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Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 5 2014, 08:54 PM

Hey bro wink.gif We can work here, as we discussed in the mail - since you decided on the LP tune, let's see what sort of changes you would like to apply in order to make it your own. As I said, this will not be easy, since it's already a rock tune smile.gif Let me know what you have in mind smile.gif

Posted by: Socky42 Aug 5 2014, 09:47 PM



https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-rhythm-test

This is what I have so far, just the main structure; you're gonna have to imagine the lead and vocal melody for now. laugh.gif
So you can follow along a bit easier - up to the chorus, it's the structure is same as the original.

Intro - 0:00 to 0:22 - Not sure if I like the riff yet, don't think it leads into the verse well enough. Might just copy the original and keep it simple, lemme know what you think.

Verse - 0:22 to 0:30 - Gonna add the vocal melody on top.

Solo 1 - 0:30 to 0:39 - See the guitar pro file, might have to move the toms a bit to fit the solo more. I like the 'jumpy' feel i've got going.

Pre Chorus - 0:39 to 0:52 - Again, just vocal melody on top; maybe i'll add some lead 'build up' in the background.

Chorus - 0:52 to 1:09 - Think the riff sounds good and in my head the melody fits; i'll add slides and stuff to make the melody more interesting.

Bridge - 1:09 to 1:29 - Skip to 2:02 in the video. There's gonna be a scale run to lead into the solo at the end of this part. Cut out the second verse and chorus, don't think anyone will want to listen to those parts again. laugh.gif

Main Solo - 1:29 to 1:47 - Probably won't show you this part when it's done unless I really need help; leave it a surprise. What I have so far sounds great though.

Rest of it is just the chorus again then the outro.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 6 2014, 07:38 AM

Hey bro! Everything is GREAT!

There are two things coming to my mind right now wink.gif

In the chorus part - that little intervention at about 0:58 clashes with the main vocal line - I know the song very well and I sang over. You might need to change that one to fit the vocal line smile.gif

You will need vocals - do you have anyone to record for ya?

I haven't yet gotten a chance to listen to the GP file as I am on my laptop now - in a few hours I'll get to the studio PC where I have the GP installed and will send my impressions on the solo - the composition, anyway, because in order to hear it properly, you need to record it biggrin.gif GP has nothing to do with expression and articulation, as you know very well smile.gif

All in all - good job so far and I like the intro riff - to be frank, I wouldn't change that one at all.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 6 2014, 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Socky42 @ Aug 5 2014, 08:47 PM) *


https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-rhythm-test

This is what I have so far, just the main structure; you're gonna have to imagine the lead and vocal melody for now. laugh.gif
So you can follow along a bit easier - up to the chorus, it's the structure is same as the original.

Intro - 0:00 to 0:22 - Not sure if I like the riff yet, don't think it leads into the verse well enough. Might just copy the original and keep it simple, lemme know what you think.

Verse - 0:22 to 0:30 - Gonna add the vocal melody on top.

Solo 1 - 0:30 to 0:39 - See the guitar pro file, might have to move the toms a bit to fit the solo more. I like the 'jumpy' feel i've got going.

Pre Chorus - 0:39 to 0:52 - Again, just vocal melody on top; maybe i'll add some lead 'build up' in the background.

Chorus - 0:52 to 1:09 - Think the riff sounds good and in my head the melody fits; i'll add slides and stuff to make the melody more interesting.

Bridge - 1:09 to 1:29 - Skip to 2:02 in the video. There's gonna be a scale run to lead into the solo at the end of this part. Cut out the second verse and chorus, don't think anyone will want to listen to those parts again. laugh.gif

Main Solo - 1:29 to 1:47 - Probably won't show you this part when it's done unless I really need help; leave it a surprise. What I have so far sounds great though.

Rest of it is just the chorus again then the outro.


Just listened to the solo!

I like the note choice and the phrasing, as much as the GP allows me to imagine it in my head wink.gif Now, I'd loove to hear it played by you, so that I may hear the expression factor as well! I'd slide the last note downwards, in order to smoothly transition to the next part - just an idea wink.gif

What do you think?

