointed at this takes cause i couldn´t go faster than 100 bpm .. but i can go up to 120 with the first lick sould i re-record it if i have time ??
Here is the audio of the 3 takes (they are all in the same file=) ):
1st is at 60 bpm
2nd at 80 bpm
3rd at 100 bpm
[attachment=19324:_udio.mp3]
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 7 2009, 10:27 AM
Sounds good Ruben. In your free time keep increasing tempos, for time being it is important for you to cover all exercises and do it in the tempos you choose.
I can't help you with your DAW as I never used it but I assume you need to open Midi track and select sidekick sound do quarter notes of it and just loop it however long the exercise is.
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM
I can't help you with your DAW as I never used it but I assume you need to open Midi track and select sidekick sound do quarter notes of it and just loop it however long the exercise is.
thanks, will do that =)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 7 2009, 04:22 PM
HI pedja the next upload will be here any time soon ... =)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 7 2009, 10:25 PM
Here are the recordings of the 3rd lick.. still don´t know how to put the metonome in the tracks =S
[attachment=19354:l3_80_bpm.mp3]
[attachment=19355:lick_3_100_bpm.mp3]
[attachment=19361:Lick_3_120_bpm_new.mp3]
Hope they sound nice
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 8 2009, 02:59 AM
Update : so i´m now going at the 4th lick this one is the hardst ive done so far cause i have to change strings i can´t get very fast at it :S but i ´m gonna practice some more and we will see what i can do =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 8 2009, 12:00 PM
Ruben very good work!
1st and 2nd tempos are great. You are having trouble with 120bpm. Try to do it clean and clear at 105 then go for 110 then 115 and then tackle 120. I am sure you will have it down in less then a week if you do it that way.
Looking forward to 4th example!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 8 2009, 12:12 PM
1st and 2nd tempos are great. You are having trouble with 120bpm. Try to do it clean and clear at 105 then go for 110 then 115 and then tackle 120. I am sure you will have it down in less then a week if you do it that way.
Looking forward to 4th example!
Thanks pedja i know :S it sound to muddy will do taht in my free time =) ...going to tackle teh 4th now =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 8 2009, 12:28 PM
Glad you know what you need to work on Ruben
Are you going to post 4th example tonight?
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 8 2009, 12:47 PM
Are you going to post 4th example tonight?
Hope so (don´t know if i have time cause i have to go lucnch and spend the afternoon with my granparents)... =)but if i can´t do it today,tomorrow it will be here 4 sure
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 8 2009, 01:14 PM
Ok Ruben. You have tomorrow and day after to complete examples 4 and 5. I hope you will do it on time!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 8 2009, 01:19 PM
I will no worrys=)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 8 2009, 07:58 PM
So i have been working for 2h hours or so and this is what i have so far ... i have been strugling very hard to increase speed :S any tips ???
[attachment=19372:60_bpm.mp3]
[attachment=19373:80_bpm.mp3]
[attachment=19374:95_bpm.mp3]
I can do it at 100 bpm but i couldn´t record it :S
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 8 2009, 09:57 PM
HI pedja , noticed one thing... when i increase speed on any of the licks i start to hit the strings with less pick(more with the tip of the pick ) and and with less strength ... is this correct to do or sould i fix this ?? ... i think this is what makes my sound more muddy than clear...
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 10 2009, 01:45 AM
[attachment=19372:60_bpm.mp3]
[attachment=19373:80_bpm.mp3]
[attachment=19374:95_bpm.mp3]
I can do it at 100 bpm but i couldn´t record it :S
I can hear you having problem with unwanted noise on strings B and E when you are coming back ! Work on that, don't lift your fingers too much of the strings, avoid sudden movements and use inside of your left hand fingers to mute the strings as you change them!
Ruben that tends to happen. This is why I suggest working slowly and building tempos bit by bit. That way you will be able to correct your picking habits on the spot. Right now I can't tell you to use one picking method always. I do that and it works for me but for very fast tempo there has to be some sort of correction one way or the other. The important thing is that it shouldn't change your sound drastically and that execution is there!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 10 2009, 11:54 AM
OK .. so i guess i will have to practice this exercise a lot :S at some slow tempos....
