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jstcrsn
Jul 22 2021, 05:11 PM
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full article from the Americanbar https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_i...ld-abuse-cases/
The purpose of grooming is:

to manipulate the perceptions of other adults around the child.
to manipulate the child into becoming a co-operating participant which reduces the likelihood of a disclosure and increases the likelihood that the child will repeatedly return to the offender.
to reduce the likelihood of the child being believed if they do disclose.
to reduce the likelihood of the abuse being detected.8
Grooming behaviors
Key to understanding the concept of sexual grooming is recognizing common behaviors that predators use while grooming victims for sexual abuse. Common sexual grooming behaviors are often subtle and may not appear inappropriate. These behaviors include:

“An adult seems overly interested in a child.
An adult frequently initiates or creates opportunities to be alone with a child (or multiple children).
An adult becomes fixated on a child.
An adult gives special privileges to a child (e.g., rides to and from practices, etc.).
An adult befriends a family and shows more interest in building a relationship with the child than with the adults
An adult displays favoritism towards one child within a family.
An adult finds opportunities to buy a child gifts.
An adult caters to the interests of the child, so a child or the parent may initiate contact with the offender.
An adult who displays age and gender preferences.”9
Other behaviors predators may use during the grooming process are “[a]ctivities that can be sexually arousing to adults who have a sexual interest in children.”10 These behaviors include:
“bathing a child.
walking in on a child changing.
deliberately walking in on a child toileting.
asking a child to watch the adult toileting.
tickling and “accidentally” touching genitalia.
activities that involve removing clothes (massage, swimming).
wrestling in underwear.
playing games that include touching genitalia (playing doctor).
telling a child sexually explicit jokes.
teasing a child about breast and genital development.
discussing sexually explicit information under the guise of
education.
showing the child sexually explicit images.
taking pictures of children in underwear, bathing suits, dance wear, etc.”11

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Storm Linnebjerg
Jul 22 2021, 06:14 PM
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I think most of us know what grooming entails and is, but I'm not sure which ones of those are present in this show (feel free to enlighten me, then I'll gladly accept it, but please watch a full episode and understand the dialogue first), and more so proclaiming half the population of Denmark (if we go by the notion that 50% likes the show or is okay with it), Denmark's National public TV station and GMC'ers as condoning grooming seems a stretch to me. I think experts also point to the difference between the sexualised and non-sexualised.

There are no sexual explicit images or even hints in either of these two shows I've mentioned the most from Denmark (Ultra Smider Tøjet and John Dillermand). There are body parts being shown and talked about in Ultra Smider Tøjet, but in a VERY non-sexualised way. No kids are touched, without clothes in any way or form, nothing like that at all. Adults talking about their own body image and showing young people how different (but still equal) we all are. Yes, controversial TV, sure, but in a very non-sexualised way and not different to showers at a public pool etc. if you ask me, except that of course would be everyone without clothes, which this is not.

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Jul 22 2021, 07:09 PM
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The USA is a massive consumer of pornography. Possibly the biggest per capita in the world ... https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/india...ear-249212.html ... and yet we love to moralize to everybody else.
Cartoon guns - good.
Cartoon dicks - bad.
WTF.

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jstcrsn
Jul 22 2021, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 22 2021, 06:14 PM) *
I think most of us know what grooming entails and is, but I'm not sure which ones of those are present in this show (feel free to enlighten me, then I'll gladly accept it, but please watch a full episode and understand the dialogue first), and more so proclaiming half the population of Denmark (if we go by the notion that 50% likes the show or is okay with it), Denmark's National public TV station and GMC'ers as condoning grooming seems a stretch to me. I think experts also point to the difference between the sexualised and non-sexualised.

There are no sexual explicit images or even hints in either of these two shows I've mentioned the most from Denmark (Ultra Smider Tøjet and John Dillermand). There are body parts being shown and talked about in Ultra Smider Tøjet, but in a VERY non-sexualised way. No kids are touched, without clothes in any way or form, nothing like that at all. Adults talking about their own body image and showing young people how different (but still equal) we all are. Yes, controversial TV, sure, but in a very non-sexualised way and not different to showers at a public pool etc. if you ask me, except that of course would be everyone without clothes, which this is not.


tickling and “accidentally” touching genitalia.

playing games that include touching genitalia (playing doctor)or a long penis that you can slap santa off the roof with


discussing sexually explicit information under the guise of
education.

the first step is not to have sexualization but normalcy of ones ' equipment '.as someone that does not have kids I can not ask you to understand, but as this father of nine has watched countless couples with your point of view, Have kids and change their minds very quickly ( my brother being One ). just because there is not an exact match to the American bar link does not negate anything . grooming , getting a child use to touching and talking and normalizing it it the start of every abuse situation. Individual circumstances does not negate the rule and if you ever have kids it will do you well to stay as far from the cliff rather than seeing how close to the edge you can get in the name of education. Having a child not get abused because we set some ground rules is well worth the effort. if 50 percent don't have a problem with it , I would like to know their status/ single/no kids or what about those in the 'study" before I would have any validity in that claim , not to mention how the question was asked, but down votes on a video speak louder than anything else

