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Aris's Composition & Technique Thread, for Gab's Army |
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Feb 11 2019, 06:11 PM |
Hi Aris! Welcome back to the Army!
This thread is a follow up to this one. As you've asked by PM, we will focus on composition and technique. Your favorite styles: punk rock, hardcore, grunge, garage - rock & Roll, garage-punk. At first we will start building a 30' technique routine and analyize a few songs while I give you some basic theory knowledge that is important to start composing. Could you please share 5 songs that you like a lot? -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 12 2019, 12:35 PM
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Hi Gabriel,
I mostly prefer the faster/louder stuff or at least quiet-loud stuff. Here are the first songs that come to my mind since most recently I m trying to play or i' d like to play them on the guitar. These are songs that I like a lot but I haven't been listening to much music lately. 1. the stooges - search & Destroy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPDeTf7qE00 2. wipers - over the edge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6B96NyaJ4 3. Social Distortion uninvited feelings / & their solos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyaG5kxe6M 4. the unseen - on the other side/Scream out/waste of time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owBV8m9BsCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzVe8IgpbSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzUKRS7jWsg 5. the virus - rats in the city/my life my world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZEmQnSvcTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMSD62fIWI 3. the rabble - reflections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXBP65QYHSY 6. Agent orange - the last goodbye/everything turns grey (solo!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6x_OWhVVhk 7. Fiddlar - stoked and broke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaacYYmDqZ0 8. Rise against - the Rise against lesson inlcludes the parts & the songs i like from this band Also I like a lot the skate punk lesson that you have made, which feels more aggressive than most skate punk stuff. Not sure I can find something like it. + some Hardcore music stuff: madball etc Thanks! |
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Feb 12 2019, 03:53 PM |
Excellent! Let's start!
These are two theory thread that you need to read: Finding the Key of a Song Simple Harmonies Please read both texts and let me know if you have any question about those concepts. Then, let's take the first song. Write down the structure, and the chords of each part. Regarding technique. My idea is to give you a 30 minutes technique practice routine. What do you think? Do you have enough time to do it every day? -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 13 2019, 10:39 AM
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Hi Gabriel,
Thanks a lot! I am starting tonight. I am fine with the technique practice too |
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Feb 13 2019, 03:19 PM |
TECHNIQUE ROUTINE 1:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Warmin...Finger-Fitness/ https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Progressive-Punk-Rock/ Let me know what you think! -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 15 2019, 04:04 PM |
Hi mate, which song are you analysing?
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Feb 17 2019, 08:40 PM
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Hi mate, which song are you analysing? Sorry forgot to mention. It 's the first one on the list (the stooges - search & Destroy), as you proposed. |
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Feb 18 2019, 01:19 PM |
Hi Aris, thanks!
The song structure is right. The key here is C#m so these are the notes from the scale: There are some wrong chords in your transcription. For example, the intro is C#5 and F#5, not G. There are some other issues but you most of the chords are right. From this analysis, we can get the type of structure, the fact that they are using a minor key, and you could incorporate in your vocabulary some of those progressions. The one used for the intro: I - IV, and the one used for the verse: I - VII - VI - VII. Does this make sense? -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 21 2019, 04:23 PM |
Did you derive the minor tonality from the transcrption or by ear and experience? I can't tell the minor tonality from the transcrption, since most of the chords are power chords and the minor chords that I see are related to the iii & vi chords, which are also minor in a major progression. This type of punk rock songs are tricky to analyse because they are not composed thinking on tonalities, they are done by ear, in many cases by musicians that combine chords that sound good without any theory knowledge. The result is that they end up creating very rich and unexpected chord combinations that include an important use of a concept called "modal interchange" which is based on borrowing chords from parallel tonalities. I say that this is minor only because the Iggy sings the minor third or C# in the melody. However, they also use C# major all the time. So they are switching from C# minor to C# major, or even C# mixolydian. As I've explained previously, this is not something planned so it makes no sense to become very strict with the names or concepts here. The idea is to get the idea of the combination of chords and grades that they are using, and getting the feel that they generate. Even when songs are played with 5th chords, it's very helpful to try the minor or major third over them to define by ear to get more information about the chord progression and possible concepts used. Does it make sense? What are the chord progressions for prechorus and chorus? prechorus: F#5 A5 Em AbSus chorus: Absus F#sus Esus B5 Pre chorus: F#5 A E Ab chorus: C#5 - B5 - A5 - B5 Should I try to apply the derived chord progressions somehow? Eg. Try to write a tune maybe? If you are already inspired, yes!! If not, we can get into another song. -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 23 2019, 06:54 PM |
Hi Gabriel, Yes it makes sense, I see what you mean. I ll have to try the minor third and major third over the song to see which one fits. Perhaps I could experiment around with those progressions, while We do another song to get more ideas. Which one do you suggest? Great! I would go for Rise Against, they have great and interesting songs.. -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 23 2019, 10:25 PM
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Ok, I m thinking one of the below or both
Which one do you think would fit the purpose better? rise against - injection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiGTVKuAHKA...VvkBvjZHr_YKODJ rise against - behind closed doors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkPCb-uEjaI...VvkBvjZHr_YKODJ |
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Feb 24 2019, 05:11 PM |
Hi Aris!
Both songs are great and like "brothers" in many senses. It would be interesting to analize both to see what I mean... -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 25 2019, 12:14 PM
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Great,
It crossed my mind too, that maybe I should do both Thanks, I 'll let you know! |
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Feb 25 2019, 03:35 PM |
Great, It crossed my mind too, that maybe I should do both Thanks, I 'll let you know! Excellent! -------------------- My lessons
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Mar 16 2019, 01:49 AM |
Hi mate! Great job with the chords and the structure. The best would be to identify the tonality of each song and try to write the grade (in roman numbers) of each chord. It really helps me to understand more what's happening with the chord progressions.
Another thing that I usually do is to give some attention to vocal melodies rhythm and note choices. It's a very important part of songs and band style. -------------------- My lessons
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