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Adam
Oct 3 2020, 11:54 AM
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Thank you!

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 3 2020, 02:01 AM) *
Very cool! I like that riff. It's very Eighties indeed. I like the phaser as well. Nicely done!!! Keep it up!!


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Gabriel Leopardi
Oct 3 2020, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 2 2020, 06:11 PM) *
Thank you! That was really unexpected! It's just an idea that I need to patch up with more bits and instruments. As much as I want to, I only have my guitars, and my brother's bass if needed.

My project is kind of stuck. We're pushing forward at a really slow pace because I lately come home too tired to make any use of my brain. I work 7 days a week, so it's really taxing. But I asked for 1 day off tomorrow and I'm hoping to make a decent progress.

The setting we chose for the game is a mix of post-apocalypse and 80's retrowave. I found this brand new phaser on a nice sale lately and I didn't need it nor want it but I bought it just to see how that kind of effect works. After I figured out how each knob affects the tone, I hit the sweet spot and paired it up with delay in the effects loop. It suddenly made guitar fun to play for the first time in a really long while.

I think it may sound a bit like EVH era of music but that's 80's and if I manage to put the music together, it should be perfect for the setting.
Ideally, I should try it with my PAF guitar that's made for this but it needs shielding first and it takes a while.




Oh! That sounds cool! Yeah, Van Halen was a big user of Phase 90 pedal. Have you ever learnt this riff?



80's retrowave? Muse has great influences from that style, and when exploring this genre, I discovered this band:








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Adam
Oct 3 2020, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 3 2020, 06:04 PM) *
Oh! That sounds cool! Yeah, Van Halen was a big user of Phase 90 pedal. Have you ever learnt this riff?



80's retrowave? Muse has great influences from that style, and when exploring this genre, I discovered this band:











Arpeggios from hell? biggrin.gif


I've tried that EVH song back when I was fascinated by that era but I'm extremely bad at switching to G Major, the boy scouts version, as these are called in my country.
I checked that Phase 90 pedal but it's costly. I figured, I'd either assemble a clone unit over time or get one of these cheaper units. I've had very good experience with overdrive and my brother's chorus from that specific product line and decided to give it a go. I'm not disappointed at all! smile.gif

I only know Muse has a song that my friend botched in a funny way singing in high pitch. That other band, the Midnight sounds cool too!
Personally, I prefer instrumental retrowave and White Bat Audio ( youtube channel ) does amazing tracks! You should check him if you're interested in that genre smile.gif

Yes it is! Or maybe, it was supposed to be. But I've made a ton of progress. Before joining GMC, I could play the first 6 notes on low E string, if I even managed to get a lucky stretch. And then I had to take a break to let my sore hand relax. Now I can at least hit the notes at some slower pace, though it surely needs a lot more practice.
I wanted to try something different and since I'm trying to learn sweeping lately, I got back into the YJM phase.

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Gabriel Leopardi
Oct 4 2020, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 3 2020, 03:44 PM) *
I've tried that EVH song back when I was fascinated by that era but I'm extremely bad at switching to G Major, the boy scouts version, as these are called in my country.
I checked that Phase 90 pedal but it's costly. I figured, I'd either assemble a clone unit over time or get one of these cheaper units. I've had very good experience with overdrive and my brother's chorus from that specific product line and decided to give it a go. I'm not disappointed at all! smile.gif



Yeah! I think that Phaser pedals are really easy to clone. That's why there are many alternatives. If you are able to build one, go for it! You'll get a very convincing sound. The MXR one is a bit overpriced because it a classic.


QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 3 2020, 03:44 PM) *
I only know Muse has a song that my friend botched in a funny way singing in high pitch. That other band, the Midnight sounds cool too!
Personally, I prefer instrumental retrowave and White Bat Audio ( youtube channel ) does amazing tracks! You should check him if you're interested in that genre smile.gif


Thanks for the link!! While I was checking that youtube channel, I've also found this one which is really cool: https://youtu.be/_Ci0Kgdpgsw



QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 3 2020, 03:44 PM) *
Yes it is! Or maybe, it was supposed to be. But I've made a ton of progress. Before joining GMC, I could play the first 6 notes on low E string, if I even managed to get a lucky stretch. And then I had to take a break to let my sore hand relax. Now I can at least hit the notes at some slower pace, though it surely needs a lot more practice.
I wanted to try something different and since I'm trying to learn sweeping lately, I got back into the YJM phase.