Posted by: Socky42 Aug 6 2014, 09:25 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Aug 6 2014, 07:38 AM) *
Hey bro! Everything is GREAT!

In the chorus part - that little intervention at about 0:58 clashes with the main vocal line - I know the song very well and I sang over. You might need to change that one to fit the vocal line smile.gif

You will need vocals - do you have anyone to record for ya?


Good to know there aren't any major problems with what I have. laugh.gif

I'm going to be playing the vocal melody with lead guitar. For the chorus, i'll try changing the rhythm of the vocal line first, maybe add a lead fill or something. Should have a rough recording later today with the first solo and vocal stuff in.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 7 2014, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (Socky42 @ Aug 6 2014, 08:25 AM) *
Good to know there aren't any major problems with what I have. laugh.gif

I'm going to be playing the vocal melody with lead guitar. For the chorus, i'll try changing the rhythm of the vocal line first, maybe add a lead fill or something. Should have a rough recording later today with the first solo and vocal stuff in.


Alrightie then wink.gif Show me what you've got - now, I was thinking about not adding the second verse and bridge - why not add them and re-orchestrate in a whole different manner. I was thinking of something more atmospheric, that could TOTALLY break out of the metal line, just to add diversity and a surprise factor. In this way, the listener's ear will be kept active throughout the tune smile.gif

What do you think? Especially that you want to play the vocal line with the guitar and thus, you could develop variations on the vocal line in the contexts of the two differently orchestrated verse and bridge parts.

Posted by: Socky42 Aug 7 2014, 08:17 PM

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test

Sorry for the sloppy playing, i'll re-record when i'm happy with the arrangement. I know you're not supposed to think about the mix at this stage, but when I started recording I got the feeling that some parts weren't gonna work. And I've recorded enough stuff with my gear to know when I can 'fix' something in post production or not.

Maybe my ears are just tired and i'm overthinking it. laugh.gif

Does it sound weird when I first go from the vocal line into the solo? I took out the rhythm guitars and added the harmonic fade-in to try and make the transition a bit more defined, still sounds a bit off to me.

About the second verse etc., I looked at my youtube analytics and the thing is, most people don't watch more than 2 minutes of my videos. That's why I cut so much out of the song and why it's going from each part so quickly. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 8 2014, 07:22 AM

Hey mate smile.gif

About that solo... yeah, it's a bit off, because you are starting to tell a story and suddenly, you get to the part where the Prince is drawing the sword, before telling the people why he got to do that in the first place biggrin.gif It may seem like a silly analogy, but, you are starting to lay down the vocal line and suddenly BANG! a solo out of nowhere smile.gif

Music, even in its quirkiest of forms, has to have a flow and a natural occurrence as a structure - maybe I'm too old fashioned, but I don't know if that solo is really a good idea over there smile.gif What do you think?

Posted by: Socky42 Aug 8 2014, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Aug 8 2014, 07:22 AM) *
Hey mate smile.gif

About that solo... yeah, it's a bit off, because you are starting to tell a story and suddenly, you get to the part where the Prince is drawing the sword, before telling the people why he got to do that in the first place biggrin.gif It may seem like a silly analogy, but, you are starting to lay down the vocal line and suddenly BANG! a solo out of nowhere smile.gif

Music, even in its quirkiest of forms, has to have a flow and a natural occurrence as a structure - maybe I'm too old fashioned, but I don't know if that solo is really a good idea over there smile.gif What do you think?


Thanks man,

I'll try extending that vocal part to the original 8 bars first, add some resolution to the part instead of cutting straight into a solo; because I like the way the solo goes into the 'rapping' pre-chorus.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 9 2014, 03:25 PM

Extending the vocal part sure sounds like a good idea!

You need to create smooth transitions among the parts, in order to have a solid cover of this song - I will most probably be extra picky, because I love the original version wink.gif But I like what you did so far - as long as you keep the flow, there's nothing that can go wrong with it!