Ruben that tends to happen. This is why I suggest working slowly and building tempos bit by bit. That way you will be able to correct your picking habits on the spot. Right now I can't tell you to use one picking method always. I do that and it works for me but for very fast tempo there has to be some sort of correction one way or the other. The important thing is that it shouldn't change your sound drastically and that execution is there!
thanks i will work bit by bit until every thing sounds just
perfect to my ears=)
- so i´m currently working on the exercise 5 i´m having trouble on the last bend cause i have to jump from the g string to the e and i find that a bit harsh to do :S but a part from that i find the rest of the exercise farly easy =)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 10 2009, 11:04 PM
Here is the exercise number 5 ( i´m not very happy with it since i wasn´t able to get to a nice speed nor get any decent take of the 90 bpm there was allways some string buzzing :S)
[attachment=19434:60_bpm__...m_90_bpm.mp3]
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 12 2009, 03:21 PM
Ruben you did best with 2nd tempo on Exercise 5. When you went to last tempo there was unwanted string noise due to improper left hand muting. Watch the videos how I did that one and you will see how my left hand fingers lift from strings. Find the balance, don't do it too sudden otherwise you will touch other strings and get unwanted noise. It is all about practice. Just focus on raising tempos slowly and you will have it. Keep working on this material in your free time, don't leave it, we must move onto next assignment now.
Now we move onto your 2nd assignment for December. Deadline for 2nd assignment is 18th of December (6 days from today).
Sweep picking
- Record audio and/or video of sweep picking exercises provided.
- Tempo of your choice.
- For extra work try to do examples in couple of different tempos!
You can find videos of the exercises http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=31383&view=findpost&p=434165
Let me know if you have any questions!
Pedja
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Now we move onto your 2nd assignment for December. Deadline for 2nd assignment is 18th of December (6 days from today).
Sweep picking
- Record audio and/or video of sweep picking exercises provided.
- Tempo of your choice.
- For extra work try to do examples in couple of different tempos!
You can find videos of the exercises http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=31383&view=findpost&p=434165
Let me know if you have any questions!
Pedja
Thanks pedja i´ll start working on them rigth away
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 13 2009, 11:06 PM
HI pedja, i´m having a hard time with this assigment where is a vid of the first sweep exercise it´s at 50 bpm and 60 bpm ... i hve some problems on keepin the tempo ...
[attachment=19493:Sem_t_tulo_0001.wmv]
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 14 2009, 05:58 PM
[attachment=19493:Sem_t_tulo_0001.wmv]
Hi Ruben,
I watched your video and noticed one very important thing. Your right hand is doing great its the left hand thats having problems coordinating. Put your left hand thumb behind the guitar neck and rest it there! With the thumb on top (like you have it in the video) it will be very difficult to have noiseless sweeps!
Let me know if that helps. I am very excited to see a new video from you !
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 14 2009, 09:33 PM
I watched your video and noticed one very important thing. Your right hand is doing great its the left hand thats having problems coordinating. Put your left hand thumb behind the guitar neck and rest it there! With the thumb on top (like you have it in the video) it will be very difficult to have noiseless sweeps!
Let me know if that helps. I am very excited to see a new video from you !
Thanks Pedja .. i will work on that thumb problem in 15 min( just washed my hands gotta wait a bit =) ) and i will let you know if it helped me =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 14 2009, 11:05 PM
Awesome Ruben, waiting for your response man
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 15 2009, 12:12 AM
Hi pedja so here is a 2 in one =) i tryed to keep the thumb allways behind the neck ...
1st the 2nd exercise at 50 bpm
[attachment=19510:exercise_2_50_bpm.wmv]
and last but not least is the 3rd exercise at 120 bpm .. give me some feedback about this two exercises =)
[attachment=19511:exerxixe_3_120_..wmv]
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 15 2009, 11:52 AM
HI Pedja i nedd some help wih the 4th exercise .. So my problem is that when i increase speed i get some harmonics now and then :S how can i can correct it ??
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 16 2009, 06:19 PM
here is the 4th exercise at 60 bpm =) (still a lot of noise there i think :S)
[attachment=19533:4th_60_bpm.wmv]
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 17 2009, 09:55 PM
Hi pedja i think i have got hte hang of the 5th exemple .. gonnna post it tomorrow morning ...
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 18 2009, 12:23 PM
Here is the 5th exercise at 70 bpm =)
Looking forward 4 our next assigmnt
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 19 2009, 01:26 AM
Ruben I checked out all the remaining examples. Lets start from last one!