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Jul 22 2021, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jul 22 2021, 08:11 PM) *
tickling and “accidentally” touching genitalia.

playing games that include touching genitalia (playing doctor)or a long penis that you can slap santa off the roof with


discussing sexually explicit information under the guise of
education.

the first step is not to have sexualization but normalcy of ones ' equipment '.as someone that does not have kids I can not ask you to understand, but as this father of nine has watched countless couples with your point of view, Have kids and change their minds very quickly ( my brother being One ). just because there is not an exact match to the American bar link does not negate anything . grooming , getting a child use to touching and talking and normalizing it it the start of every abuse situation. Individual circumstances does not negate the rule and if you ever have kids it will do you well to stay as far from the cliff rather than seeing how close to the edge you can get in the name of education. Having a child not get abused because we set some ground rules is well worth the effort. if 50 percent don't have a problem with it , I would like to know their status/ single/no kids or what about those in the 'study" before I would have any validity in that claim , not to mention how the question was asked, but down votes on a video speak louder than anything else


I'll have to watch the episodes again, but I don't remember anything about tickling or accidental touching. And no discussion of sexual information either from what I remember - in either show. But I could be wrong, and I will have to watch it again.

I've been trying to find information of child abuse around the world, but it's been difficult to find a list, percentages etc., but a few links state that the US has one of the highest rates of child abuse (what that completely entails in these stats are probably a few different things. https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/
Looking at statista.com (I don't know how well that is as a source), which unfortunately seems to limit my access as I'm not a premium member, it does seem as if the US has more reported cases in percentages, but it's kinda difficult to navigate, so I'm not concluding anything on that.

And of course you might argue that kids are not reporting anything as they've gotten "used to it". I don't know, maybe, but it's difficult to conclude.

Now I'm not saying that makes Denmark great, I'm not saying we're necesarily doing the correct thing here, and I hate to have gone into whataboutisms,

The 50/50 I mentioned earlier was just quickly judging from negative/positive comments. It wasn't a precise number by any mean. I hear parents say that they've gotten a good talk and chat with their children after having watched these shows and most of the negative are "my kids will never be allowed to watch this!". But I'm writing statistics based on nothing but reading through a few hundred comments.

I wish my parents (and society) had been more open about accepting body differences etc., not experiencing body shaming etc when I was younger. Without making this a completely personal matter I'm not keen on nudity myself and I never was. I don't like being nude unless I'm in the shower. I don't even walk around my house nude though no one can see me. But that's my personal problem and in some way linked to that (un)acceptance of differences and my own body.

I must admit I dislike being told I condone grooming, that Denmark does this etc, that experts are wrong, child psychologists need their education money back and so on. That seems a bit personal and not good for any discussion. That said, I don't think this topic is worth delving into much more if it's about to become too personal in that way. Not here at GMC of all places. So I will probably leave it be here. Feel free to reply, but I likely won't reply back smile.gif

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Jul 22 2021, 08:00 PM
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Im all for a healthy discussion on differing views but this seems to have gone off the rails. It's safe to say that nobody here condones anything harmful to others in any way. In fact I dare say we are all opposed. This was just a share of a unique animated program and has really turned in to something else entirely. Perhaps we should just let it drop? I'm certainly going to.

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Jul 22 2021, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 22 2021, 07:40 PM) *
I must admit I dislike being told I condone grooming, that Denmark does this etc, that experts are wrong, child psychologists need their education money back and so on. That seems a bit personal and not good for any discussion. That said, I don't think this topic is worth delving into much more if it's about to become too personal in that way. Not here at GMC of all places. So I will probably leave it be here. Feel free to reply, but I likely won't reply back smile.gif

I never came close to saying you condone it , but I do believe you are unaware of the early signs, if you can make the distinction from touching instead of tickling and forget it is not the exact verbiage but rather the normalization to the child is the point I am trying to make . As far as Denmark is worse or better is irrelevant , if we can see the signs and prevent them in our own places/towns .

Here is england doing the same thing

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 20 2021, 10:30 PM) *
Ha, ha! This is great.
As an American who has traveled and worked abroad a lot, I can say that we are the most provincial and prudish nation I've ever been too. I haven't visited Saudi Arabia so yeah, we're probably in second place.


Second place? Hardly.

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"Legal" has little correlation to actual "attitude" and like I said, as a pretty well traveled guy, the USA is quite provincial comparatively regardless of what is allowed legally.

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AK Rich
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 23 2021, 03:05 AM) *
"Legal" has little correlation to actual "attitude" and like I said, as a pretty well traveled guy, the USA is quite provincial comparatively regardless of what is allowed legally.

Actually, it has plenty of correlation. And putting the USA as the the 2nd most prudish nation in the world is quite ridiculous compared to pretty much every nation in the Middle East and many in Asia.
And there really isn't a hell of a lot of difference to what you might see on the beaches of this country compared to Italy and France either. There are nude beaches here too.

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