Hey bro We can work here, as we discussed in the mail - since you decided on the LP tune, let's see what sort of changes you would like to apply in order to make it your own. As I said, this will not be easy, since it's already a rock tune Let me know what you have in mind
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-rhythm-test
This is what I have so far, just the main structure; you're gonna have to imagine the lead and vocal melody for now.
So you can follow along a bit easier - up to the chorus, it's the structure is same as the original.
Intro - 0:00 to 0:22 - Not sure if I like the riff yet, don't think it leads into the verse well enough. Might just copy the original and keep it simple, lemme know what you think.
Verse - 0:22 to 0:30 - Gonna add the vocal melody on top.
Solo 1 - 0:30 to 0:39 - See the guitar pro file, might have to move the toms a bit to fit the solo more. I like the 'jumpy' feel i've got going.
Pre Chorus - 0:39 to 0:52 - Again, just vocal melody on top; maybe i'll add some lead 'build up' in the background.
Chorus - 0:52 to 1:09 - Think the riff sounds good and in my head the melody fits; i'll add slides and stuff to make the melody more interesting.
Bridge - 1:09 to 1:29 - Skip to 2:02 in the video. There's gonna be a scale run to lead into the solo at the end of this part. Cut out the second verse and chorus, don't think anyone will want to listen to those parts again.
Main Solo - 1:29 to 1:47 - Probably won't show you this part when it's done unless I really need help; leave it a surprise. What I have so far sounds great though.
Rest of it is just the chorus again then the outro.
Hey bro! Everything is GREAT!
There are two things coming to my mind right now
In the chorus part - that little intervention at about 0:58 clashes with the main vocal line - I know the song very well and I sang over. You might need to change that one to fit the vocal line
You will need vocals - do you have anyone to record for ya?
I haven't yet gotten a chance to listen to the GP file as I am on my laptop now - in a few hours I'll get to the studio PC where I have the GP installed and will send my impressions on the solo - the composition, anyway, because in order to hear it properly, you need to record it GP has nothing to do with expression and articulation, as you know very well
All in all - good job so far and I like the intro riff - to be frank, I wouldn't change that one at all.
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test
Sorry for the sloppy playing, i'll re-record when i'm happy with the arrangement. I know you're not supposed to think about the mix at this stage, but when I started recording I got the feeling that some parts weren't gonna work. And I've recorded enough stuff with my gear to know when I can 'fix' something in post production or not.
Maybe my ears are just tired and i'm overthinking it.
Does it sound weird when I first go from the vocal line into the solo? I took out the rhythm guitars and added the harmonic fade-in to try and make the transition a bit more defined, still sounds a bit off to me.
About the second verse etc., I looked at my youtube analytics and the thing is, most people don't watch more than 2 minutes of my videos. That's why I cut so much out of the song and why it's going from each part so quickly.
Hey mate
About that solo... yeah, it's a bit off, because you are starting to tell a story and suddenly, you get to the part where the Prince is drawing the sword, before telling the people why he got to do that in the first place It may seem like a silly analogy, but, you are starting to lay down the vocal line and suddenly BANG! a solo out of nowhere
Music, even in its quirkiest of forms, has to have a flow and a natural occurrence as a structure - maybe I'm too old fashioned, but I don't know if that solo is really a good idea over there What do you think?
Extending the vocal part sure sounds like a good idea!
You need to create smooth transitions among the parts, in order to have a solid cover of this song - I will most probably be extra picky, because I love the original version But I like what you did so far - as long as you keep the flow, there's nothing that can go wrong with it!
Let's see the new verse+ solo version!
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test-2
Almost got it, just have to work on the ending phrase a bit more. Here's two different takes to listen to. Not sure if i'm ending on a good note or not for either one. I think the 2nd one sounds better; in my head I hear the note move down like in the first take, but I don't think it sounds right.
Hey mate - it sounds good to me, although it's different from what Chester is doing on the vocal line
You are missing a few notes - is that deliberate, or it wasn't on purpose?
Howdy mate!
Just listened an I think it sounds melodic and very nice into the context so far!
Two things I had in mind:
- around 0:06 there's an interval which sounds a bit weird - are you playing some chromatic notes there?
- I would spice up the bridge with some short but more guitar oriented licks, to create some flashiness between the long notes
Of course, these are my thoughts, what do you think?