Let's see the new verse+ solo version!

Posted by: Socky42 Aug 9 2014, 04:07 PM

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test-2

Almost got it, just have to work on the ending phrase a bit more. Here's two different takes to listen to. Not sure if i'm ending on a good note or not for either one. I think the 2nd one sounds better; in my head I hear the note move down like in the first take, but I don't think it sounds right.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 10 2014, 10:31 PM

Hey mate - it sounds good to me, although it's different from what Chester is doing on the vocal line wink.gif

You are missing a few notes - is that deliberate, or it wasn't on purpose?

Posted by: Socky42 Aug 12 2014, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Aug 10 2014, 10:31 PM) *
Hey mate - it sounds good to me, although it's different from what Chester is doing on the vocal line wink.gif

You are missing a few notes - is that deliberate, or it wasn't on purpose?


Yeah, it was deliberate.

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-dry-chorus-bridge

Here's the chorus and bridge. Took out all the effects and stuff for now, they were slowing down my computer too much. laugh.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 14 2014, 12:00 PM

Howdy mate!

Just listened an I think it sounds melodic and very nice into the context so far!

Two things I had in mind:

- around 0:06 there's an interval which sounds a bit weird - are you playing some chromatic notes there?
- I would spice up the bridge with some short but more guitar oriented licks, to create some flashiness between the long notes

Of course, these are my thoughts, what do you think?

QUOTE (Socky42 @ Aug 12 2014, 02:38 PM) *
Yeah, it was deliberate.

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-dry-chorus-bridge

Here's the chorus and bridge. Took out all the effects and stuff for now, they were slowing down my computer too much. laugh.gif


Posted by: Socky42 Aug 15 2014, 02:49 AM

Sorry, I'd love to make the bridge more interesting, but i'm having a really hard time fitting lead guitar into the mix; so i've been focusing on that. I had a lead build-up to the solo at 1:18 but it wasn't working out. laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test-3

edit: And the chorus bit, sounds like this solo'd. Rhythm is doing chromatic and lead is playing the melody. Maybe it's because i've been listening to it all week, but I think it sounds okay. biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-chorus

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 16 2014, 07:17 AM

Hey mate!

Love the little build up phrase! It's melodic and it seems to fit nicely! I also love the way in which you have arranged the guitars and drums at 0:30 for instance - it's the sort of arrangement and riffing you would hear in old Lostprophets tunes!

About that chromaticism, well, if it suits your tastes, then go for it smile.gif I am not that big a fan, but I guess it could work as a special addition to the song wink.gif

So, is the video next? smile.gif You are very creative dude! I like that A LOT!

QUOTE (Socky42 @ Aug 15 2014, 01:49 AM) *
Sorry, I'd love to make the bridge more interesting, but i'm having a really hard time fitting lead guitar into the mix; so i've been focusing on that. I had a lead build-up to the solo at 1:18 but it wasn't working out. laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-test-3

edit: And the chorus bit, sounds like this solo'd. Rhythm is doing chromatic and lead is playing the melody. Maybe it's because i've been listening to it all week, but I think it sounds okay. biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-chorus


Posted by: Socky42 Aug 16 2014, 01:00 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Aug 16 2014, 07:17 AM) *
Hey mate!

Love the little build up phrase! It's melodic and it seems to fit nicely! I also love the way in which you have arranged the guitars and drums at 0:30 for instance - it's the sort of arrangement and riffing you would hear in old Lostprophets tunes!

About that chromaticism, well, if it suits your tastes, then go for it smile.gif I am not that big a fan, but I guess it could work as a special addition to the song wink.gif

So, is the video next? smile.gif You are very creative dude! I like that A LOT!


Yeah, the video is next. I'm going on holiday tomorrow for a month. Thought I could finish it in the time I had left, but at least I got the arrangement and most of the mix down. biggrin.gif

I'm back on September 17th, so it should be done a couple days after that.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 17 2014, 10:58 AM

Oh, alright mate, well, I think it's far better not to rush it, because it's tedious work and it would be a shame not to make it look as great as it sounds biggrin.gif

Where are you going on holiday?