Awesome!! You can play it very smoothly! It's not an easy etude... that's why it's called like that... laugh.gif

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Gabriel Leopardi
Oct 8 2020, 10:01 PM
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It's a bit quiet around here... rolleyes.gif

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Oct 9 2020, 08:09 AM
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He's still working!!! I think the next vid is on deck and will go up soon!!!

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Oct 9 2020, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 9 2020, 04:09 AM) *
He's still working!!! I think the next vid is on deck and will go up soon!!!



Great!! Thanks for the update!

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Adam
Oct 9 2020, 11:58 PM
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It's not much but I'm working on something larger. Can't tell if it's going to work but I'll try! smile.gif

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Oct 10 2020, 01:37 AM
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Looks like it's working!! Bit of pinky retraction to be tended but you are playing with more confidence each time!!

QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 9 2020, 06:58 PM) *
It's not much but I'm working on something larger. Can't tell if it's going to work but I'll try! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 9 2020, 07:58 PM) *
It's not much but I'm working on something larger. Can't tell if it's going to work but I'll try! smile.gif




Great to hear from you here! It must be tricky to play consistent vibrato using that thumbless technique!

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Oct 10 2020, 06:35 PM
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I just noticed that it looks like you are using thumbless during the vibrato? It's sorta hidden so I didn't see it at first. Thumbless is great for resetting the pressure on the hand. Also, for allowing the hand to make reach/stretch positions that it would not be able to reach otherwise. However, for licks that don't require long reach, putting the thumb back in to play, as a guide, is important. Also, for vibrato, the thumb serves as a counter balance. Playing vibrato is much more difficult without the thumb removed from the neck simply because all of the work must be done by the finger tips. Playing scales doesn't require the kind of counter balast that vibrato requires so finger tips only with just a bit of thumb for guiding the hand works well. For working on vibrato, try to place your thumb back on the neck and use it as a balancing measure which will allow your fingers to create deeper, longer vibrato.

Once the thumb is back in play, making the switch from a scale to holding a note and adding vibrato can be done smoothly and under control. I think you are ready to start adding the thumb back a bit, especially when doing vibrato. It may actually seem awkward at first to put the thumb back in play, it will be worth it though!! Ideally, it should only come off when making a long pinky stretch or when trying to prevent the hand from tensing, and then added back later as a guide. smile.gif


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Oct 10 2020, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 10 2020, 05:01 PM) *
Great to hear from you here! It must be tricky to play consistent vibrato using that thumbless technique!



QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 10 2020, 07:35 PM) *
I just noticed that it looks like you are using thumbless during the vibrato? It's sorta hidden so I didn't see it at first. Thumbless is great for resetting the pressure on the hand. Also, for allowing the hand to make reach/stretch positions that it would not be able to reach otherwise. However, for licks that don't require long reach, putting the thumb back in to play, as a guide, is important. Also, for vibrato, the thumb serves as a counter balance. Playing vibrato is much more difficult without the thumb removed from the neck simply because all of the work must be done by the finger tips. Playing scales doesn't require the kind of counter balast that vibrato requires so finger tips only with just a bit of thumb for guiding the hand works well. For working on vibrato, try to place your thumb back on the neck and use it as a balancing measure which will allow your fingers to create deeper, longer vibrato.

Once the thumb is back in play, making the switch from a scale to holding a note and adding vibrato can be done smoothly and under control. I think you are ready to start adding the thumb back a bit, especially when doing vibrato. It may actually seem awkward at first to put the thumb back in play, it will be worth it though!! Ideally, it should only come off when making a long pinky stretch or when trying to prevent the hand from tensing, and then added back later as a guide. smile.gif


I don't have a control over using the thumb or not. I mostly use it for all the chords and power chords but I don't think about stuff like "now I'll detach my thumb from the neck". It happens naturally and feels natural. Whenever I try to forcefully add the thumb where it feels odd, I lose my focus and control over the tempo. With the guitar in the classical position, I use my body as counter balance in a way. Likewise, if I try to detach the thumb where I need it on the neck, I also lose track of tempo and focus as well.