Sorry, I'd love to make the bridge more interesting, but i'm having a really hard time fitting lead guitar into the mix; so i've been focusing on that. I had a lead build-up to the solo at 1:18 but it wasn't working out.
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test-3
edit: And the chorus bit, sounds like this solo'd. Rhythm is doing chromatic and lead is playing the melody. Maybe it's because i've been listening to it all week, but I think it sounds okay.
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-chorus
Hey mate!
Love the little build up phrase! It's melodic and it seems to fit nicely! I also love the way in which you have arranged the guitars and drums at 0:30 for instance - it's the sort of arrangement and riffing you would hear in old Lostprophets tunes!
About that chromaticism, well, if it suits your tastes, then go for it I am not that big a fan, but I guess it could work as a special addition to the song
So, is the video next? You are very creative dude! I like that A LOT!
Oh, alright mate, well, I think it's far better not to rush it, because it's tedious work and it would be a shame not to make it look as great as it sounds
Where are you going on holiday?
Whoa! Amazing! So you are of Chinese descent - your nation has an amazing history and cultural heritage!
I'm a big fan of the Asian culture in general and your philosophy, martial arts and food, just so you know Have fun there and keep me posted mate!
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-mix-test
Hey mate, got a lot more university work this year than expected so i've gotta put guitar stuff on hold.
Might as well post what i've got since I don't think you've heard the main solo yet, it's at 1:35. Not too sure about the harmonized lead-in though.
Lemme know what you think and if there's anything in the mix that needs fixing. Hopefully I can finish the video by the end of the month.
Hey matey, welcome back!
After listening to it again with a fresh mind, I liked it a lot, but the mix sounds a bit too crowded to me - mind you that I am listening on the laptop, not on the monitors, so that may be a bit deceiving.
Otherwise, the first solo has some parts which could be played cleaner in respect to execution around 0:42 - 0:46, but otherwise, the second one is pretty amazing with the harmonized intro! I like it! So, let's see the video then and if I may ask - are you planning to promote this strongly or what do you intend to do with it? And how about that competition you were in? We need to catch up
Hey mate Wow, it's cool to hear that Chester is THAT involved with communicating with his fans. I don't know how many artists are really taking care of their own accounts on social media. So, big up for Chester!
Anyway, it seems that my ears are not dead yet So, my suggestion here is to try and clean up the mix a bit and maybe take some time to practice that solo some more, because if you want to have the video done and especially present it to Chester, I guess you would want it to be in tip top shape, right? So, slow things down a bit and practice it at a low tempo until you can play it relaxed, articulated and clean.
What else have you been working on?
Hey bro! Looking forward to see the final video version for the LP tune Hmmm - these guys have done amazing cover versions of One Republic's 'Apologize' - check them out, maybe they are good for inspiration:
These are both featuring voals as well, but I think that the vocal layering in the first one could be of interest to you
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/idea
Here's a rough intro for a song idea; it's only the main/chorus melody right now. It'll probably cut into a verse part where I stop playing the lead. (Around 0:27)
Hey buddy A bit too heavy metal for my taste, but it sounds good nevertheless!
It's indeed too long and I'd cut it even shorter if you ask me It all depends on the structure that follows, of course What do you have in mind in respect to that?
Hmmm You already have the intro part - why not try to use this one as a main theme and maybe develop it a little bit further, in order to polish it a bit? It's always easier and more surefooted to begin with something you have Will there be no 'chorus'?
Hey bro!
Pretty cool, is an understatement! It looks stunning - I'm also looking forward to see the video
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/apologize-idea
Here's a midi intro idea for the Apologize cover. Do you think the main riff is too repetitive? Right now I have the same thing going up to the chorus, so after the soundcloud file ends, it repeats itself.
I want it to be interesting but at the same time, the lead/vocal melody is going to be the focus anyway.
Hey bro - I liked the idea of the groove in the beginning - it has a shuffle pulse Why not use it in the entire song? It will not only make things sound more interesting but it will also bring the whole cover a different rhythmic approach!
Hey mate
I like the combination too - that's why I think I resonate so much with your style and work I like the idea, but I would enrich it a bit more, with ambiental sounds - some pads maybe, which will make it sound dreamier - otherwise, it will sound too close to the main line I think. So, you will stick to keeping the shuffle in the intro?