Posted by: Socky42 Aug 17 2014, 11:48 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Aug 17 2014, 10:58 AM) *
Oh, alright mate, well, I think it's far better not to rush it, because it's tedious work and it would be a shame not to make it look as great as it sounds biggrin.gif

Where are you going on holiday?


I'm going to China, just visiting family.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 18 2014, 07:10 AM

Whoa! Amazing! So you are of Chinese descent - your nation has an amazing history and cultural heritage!

I'm a big fan of the Asian culture in general and your philosophy, martial arts and food, just so you know wink.gif Have fun there and keep me posted mate!

QUOTE (Socky42 @ Aug 17 2014, 10:48 AM) *
I'm going to China, just visiting family.


Posted by: Socky42 Oct 5 2014, 12:39 AM

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/lp-mix-test

Hey mate, got a lot more university work this year than expected so i've gotta put guitar stuff on hold. laugh.gif
Might as well post what i've got since I don't think you've heard the main solo yet, it's at 1:35. Not too sure about the harmonized lead-in though.

Lemme know what you think and if there's anything in the mix that needs fixing. Hopefully I can finish the video by the end of the month.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 5 2014, 07:56 PM

Hey matey, welcome back!

After listening to it again with a fresh mind, I liked it a lot, but the mix sounds a bit too crowded to me - mind you that I am listening on the laptop, not on the monitors, so that may be a bit deceiving.

Otherwise, the first solo has some parts which could be played cleaner in respect to execution around 0:42 - 0:46, but otherwise, the second one is pretty amazing with the harmonized intro! I like it! biggrin.gif So, let's see the video then and if I may ask - are you planning to promote this strongly or what do you intend to do with it? And how about that competition you were in? We need to catch up smile.gif

Posted by: Socky42 Oct 6 2014, 12:30 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 5 2014, 07:56 PM) *
Hey matey, welcome back!

After listening to it again with a fresh mind, I liked it a lot, but the mix sounds a bit too crowded to me - mind you that I am listening on the laptop, not on the monitors, so that may be a bit deceiving.

Otherwise, the first solo has some parts which could be played cleaner in respect to execution around 0:42 - 0:46, but otherwise, the second one is pretty amazing with the harmonized intro! I like it! biggrin.gif So, let's see the video then and if I may ask - are you planning to promote this strongly or what do you intend to do with it? And how about that competition you were in? We need to catch up smile.gif


Had a listen on my laptop speakers too, the mix translated a lot better than I thought it would. But yeah, I can definitely work on clearing it up a bit. Think it's mainly the rhythm guitars getting in the way.

If I have time i'll give re-recording the first solo a try but I don't think I can improve on it much right now; still a bit sloppy from the break. laugh.gif

Didn't win the competition unfortunately, but I was in the judging phase and know Devin Townsend listened to it.

Dunno about promoting other than the obvious; YouTube subscribers, facebook page etc. I think Chester from the band is semi-active on twitter and interacts with fans on there every now and then; so tweeting the video at him is worth a try.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 6 2014, 08:08 AM

Hey mate smile.gif Wow, it's cool to hear that Chester is THAT involved with communicating with his fans. I don't know how many artists are really taking care of their own accounts on social media. So, big up for Chester!

Anyway, it seems that my ears are not dead yet laugh.gif So, my suggestion here is to try and clean up the mix a bit and maybe take some time to practice that solo some more, because if you want to have the video done and especially present it to Chester, I guess you would want it to be in tip top shape, right? smile.gif So, slow things down a bit and practice it at a low tempo until you can play it relaxed, articulated and clean.

What else have you been working on?

Posted by: Socky42 Oct 21 2014, 06:36 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 6 2014, 08:08 AM) *
Hey mate smile.gif Wow, it's cool to hear that Chester is THAT involved with communicating with his fans. I don't know how many artists are really taking care of their own accounts on social media. So, big up for Chester!