Example 5 = You need to do that one in groups of 4 notes (16th notes) not in groups of 3 notes (triplets). This was your main mistake, rhythm.
Example 4 = This was one of your best work, great sweeping and hands 90+% in sync. Good work!
Example 3 = Here you did not roll your 4 fingers at all, which produced bar like unwanted noise sound. That exercise needs to be played with perfection so that every finger can learn to move up and down from the strings. It is great left hand exercise for sweeping. I also think you increased tempo a lot for this one as it seemed to you like it was easy but it is actually very difficult when you think about it
Example 2 = This one you got rhythm and sweeping motion down but some notes are incorrect. Check the file again for that one, I am most pleased by this one and example 5 so far!
Overall we will continue with sweep picking in your 3rd assignment as I feel we really need to work on this one. I will post new exercises for you very soon so stay tuned!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 19 2009, 01:30 AM
Example 5 = You need to do that one in groups of 4 notes (16th notes) not in groups of 3 notes (triplets). This was your main mistake, rhythm.
Example 4 = This was one of your best work, great sweeping and hands 90+% in sync. Good work!
Example 3 = Here you did not roll your 4 fingers at all, which produced bar like unwanted noise sound. That exercise needs to be played with perfection so that every finger can learn to move up and down from the strings. It is great left hand exercise for sweeping. I also think you increased tempo a lot for this one as it seemed to you like it was easy but it is actually very difficult when you think about it
Example 2 = This one you got rhythm and sweeping motion down but some notes are incorrect. Check the file again for that one, I am most pleased by this one and example 5 so far!
Overall we will continue with sweep picking in your 3rd assignment as I feel we really need to work on this one. I will post new exercises for you very soon so stay tuned!
OK pedja, sorry for the mistakes i fell really bad :S ... Hope the next assingmnt will be better
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 20 2009, 06:05 PM
Ruben we continue with your assignments now. I have decided to change things up a bit for your remaining 3 assignments. Your 3rd assignment will be theory and harmony based while your 4th assignment will be REC at the same time!
3rd assignment :
Theory reading
- I would like you to read my posts from links provided below.
- Once you read it all, memorize 3 and 4 part harmony in C major scale.
- Learn to apply scale degrees rather then numbers ( I in C major is C, IV in C is F etc).
- Write out in this thread all notes for 3 and 4 part harmony in C major.
- Explain to me how do we build chords in the first place?
- Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode? How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?
Here are the links:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=30271
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=30193
4th assignment :
Triads in C major scale part 1
- Record video of Triads in C major scale part 1 lesson found http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Triads_in_Major_Scale_Series_Part_1/
- Use backing track provided in the thread when recording it.
- Try to apply left hand fingerings I applied but stick to right hand fingerings all the way.
- Upload video on Youtube and post it in this thread here.
- When you are finished with the video, post it on REC board for grading!
Deadline for these assignments is 31st of December!
Let me know if you have any questions.
Pedja
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 21 2009, 07:32 PM
So have read the posts and here is what i have so far..
Notes in the 3rd part harmony of c Major:
I (C major) - C/E/G
II (D minor) - D/F/A
III (E minor) - E/G/B
IV (F major) - F/A/C
V (G major) - G/B/D
VI (A minor) - A/C/E
VII (B diminished) - B/D/F
VIII (C major) - C/E/G
Im´still tryn to understand how does the part 4 work..
By the away i don´t know how explain:
"Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"
i know that for instace if you want (as u ask were :"How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?")
D Dorian i the II so the I is C Ionian (C MAjor ) so D Dorian is basicly the chords of an C Major but startng and ending on the D minor Exmple :
I (D minor) - D/F/A
II (E minor) - E/G/B
III (F major) - F/A/C
IV (G major) - G/B/D
V (A minor) - A/C/E
VI (B diminished) - B/D/F
VII (C major) - C/E/G
VIII (D minor) - D/F/A
as u can see i know how to make chord progressions in a certain mode .. but i don´t know how to answser this :
"Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"
it´s like i know how to do it.. but i don´t know how to explain it ..
