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Posted by: Cornelius Apr 13 2008, 09:37 PM

B

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Hey muris :DXD a theroy question that has bothering me...i took this from a lesson of yours( alterntaive workout) but what make this a B,D#m etc. its not an inerval or a triad..can you teach me how to anylize this cind a problem for me. .
how to find out the key just watching the tab ( diminishd,major etc ) what tools do you use for that cind a thing? your music rock muris

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 13 2008, 10:43 PM

Hi there.

First of all you must have good knowledge of minor/major scales.
Then you have to memorize type of chords on each degree of those scales.
After that it's pretty easy,you can even hear type of chord and it's degree.

As for this lesson,I used the most simple triads indeed,
root,third and fifth,nothing else.

Perhaps it's confusing you a little cause I didn't use most common shapes for triads.
But if you analyze it a bit deeper,you'll see that I'm playing nothin else but simple triads,
only minors and majors.

Let me know if you need anything else.

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 14 2008, 03:41 PM

First of all you must have good knowledge of minor/major scales.
Then you have to memorize type of chords on each degree of those scales.
After that it's pretty easy,you can even hear type of chord and it's degree.

so take for example the c major scale C-D-E-F-G-A-B..so first one the A string i strum a C chord ( 3 fret) and then a D chord and then an E chord etc? .corect me if im wrong muris XD


Tnx for the help with the triads, iv got it now...i have to compliment on your fast responds..

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 14 2008, 09:14 PM

Almost correct,here are degrees and type of chords for C scale.

I = C chord
II = D minor chord
III = E minor chord
IV= F chord
V= G chord
VI= A minor chord
VII = B minor flat 5 chord

Hope this helps.

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 14 2008, 11:53 PM

I = C chord
II = D minor chord
III = E minor chord
IV= F chord
V= G chord
VI= A minor chord
VII = B minor flat 5 chord

sorry to bother you again but one last question
but isent the degree of a C major scale like this ( in andrews lessons) unison-major2nd-major3rd-perfect 4-perfect 5-major 6th-major 7th-perfect octave so why is the D minor chord minor when it says major 2nd? tnx for the help so far Muris.. cheers m8

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 15 2008, 12:01 AM

Major 2nd is a distance between 1st and 2nd degree in both minor and major scales.
Same with other degrees Andrew showed in his lesson,
those are distances between 1st degree (root) and specific degree,like perfect 5th,major 6th etc.

But you can create a chord on each of those degrees
and that would be the formula I gave you in previous reply.

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 15 2008, 07:30 PM

ahhh now im think im geting the hang of it

but if ve are looking at a c minor scale is it the same chord or is it

I = Cminor chord
II = D major chord
III = E major chord
IV= F minor chord
V= Gminor chord
VI= A major chord
VII = B major flat 5 chord

am im thinking right here muris?

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 15 2008, 10:24 PM

Nope,C minor scale has different notes which means different chord as well.

Here it goes.

I = C minor chord
II = D minor flat 5 chord
III = Eb chord
IV = F minor chord
V = G minor chord
VI = Ab chord
VII = Bb chord

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 16 2008, 10:08 PM

aaHH i see tnx muris i apriciate it Finally someone who can really open my eyes here

but if i should look at a for instance an Phrygian scale..i know where the notes is ( degrees) but how could i know where to fint what chords ( minor or major) ?

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 16 2008, 11:49 PM

You're welcome.

Ok,here's a small home work for you.
Take any Phrygian scale you want and try to create chord on each degree
by simply building each note with 2 thirds.
Then you post your work here and we'll examine it together,ok?

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 17 2008, 02:34 PM

Cool..Tnx alot muris i really aprpiciate i`ll do my best

i will build the chords with the 3rd interval you mean?

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 17 2008, 04:56 PM

Yeah,by 3rds.

You just add one 3rd on degree note and then another one above,which will be 5th.
Analyze it and let me know what you got.

Posted by: eddiecat Apr 17 2008, 06:11 PM

Haha!
This is exactly the same exercise I've been doing
for the last week on every mode!
It's great fun and it's a great theory workout, I'm learning a lot from it.

Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: eddiecat Apr 18 2008, 06:52 PM

Hi Cornelius (sorry for this Muris),
remember that the Phrygian mode is the 3rd (III) mode of the major scale!
Once you know the chords of the major scale (I, IImin, IIImin, IV, V, VImin, VIIdim)
you'll automatically know the type of chord for each degree of the Phrygian mode,
all you'll have to do is start from IIImin. (Remember? Phrygian=IIImode).
Hope it helps and hope Muris won't get mad at me...
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2008, 01:12 AM

Of course I'm not mad Eddie,opposite,great advice!!

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 20 2008, 10:03 PM

tnx for the help Eddie . .i think i got it now...i have did the homework muris, and i think the idea you have was brilliant...instead of just saying, you are teachibg me the right way to learn it..i apreciate it :DXD

here is the home work in B Phrygian : Bmin-C major-D major-E minor-F#min-G major-Amin

i hope im right this time ??

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 21 2008, 03:06 AM

All great except F# chord,it's diminished one,notes are F#,A and C.

Good job tho,keep it up!!

Posted by: eddiecat Apr 21 2008, 02:07 PM

I'm glad I helped a bit, Cornelius...
Remember that playing is also about thinking... I do it a lot...
Another hint I can give you is: understand intervals...
Take one note as a root note, and try to understand where all the others are...
Maybe you won't be able to play them, but you'll understand a lot!
Take care, Eddie
(and keep asking Muris... he's the MAN!)

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 21 2008, 03:03 PM

yeah he¨s the man hehe but tnx for the tip eddie. .i have read the intervals and i think i can manage them...i think the problem was muris that on the F# i dident count the 5th interval ( also known as the note C, its diminished because its have drop down a semitone from the C# right?) so know i think i got it you have been a big help for me, i havent learn this if you dident help me

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 21 2008, 06:49 PM

Yeah,flat 5th gives us diminished chord.

You're doing great so far,go further!!

Posted by: Cornelius Apr 22 2008, 01:25 PM

yeah finally hehe ..tnx..do you have any idea what i can learn now?

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 22 2008, 01:35 PM

Muris. Is there specific interval chords for every scale and do they change for each one? I need to do this mode task as I think. I don't know my arse from my elbow

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 22 2008, 02:20 PM

Oh,you only entered triads,now apply all that into your own playing,make some progressions etc



Not sure if I got you right,what do you mean by interval chords?
I mean,each chord is made of intervals.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 22 2008, 02:22 PM

I mean if you want to play in Dorian mode for example in the key of F# how do you know what the chords are for intervals like I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 22 2008, 02:38 PM

Ahh,I see.
As you know,all modes are made of major scale/Ionian mode.
All you have to do is to learn type of chords for major scale
and then you just apply those chords in every mode,shifting them up or down.
In our case here,Dorian is just like major scale but starting from 2nd degree.
I don't like to explain modes this way tho.
Which means,II degree of major scale is I degree of Dorian scale.
F# Dorian is equal to E major scale/Ionian.
Hope this helps a bit.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 22 2008, 02:42 PM

Christ lol. I've got a lot to learn

I need to learn my scales and when I can use them

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 22 2008, 02:44 PM

Just ask if you need any assistance,I'll be glad to help.