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Aug 28 2014, 05:11 PM
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I can't believe I'm the only guy answer thing thread as I'm one of the few guys that DOESN'T use a guitar amp/head at all
 I use an 11 rack feeding a power amp so I don't run in to these issues. However, I guess perhaps fewer folks than I thought are doing what you are trying to do?This answer from the line 6 web site may help Also, here is the link to the FAQ that it came from.http://line6.com/support/page/kb/_/pod/pod...ble-method-r488 -------- Q: What is the Four cable method? (POD X3 Live and Pro Only) A: The “Four Cable” method (4CM) can be used for any effect unit that has an effects loop when connecting to an amplifier that has an effects loop (i.e. the POD X3 Live). This cabling method allows the end-user to place filters and overdrive units before the preamp section of the amplifier, and modulation and delay effects after the effect loop in the effect unit. This way the amplifier will provide the tones and the Line 6 device will provide the effects (pre and post). Be sure to enable the effects loop, and experiment with Pre-post effect to decide which method works best for you. Instrument > X3Live guitar in X3Live effect loop send > instrument input of amplifier Amplifier effect loop send > X3Live effect loop return X3 line output > Amplifier effect loop return. -------- Did that clear things up? I've had experience with the pod and the FX were great Bypassing the primary gain/amp models is a great idea as that is the weakest part of the unit imho. The Blackstar would do a much better job
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Sep 4 2014, 08:42 AM
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I went through the same head scratching as you and finally got it figured out. I think I started 2 threads on the subject and there is another more detailed. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=51483
Anyway, If I'm understanding you want to be able to utilize your head and bypass the preamp in the Pro HDX, and with the click of the pedal utilize the preamp in the ProHDX. Yes - this can be done. Once the 4 cable method has been set up, you just create you patch with the amp model of your choice. Here's where it gets kind of tricky though - it's really a 5 cable method, because you need to have a midi-output on the back of your Black Star going to the POD as well. The midi will make the POD control what channel on your amp is selected. So when you press a certain pedal, it will switch the Black Star to clean channel (which you will have set as 100% clean as possible) and your POD distortion will kick in at the same time, switch to another pedal and you can have a clean FX only through your clean channel, or change channels on the amp with FX only while bypassing the POD preamp. The only thing the POD won't change are individual channel settings on the amp, like gain, reverb setting, lows, mids, highs, etc. But, it can turn reverb on/off, and switch from Volume 1 to Volume 2, FX Loop On/Off, if those are buttons (not just dials) that can be assigned midi. Well, I just looked up the Blackstar HT Studio 20 and unfortunately it does not seem to have a midi output, in which case you are stuck with having to hit 2 pedals (the channel pedal for the Blackstar and the patch pedal for the Pod). I have a POD HDX Pro as well, and love what it does - once hooked up correctly it's so easy to control your tones, and you can even dictate what goes in front of the amp and what goes through the FX loop. If eventually you want to be able to utilize just the POD as your only pedal board, you'll need to make sure to purchase an amp that has a midi input in the back - again, making it really a 5 cable method. Good luck! This post has been edited by Spock: Sep 4 2014, 08:46 AM |
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Sep 5 2014, 10:54 PM
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After a few posts he was able to get the four cable method going a bit back but I gotta say your post on it is much more eloquent and detailed than mine was!! I've not used a pod in this manner so I was mostly researching online and sharing what I found. The good news is, he got what he was wanting out of his pod!!
QUOTE (Spock @ Sep 4 2014, 03:42 AM)  I went through the same head scratching as you and finally got it figured out. I think I started 2 threads on the subject and there is another more detailed. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=51483 Anyway, If I'm understanding you want to be able to utilize your head and bypass the preamp in the Pro HDX, and with the click of the pedal utilize the preamp in the ProHDX. Yes - this can be done. Once the 4 cable method has been set up, you just create you patch with the amp model of your choice. Here's where it gets kind of tricky though - it's really a 5 cable method, because you need to have a midi-output on the back of your Black Star going to the POD as well. The midi will make the POD control what channel on your amp is selected. So when you press a certain pedal, it will switch the Black Star to clean channel (which you will have set as 100% clean as possible) and your POD distortion will kick in at the same time, switch to another pedal and you can have a clean FX only through your clean channel, or change channels on the amp with FX only while bypassing the POD preamp. The only thing the POD won't change are individual channel settings on the amp, like gain, reverb setting, lows, mids, highs, etc. But, it can turn reverb on/off, and switch from Volume 1 to Volume 2, FX Loop On/Off, if those are buttons (not just dials) that can be assigned midi. Well, I just looked up the Blackstar HT Studio 20 and unfortunately it does not seem to have a midi output, in which case you are stuck with having to hit 2 pedals (the channel pedal for the Blackstar and the patch pedal for the Pod). I have a POD HDX Pro as well, and love what it does - once hooked up correctly it's so easy to control your tones, and you can even dictate what goes in front of the amp and what goes through the FX loop. If eventually you want to be able to utilize just the POD as your only pedal board, you'll need to make sure to purchase an amp that has a midi input in the back - again, making it really a 5 cable method. Good luck! |
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