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 22 2009, 11:12 AM
OK i THink i Know the answer to the question "Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"
IN the 3rd part:
- IN any major scale the minors are at II and III so 4 instance here:
I (D minor) - D/F/A
II (E minor) - E/G/B
III (F major) - F/A/C
IV (G major) - G/B/D
V (A minor) - A/C/E
VI (B diminished) - B/D/F
VII (C major) - C/E/G
VIII (D minor) - D/F/A
The minors are D minor (II) and E minor(III) so the key is ©
NOw to see the mode since this scale is in the key of C and it starts with an D minor therefore we are in the D Dorian, cause D is the II in the scale of C Major (ionian)
In the 4 part:
The V is always the dominat 7 so for instance:
// D maj7 / B min7 / E min7 / A7 / D maj7 / F# min7 / G maj7 / A7 //
here the dominat 7 is A7 so if A7 is (V) the (I) that determines the key is D since this particular exemple starts with D maj7 this scale is in D Major (Ionian)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 23 2009, 04:33 PM
IN the 3rd part:
- IN any major scale the minors are at II and III so 4 instance here:
I (D minor) - D/F/A
II (E minor) - E/G/B
III (F major) - F/A/C
IV (G major) - G/B/D
V (A minor) - A/C/E
VI (B diminished) - B/D/F
VII (C major) - C/E/G
VIII (D minor) - D/F/A
The minors are D minor (II) and E minor(III) so the key is ©
NOw to see the mode since this scale is in the key of C and it starts with an D minor therefore we are in the D Dorian, cause D is the II in the scale of C Major (ionian)
In the 4 part:
The V is always the dominat 7 so for instance:
// D maj7 / B min7 / E min7 / A7 / D maj7 / F# min7 / G maj7 / A7 //
here the dominat 7 is A7 so if A7 is (V) the (I) that determines the key is D since this particular exemple starts with D maj7 this scale is in D Major (Ionian)
Ruben read the posts again and make sure you read my responses to other guys. You will see why we use certain chord progressions for certain modes and why we label chords the way we label them. You got the first part perfectly (figuring out original major scale) but you need to read more on my modes post and modal chord progressions!)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 23 2009, 08:34 PM
Here are the 4th part notes in C major..
I - C Maj7 - C E G B
II - Min7 - D F A C
III - E Min7 - E G B D
IV - F Maj7 - F A C E
V - G dom7 - G B D F
VI - A Min7 - A C E G
VII - B Min7b5 - B D F A
VIII - C Maj7 - C E G B
And to build a chord if i figured it out rigth you have to stack 2 thirds ( for the 3rd part chords) or 3 thirds ( 4 the 4th part chords) to the notes of the scale...
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 24 2009, 12:32 AM
I - C Maj7 - C E G B
II - Min7 - D F A C
III - E Min7 - E G B D
IV - F Maj7 - F A C E
V - G dom7 - G B D F
VI - A Min7 - A C E G
VII - B Min7b5 - B D F A
VIII - C Maj7 - C E G B
And to build a chord if i figured it out rigth you have to stack 2 thirds ( for the 3rd part chords) or 3 thirds ( 4 the 4th part chords) to the notes of the scale...
All correct answers Ruben, you just forgot to put D in front of Min7. Well done, get to other exercises now!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 24 2009, 05:10 PM
Hi pedja could you give me a chord progression to use in my final awser ..?? =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 24 2009, 07:48 PM
Ruben here were the questions
- Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode? How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?
Chord progression must have some sort of TONIC and Dominant type chord at least. In best case scenario it will have Tonic Subdominant and Dominant type chords. In D Dorian tonic type chord is D min or D min7, characteristic note in D Dorian is major 6th which is B note. So you need chord or chords in C major scale that use B note in them! Those are E min, G maj, B dim as triads as well as E min7 G7 and B min7b5. B min7b5 is very similar to D min triad the only difference is in the bass note!!! So we are left with E min and G maj or E min7 G7. Your chord progression for D Dorian is then : D min / E min // or D min / G7 //
Let me know if you got any questions about everything I wrote down!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 25 2009, 02:25 PM
- Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode? How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?
Chord progression must have some sort of TONIC and Dominant type chord at least. In best case scenario it will have Tonic Subdominant and Dominant type chords. In D Dorian tonic type chord is D min or D min7, characteristic note in D Dorian is major 6th which is B note. So you need chord or chords in C major scale that use B note in them! Those are E min, G maj, B dim as triads as well as E min7 G7 and B min7b5. B min7b5 is very similar to D min triad the only difference is in the bass note!!! So we are left with E min and G maj or E min7 G7. Your chord progression for D Dorian is then : D min / E min // or D min / G7 //
Let me know if you got any questions about everything I wrote down!