Anyway, it seems that my ears are not dead yet laugh.gif So, my suggestion here is to try and clean up the mix a bit and maybe take some time to practice that solo some more, because if you want to have the video done and especially present it to Chester, I guess you would want it to be in tip top shape, right? smile.gif So, slow things down a bit and practice it at a low tempo until you can play it relaxed, articulated and clean.

What else have you been working on?


Still haven't had much time to play guitar unfortunately, but I have two more planned covers after this one; Apologize by OneRepublic and Starships by Nicki Minaj. Got a basic structure down for both but nothing recorded yet.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 22 2014, 07:46 AM

Hey bro! Looking forward to see the final video version for the LP tune wink.gif Hmmm - these guys have done amazing cover versions of One Republic's 'Apologize' - check them out, maybe they are good for inspiration:





These are both featuring voals as well, but I think that the vocal layering in the first one could be of interest to you wink.gif

Posted by: Socky42 Nov 23 2014, 07:22 PM

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/idea

Here's a rough intro for a song idea; it's only the main/chorus melody right now. It'll probably cut into a verse part where I stop playing the lead. (Around 0:27)


Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 24 2014, 11:11 AM

Hey buddy smile.gif A bit too heavy metal for my taste, but it sounds good nevertheless!

It's indeed too long and I'd cut it even shorter if you ask me smile.gif It all depends on the structure that follows, of course smile.gif What do you have in mind in respect to that?

Posted by: Socky42 Nov 27 2014, 02:14 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 24 2014, 10:11 AM) *
Hey buddy smile.gif A bit too heavy metal for my taste, but it sounds good nevertheless!

It's indeed too long and I'd cut it even shorter if you ask me smile.gif It all depends on the structure that follows, of course smile.gif What do you have in mind in respect to that?


It'll just be another instrumental track; so something like intro -> verse idea a -> verse idea b -> solo -> verse c -> outro. Guess the biggest challenge is having some sort of 'theme' throughout but at the same time, not be too repetitive.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 27 2014, 08:35 AM

Hmmm smile.gif You already have the intro part - why not try to use this one as a main theme and maybe develop it a little bit further, in order to polish it a bit? It's always easier and more surefooted to begin with something you have smile.gif Will there be no 'chorus'?

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 11 2014, 12:46 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 27 2014, 07:35 AM) *
Hmmm smile.gif You already have the intro part - why not try to use this one as a main theme and maybe develop it a little bit further, in order to polish it a bit? It's always easier and more surefooted to begin with something you have smile.gif Will there be no 'chorus'?


Right..choruses..I'll figure something out. laugh.gif



Finished filming the video btw, just need to upload it now. Here's a sneak peek, first time filming at night turned out pretty cool!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 11 2014, 10:37 AM

Hey bro!

Pretty cool, is an understatement! biggrin.gif It looks stunning - I'm also looking forward to see the video wink.gif

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 13 2014, 07:03 PM

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/apologize-idea

Here's a midi intro idea for the Apologize cover. Do you think the main riff is too repetitive? Right now I have the same thing going up to the chorus, so after the soundcloud file ends, it repeats itself.

I want it to be interesting but at the same time, the lead/vocal melody is going to be the focus anyway.


Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 14 2014, 01:37 PM

Hey bro - I liked the idea of the groove in the beginning - it has a shuffle pulse smile.gif Why not use it in the entire song? It will not only make things sound more interesting but it will also bring the whole cover a different rhythmic approach!

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 14 2014, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 14 2014, 12:37 PM) *
Hey bro - I liked the idea of the groove in the beginning - it has a shuffle pulse smile.gif Why not use it in the entire song? It will not only make things sound more interesting but it will also bring the whole cover a different rhythmic approach!


https://soundcloud.com/socky42/apologize-bridge


Hmm, I do have this piano break and bridge section done...But I like the contrast between metal and electronic 'themes'; when it's upbeat have the rock/metal stuff go on. When it's slower, have all the pads and synths with electro drums.