The guy is right! That's the idea of catchiness, I think? Everyone can remember a famous song with a catchy theme/ chord progression - see Long train running from the Doobie Brothers - that one has a VERY well known chord progression It would be interesting to take this idea and put it into practice under the form of building a theme in your cover - what do you think?
Cosmin
Hey mate - thank you for the video - I shall definitely watch it and as it just came to me - the direction that I had in mind about the pads and ambiental atmosphere, revolves a bit around the direction of this song here:
What do you think? I too aim on experimenting with more electronic sounds let's say and I'm aiming to nail a first video in this direction soon enough So, what will the final structure look like for this cover?
https://soundcloud.com/socky42/apologize-bridge-wip
Here's what I have now with and without the midi vocal line for the bridge. Originally, I had the panning clean guitar after every chord (e.g. 1:15); but with the vocal melody, the piano and the pads, I think it starts to get a bit messy. Do you think it's too much at 0:32?
Clean guitars are real btw.
NO WAY! Don't change anything man! I simply LOVE it - that intervention at 0:16 is so sweet! Great work! I am really excited about this one as it's very musical and balanced. I also think that the structure makes sense for an isntrumental version - too many repetitive parts would be boring! You are well on your way, man! I am really proud and looking forward on the outcome!!
Hey mate - I thought that having them play the main melody would be interesting as it can have an introductory feeling and it can showcase their distinct musical personalities which can be emphasized on the theme - they will play it differently And it will be very obvious, so yeah, keeping the melody for them would be great! The more I listen to it, the more I like it! Good work matey!
Actually, do you wanna take this section? You're helping me out with cover stuff anyway, might as well get you in on one of them!
I've got some other projects that need solos, so I can always collab with others later. BTW, would the GMC approach work if I wanted to work with someone? I'd give them a backing track and let them go at it?
I'm only asking because, e.g. For this bridge section, we have this idea of the first half of the melody staying the same, then a solo. But at the same time, I don't wanna ask for too much from someone -
Personally, if I was 'forced' to use a melody then write a solo leading on from it, I'd feel very restricted in what I can do - there's definitely some extra work involved in transitioning from melody -> solo vs. me going, "Here's a 16 bar backing, do whatever you want over it."
After reading what I wrote though, i'm not sure if that made much sense...
If you're up for it, here's the backing track and there's a midi mockup of what the harmonized run would sound like at the end. If you need a couple more bars, lemme know or loop it yourself and I can fix it up later. And I assume you can work the melody out for yourself and won't need tabs, it's literally 4 notes.
Hey bro!
I'd be delighted to and to your surprise, for me it makes a lot of sense and it doesn't sound restrictive at all It's far easier to get creative being given some guidelines, rather then being put in front of a 'blank' piece of paper and not knowing where to start from Of course you can always post about your projects and invite people to take part and record - it's what GMC is all about - collaboration and helping each other grow through it
Now, I'm a bit stranded here in terms of recording means, as my audio interface is on its way (I checked the order status and it's still in Vienna). I hope I will receive my new device and be ready to record next week - by the way, what sort of a deadline do you have in mind?
Didn't really think about it from that perspective. Guess at the end of the day, it just depends on the individual and how they approach writing.
Nothing too strict for the deadline, i'm pushing this video back to around February/March time; really wanna get one of my originals finished and get some guest solos in.
No rush, so let's just say the last week of February? I don't have access to any recording gear till mid January anyway, went back to my parents house for the holidays. I'll probably finish recording the rest of this cover by the end of February - None of the riffs and melody lines are that challenging to play. Only thing that might slow me down is if I can't play the solo i've written, not actually tried yet so...fingers crossed.
So i'm going to need -
Video - Ideally 720p but if you can't that's fine, I can work around it. Do whatever you want, either one continuous take or multiple shots from different angles. You've got that GoPro right? Would be cool to see it in action.
Your guitar track with the backing track as a reference.
And your DI guitar recording (.wav or .aif), makes mixing a lot easier.
That sounds absolutely great for me, mate It will be done!
Well, yeah, I do believe that each and every one of us is different, but for me the 'creativity under the gun' idea has proven useful a lot of times For my band, as well - for instance, when we were not able to decide on the final versions of the songs for our first EP, I took the initiative and started the preparations for the release events and the others were pretty pissed about it, but in the end they recognized that if we wouldn'te have been forced to be ready for the release concert at the established date, we wouldn't have sorted the material out ever
Looks like I will receive my audio interface tomorrow, if UPS is honest
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