OK i think i have got it after reading your post and this post from JVM MTP :
"To determine what chord progressions are in what mode, you need to know the characteristic note of the mode. First it is helpful to separate the modes into Major and Minor families, and distinguish minor modes from the minor scale and major modes from the major scale (am I right in that assumption?) Since D Dorian's characteristic note is the VI, which is sharp compared to D minor, our Dorian cadence should have chords that contain that VI note ( B ). You can build three chords out of this note, with B in the root position (Bdim or Bmin7b5), B in the third position (Gmaj, G7) and B in the 5th position, which is Em or Em7. Since Bdim is so similar to Dmin, we don't use it as it can confuse us (right?). In addition to using these characteristic modal chords, we should obviously include the tonic (Dmin or variation of it) in the progression."
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 25 2009, 04:14 PM
"To determine what chord progressions are in what mode, you need to know the characteristic note of the mode. First it is helpful to separate the modes into Major and Minor families, and distinguish minor modes from the minor scale and major modes from the major scale (am I right in that assumption?) Since D Dorian's characteristic note is the VI, which is sharp compared to D minor, our Dorian cadence should have chords that contain that VI note ( B ). You can build three chords out of this note, with B in the root position (Bdim or Bmin7b5), B in the third position (Gmaj, G7) and B in the 5th position, which is Em or Em7. Since Bdim is so similar to Dmin, we don't use it as it can confuse us (right?). In addition to using these characteristic modal chords, we should obviously include the tonic (Dmin or variation of it) in the progression."
Exactly Ruben. As I said, it was all there in the original thread you just have to read it couple of times for it to click. Get to other assignment now
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 25 2009, 06:36 PM
Thanks pedja =) in the next assigment can i change some of the fingers positions on some chords (cause in some of them i have a hard time tryn to use same fingering as you cause of my fat fingers
) btw thre´s this partycular chord that i´m having a lot of trouble with :S (the C in the last 3 stings (strings 321) i don´t know how i will be able to do this one cause my fingers don´t it in the frets ...:S) ??
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 26 2009, 12:54 AM
) btw thre´s this partycular chord that i´m having a lot of trouble with :S (the C in the last 3 stings (strings 321) i don´t know how i will be able to do this one cause my fingers don´t it in the frets ...:S) ??If you cant do it in that octave, drop it down 12 frets and you should be able to do it. I still recommend you practice it some more, it could be very good for your fingers
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 26 2009, 03:18 AM
Thank pedja,
I will Practice it a lot more =) i can do the C chord farly easly in a lower octave i will practice to see if i can make the c chord in the orginal positon ...(i´m just conserned cause it hurts my hand when i try to make this chord :S is this normal ?? )
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 26 2009, 03:42 AM
I will Practice it a lot more =) i can do the C chord farly easly in a lower octave i will practice to see if i can make the c chord in the orginal positon ...(i´m just conserned cause it hurts my hand when i try to make this chord :S is this normal ?? )
You welcome Ruben. There shouldn't be any pain. If you are feeling any switch down an octave and you will be fine!
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 26 2009, 03:53 AM
thanks i will do that =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 26 2009, 04:00 AM
Great Ruben, look forward to your work man
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 28 2009, 08:17 PM
Hi pedja i have recorded my take on your c major scale triads pt 1 =)
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 29 2009, 12:30 AM
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=32863
i have already placed it on the rec board here´s the link =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 29 2009, 03:58 AM
i have already placed it on the rec board here´s the link =)
Ruben that link doesn't work my friend
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 29 2009, 01:55 PM
i Know it´s because the post was moved somewhere until it got 3 avaluations .. than it will be placed back at the rec board or so i was told .. =)
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 30 2009, 11:49 PM
I just evaluated it , Emir also did it, one more and you will be all set
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 31 2009, 12:00 AM
NICE to hear that =) i also placed my take of jingle bells 4 the rec program
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 31 2009, 03:32 AM
I watched that as well. You did great with playing and whole holiday spirit scenario
Posted by: ruben_mcn Dec 31 2009, 02:04 PM
Thanks PEdja.. glad u liked it
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jan 2 2010, 04:50 AM
Yeah I did and I graded it for REC yesterday
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jan 2 2010, 07:06 PM
Ruben since you completed all your assignments for December successfully, I will go ahead and close this thread now. New thread for January with your 1st assignment will be opened soon so stay tuned!
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