There's a guy called Mike Verta (http://mikeverta.com/), he composes for films etc. One of the things he goes on about in his lessons is having the audience being able to connect with certain patterns/themes; be it rhythmic, melodic or whatever. Just something consistent.

And I don't think I can keep the shuffle thing interesting for the whole song.

Sorry for using midi btw, just a lot easier to tweak. laugh.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 15 2014, 05:11 PM

Hey mate smile.gif

I like the combination too - that's why I think I resonate so much with your style and work wink.gif I like the idea, but I would enrich it a bit more, with ambiental sounds - some pads maybe, which will make it sound dreamier - otherwise, it will sound too close to the main line I think. So, you will stick to keeping the shuffle in the intro?

The guy is right! That's the idea of catchiness, I think? Everyone can remember a famous song with a catchy theme/ chord progression - see Long train running from the Doobie Brothers - that one has a VERY well known chord progression biggrin.gif It would be interesting to take this idea and put it into practice under the form of building a theme in your cover - what do you think?

Cosmin

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 15 2014, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 15 2014, 04:11 PM) *
Hey mate smile.gif

I like the combination too - that's why I think I resonate so much with your style and work wink.gif I like the idea, but I would enrich it a bit more, with ambiental sounds - some pads maybe, which will make it sound dreamier - otherwise, it will sound too close to the main line I think. So, you will stick to keeping the shuffle in the intro?

The guy is right! That's the idea of catchiness, I think? Everyone can remember a famous song with a catchy theme/ chord progression - see Long train running from the Doobie Brothers - that one has a VERY well known chord progression biggrin.gif It would be interesting to take this idea and put it into practice under the form of building a theme in your cover - what do you think?

Cosmin


Yeah, i'm definitely still using the same intro from the first clip, i'll work on the ambience a bit with pads, synths and mess around with some more delayed clean guitars.



If you get a chance, you should check out the first 8 minutes of this video. He explains composing and connecting with the listener in a very interesting way, really changed the way I think about writing. Granted he's talking about film/tv scores but I think the same concepts still apply.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 16 2014, 11:47 AM

Hey mate - thank you for the video - I shall definitely watch it and as it just came to me - the direction that I had in mind about the pads and ambiental atmosphere, revolves a bit around the direction of this song here:



What do you think? smile.gif I too aim on experimenting with more electronic sounds let's say and I'm aiming to nail a first video in this direction soon enough smile.gif So, what will the final structure look like for this cover?

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 20 2014, 03:19 AM

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/apologize-bridge-wip

Here's what I have now with and without the midi vocal line for the bridge. Originally, I had the panning clean guitar after every chord (e.g. 1:15); but with the vocal melody, the piano and the pads, I think it starts to get a bit messy. Do you think it's too much at 0:32?

Clean guitars are real btw. laugh.gif

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 16 2014, 10:47 AM) *
So, what will the final structure look like for this cover?


Intro and Verse (from the first soundcloud link) -> Chorus -> Bridge -> Solo -> Chorus -> Piano Outro

Technically, the bridge section is the verse again but with the ambient theme. The bridge from the original isn't that great; it's just some electric guitar thing.

And transitioning from the bridge to solo is going to be the same as my Numb cover, harmonized run into the solo.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 20 2014, 09:58 AM

NO WAY! Don't change anything man! I simply LOVE it - that intervention at 0:16 is so sweet! Great work! biggrin.gif I am really excited about this one as it's very musical and balanced. I also think that the structure makes sense for an isntrumental version - too many repetitive parts would be boring! You are well on your way, man! I am really proud and looking forward on the outcome!!

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 22 2014, 02:27 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 20 2014, 08:58 AM) *
NO WAY! Don't change anything man! I simply LOVE it - that intervention at 0:16 is so sweet! Great work! biggrin.gif I am really excited about this one as it's very musical and balanced. I also think that the structure makes sense for an isntrumental version - too many repetitive parts would be boring! You are well on your way, man! I am really proud and looking forward on the outcome!!