Is it okay to work on reinforcing that instead of forcing the thumb back in, so I can overcome the drawbacks I might experience later or is it something that definitely needs changing back to regular way?

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Oct 11 2020, 01:32 AM
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It's something worth considering to be sure. You can "regain" the thumb with a bit of work and end up with a far better sense of control and vibrato as a result. It's all just part of the process. You've adapted to playing without the thumb which means you are not choking the strings with fret hand and are not over tensing. The next step is to add it back over time as a guide and as balast for deep vibrato. I'm sure you can adapt to this as well. It will feel odd for a bit as you've gotten used to playing without it. Once you readapt to it, you will have the best of both worlds, a lighter touch than what you started with and a bit of balance for bending/vibrato. Going thumbless is about either resetting hand pressure or allowing a greater reach. For bends/vibrato in particular, it's a good idea to have it back in the picture once the hand is reset to not over tense. Otherwise, vibrato and bending are both going to be perpettually hampered to some degree. You may find you start learning a lick without the thumb and later add it back. it only seems odd now as your hand has adapted to not using it for certain things. I'd say slowly start to try to add it back for bends/vibrato and such, where it does the most good. But don't feel rushed, it will just take some time. The result will be the next big step forward in your journey as a player.


QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 10 2020, 02:07 PM) *
I don't have a control over using the thumb or not. I mostly use it for all the chords and power chords but I don't think about stuff like "now I'll detach my thumb from the neck". It happens naturally and feels natural. Whenever I try to forcefully add the thumb where it feels odd, I lose my focus and control over the tempo. With the guitar in the classical position, I use my body as counter balance in a way. Likewise, if I try to detach the thumb where I need it on the neck, I also lose track of tempo and focus as well.

Is it okay to work on reinforcing that instead of forcing the thumb back in, so I can overcome the drawbacks I might experience later or is it something that definitely needs changing back to regular way?

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I agree with Todd here! I don't think that it can be positive to be switching from thumb to thumbless all the time. And based on what Todd says, (as he experimented with this idea), it shouldn't be a difficult task to get used again to your thumb. Maybe, you'll feel uncomfortable the first day/days but then you'll find it natural.

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It's meant to be part of the process, but not really meant to be part of standard play, typically. Once the hand pressure has been reset, the thumb make a good hand guide on the neck. Also during vibrato, the thumb is very handy to allow a counter balance for the hand and can help create deeper vibrato and better pitch control on bends. As you are now diving in to vibrato and bends, it's a good opportunity to regain the thumb and use it to help control bending/vibrato.

There are some times when a stretch is just too far for your hand to play and thumbless technique can come to the rescue!. But for standard play, it's really meant as a step along the way. Does that make sense?

Todd

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 11 2020, 11:00 AM) *
I agree with Todd here! I don't think that it can be positive to be switching from thumb to thumbless all the time. And based on what Todd says, (as he experimented with this idea), it shouldn't be a difficult task to get used again to your thumb. Maybe, you'll feel uncomfortable the first day/days but then you'll find it natural.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 12 2020, 04:23 PM) *
It's meant to be part of the process, but not really meant to be part of standard play, typically. Once the hand pressure has been reset, the thumb make a good hand guide on the neck. Also during vibrato, the thumb is very handy to allow a counter balance for the hand and can help create deeper vibrato and better pitch control on bends. As you are now diving in to vibrato and bends, it's a good opportunity to regain the thumb and use it to help control bending/vibrato.

There are some times when a stretch is just too far for your hand to play and thumbless technique can come to the rescue!. But for standard play, it's really meant as a step along the way. Does that make sense?

Todd



yes! it makes sense! Thanks for the clarification Todd!

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