Great! Was worried you weren't gonna like it! laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/socky42/bridge-section

I kinda wanna fit another solo in the bridge, know one or two other guys on YouTube that would be down for a guest solo part.
When you break it down, it's just four chords looped; so say I have them play the melody from 0:02 to 0:18 (so just the first half of the melody), then loop it for another 8-16 bars for their own solo, do you think that would work?

Or should I cut out the melody completely and let them have the entire section?


Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 22 2014, 11:12 AM

Hey mate - I thought that having them play the main melody would be interesting as it can have an introductory feeling and it can showcase their distinct musical personalities which can be emphasized on the theme - they will play it differently biggrin.gif And it will be very obvious, so yeah, keeping the melody for them would be great! The more I listen to it, the more I like it! Good work matey!

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 27 2014, 01:39 AM

Actually, do you wanna take this section? You're helping me out with cover stuff anyway, might as well get you in on one of them! laugh.gif

I've got some other projects that need solos, so I can always collab with others later. BTW, would the GMC approach work if I wanted to work with someone? I'd give them a backing track and let them go at it?

I'm only asking because, e.g. For this bridge section, we have this idea of the first half of the melody staying the same, then a solo. But at the same time, I don't wanna ask for too much from someone -

Personally, if I was 'forced' to use a melody then write a solo leading on from it, I'd feel very restricted in what I can do - there's definitely some extra work involved in transitioning from melody -> solo vs. me going, "Here's a 16 bar backing, do whatever you want over it."

After reading what I wrote though, i'm not sure if that made much sense...biggrin.gif

If you're up for it, here's the backing track and there's a midi mockup of what the harmonized run would sound like at the end. If you need a couple more bars, lemme know or loop it yourself and I can fix it up later. And I assume you can work the melody out for yourself and won't need tabs, it's literally 4 notes. laugh.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 27 2014, 09:55 AM

Hey bro!

I'd be delighted to and to your surprise, for me it makes a lot of sense and it doesn't sound restrictive at all smile.gif It's far easier to get creative being given some guidelines, rather then being put in front of a 'blank' piece of paper and not knowing where to start from wink.gif Of course you can always post about your projects and invite people to take part and record - it's what GMC is all about - collaboration and helping each other grow through it smile.gif

Now, I'm a bit stranded here in terms of recording means, as my audio interface is on its way (I checked the order status and it's still in Vienna). I hope I will receive my new device and be ready to record next week - by the way, what sort of a deadline do you have in mind?

Posted by: Socky42 Dec 27 2014, 05:01 PM

Didn't really think about it from that perspective. Guess at the end of the day, it just depends on the individual and how they approach writing.

Nothing too strict for the deadline, i'm pushing this video back to around February/March time; really wanna get one of my originals finished and get some guest solos in.

No rush, so let's just say the last week of February? I don't have access to any recording gear till mid January anyway, went back to my parents house for the holidays. I'll probably finish recording the rest of this cover by the end of February - None of the riffs and melody lines are that challenging to play. Only thing that might slow me down is if I can't play the solo i've written, not actually tried yet so...fingers crossed. laugh.gif

So i'm going to need -
Video - Ideally 720p but if you can't that's fine, I can work around it. Do whatever you want, either one continuous take or multiple shots from different angles. You've got that GoPro right? Would be cool to see it in action.

Your guitar track with the backing track as a reference.

And your DI guitar recording (.wav or .aif), makes mixing a lot easier.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 28 2014, 12:07 PM

That sounds absolutely great for me, mate smile.gif It will be done!

Well, yeah, I do believe that each and every one of us is different, but for me the 'creativity under the gun' idea has proven useful a lot of times smile.gif For my band, as well - for instance, when we were not able to decide on the final versions of the songs for our first EP, I took the initiative and started the preparations for the release events and the others were pretty pissed about it, but in the end they recognized that if we wouldn'te have been forced to be ready for the release concert at the established date, we wouldn't have sorted the material out ever laugh.gif

Looks like I will receive my audio interface tomorrow, if UPS is honest biggrin.gif

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