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Sep 8 2013, 12:58 PM
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A little on the W Post. sold for 250 million http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08...ff-bezos-graham
after it was worth 1 Billion because it became a leftist leaning hack paper and people stopped getting it The free market never lies This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Sep 8 2013, 12:59 PM |
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Sep 8 2013, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 7 2013, 10:43 PM)  CRSN, are you talking about CAR INSURANCE?  Then yes, I feel my liberty is being infringed!! The govt making me buy car insurance is against my beliefs Oh wait, Health insurance? hmm. I want to risk permanent indebtedness to a hospital and go without health insurance! By golly! When I have a car wreck, let them bill me!! In all seriousness, affordable health care is something I think everyone deserves to be honest, just as they deserve affordable car insurance And affordable Homeowners insurance, renters insurance, etc. here is a link to an article in the WASHINGTON POST with hard info on the REAL COSTS for what folks will pay with obamacare. It's looking like I'm going to SAVE MONEY!!! Woohooo!!!: ) http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkbl...nder-obamacare/ Some fine points rich I think we are actually not that far apart in political terms. The tea party does embrace many things near and dear to the Libertarian heart so to speak. It does split off with marriage rights for any and every adult/persuassion, legalizing various substances and hobbies etc. But the core bits are pretty close I agree in full that the "left" newsies are NO BETTER than the right. And in fact, I take a big dose of all of them and then sort out the actual "news" for myself. I've found that by adding BBC WORLD NEWS and AL JAZEERA AMERICA news to the mix that it broadens the perspective quite a bit. Just CNN, or FAUX news just isn't enough info to actually have a valid base of information IMHO but sadly the politics are such that many folks that watch one never watch the other. I also agree that limitless spending is just silly. However, we are now in the echoe of the 2008 crash which is still acting as a weight on the entire economy and causing a myriad of ancillary issues affecting growth/jobs which would just be too boring to go in to and i"d need charts and a little slide rule. As such, I honestly think now is not the time to tighten the belt but instead focus on "core research" funded by tax dollars that led us to such things as the Internet, Space Travel, etc. The core research is what allows business to create new markets from scratch and have a competitive advantage imho. The real problem, as you mentioned, is the balooning entitlement spending and 10,000 baby boomers a day retiring and leaving the tax base. Social security/medicare/medicaid is the nail in our coffin waiting for a hammer and sadly I don't see a way around it. Not to be all "doom and gloom" but nobody is going to get elected saying "old people, we are cutting your benefits!". Todd Maybe social security wouldn't be in trouble if the democrats had not led the charge to tap into in and pilfer it away by adding it to the general fund years ago? |
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Sep 9 2013, 09:52 AM
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THE WASHINGTON POST is "Some guys Blog"? Come on carson!!!
It's one of the few semi trusted sources I know off. It's the freaking Washington Post.So not, not using a blog, just trying to point you to the original work on the Washington Post Thats where the info came from. So yeah, it's pretty legit I know it doesn't jive with the whole "obamacare is gonna send us to the poor house" but to be honest, that always seemed a bit alarmist didn't it? The numbers I"m seeing indicate it's going to be very affordable and we will finally be able to give health insurance to our citizens and honestly as the only "rich" nation without national health care, I have to say it's about time.And I hate to bring you right back to the CAR INSURANCE argument, but you never addressed it? So yeah, if they can make us buy vehicle insurance under the premise that it's more to protect others, the same thing can be said for health care in terms of overall cost. People that don't have health care are the main reason people do pay so much. Hospitals are required to treat people even without insurance. Those costs get spread to people that do pay. That in turn pushes rates up. So not having health care is directly impacting everyone who does.  From the libertarian view, GOVT is there to do "what people can't do by themselves" like build roads, schools, an army, social security, and finally national health care coverage So it's not a slap in the face, it's a long overdue responsibility that govt is finally taking seriously despite the health care lobby spending crazy money to shut it down. The fact is that it will actually SAVE money and COST everyone less. I hate to say it but it's a good thing Speaking of liberty. How do you feel about being told you "have to" buy MORTGAGE insurance if you try to buy a home without 20% down? Car insurance no matter how save a driver you are? Somehow those things don't count? Try to stay calm and let's just see what the actual reality is when OBAMACARE hits as it's the LAW OF THE LAND and all data looks like it's going to be a very positive thing. There is no evidence to the contrary so far, just lots of hype of how "horrible" it will be I don't buy in to that sort of stuff.As for my health care costs, they are more than what the actuary tables say someone in my bracket will pay. The subsidies take the costs down quite a bit and it's very affordable. I think that's the hardest part for some folks to accept. I do watch right and left wing news and I've seen all the "this will be a disaster" reports but none have any hard data. Only conjecture. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Sep 8 2013, 07:23 AM) first off you talk about my source and then you give me some guys blog for your source, come on man.and Please remember you thinking it will cost less and I just want to put a bug in your ear to watch how hard it is to get to the doctor if this is ever fully implemented and I will do the same , if it works out you can say I told you so- if not(doesnt, matter we will we so screwed) I am going to be honest , Obamacare is the biggest slap in the face to a libertarian that you can have and the way you talk about it sounds like you love it. Under it you say the government has the right( to the point of jailing me) to come into my home take what I have and give it to some one else, IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN BY LIBERTY. How would you answer this "to each according to his needs , from each according to his abilities" and just how much do you pay for health care now, if you don't mind me asking Left leaning hack paper? Crsn, oh crsn. They went broke the same way every other paper in the country is going broke. NEWS PAPERS ARE A DEAD BUSINESS. They were slow to go digital and it killed them. But if that source is no good for ya, (because the article indicated that obamacare would be affordable? Right?) we can use a different one. Pick any legit news source and we can use that But I mean a real news source, not a right wing blog or fox or left wing blog or msnbc. So pretty much, the New York Times, or maybe The Economist? But I'm open to suggestion :QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Sep 8 2013, 07:58 AM) A little on the W Post. sold for 250 million http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08...ff-bezos-graham after it was worth 1 Billion because it became a leftist leaning hack paper and people stopped getting it The free market never lies QUOTE (AK Rich @ Sep 8 2013, 11:53 AM) Maybe social security wouldn't be in trouble if the democrats had not led the charge to tap into in and pilfer it away by adding it to the general fund years ago? Rich my buddy! Straight to the blame game? I've heard lefties to the same thing of course and say something like ".....because the republicans deregulated and caused the 2008 financial crisis which nearly crushed the world economy......" From a balanced view, both "parties" have done things to get us where we are or we would not be here. There is plenty of blame to go around right? Just from an objective point of view, the issue of impending collapse due to rapidly expanding entitlements and rapidly diminishing tax base is undeniable. It's an issue that no amount of blame will fix. As a Libertarian, I support everyone's right to get what they are due and do not want to see Social Security go broke. I'd even take a tax increase if it meant they could balance the books and take care of our elderly and those less fortunate via medicare/medicaid. What we need is a fresh approach and some truly new ideas. Then we need some cooperation in Congress. Gridlock does not serve the will of people IMHO. *here is a chart from the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE with our current and projected revenue and costs. As you can see, it looks flat out GRIM.  Todd QUOTE (verciazghra @ Sep 8 2013, 03:45 AM) Okay here comes the swedish bastard with no expertise in American politics whatsoever and who should, quite frankly, probably stay the horse out of your business. Okay so I'm a nutcase I'm extremely critical towards how society is built, the only reason tho is that society, and thereby humanity as a whole, doesn't cater to the well-being of it's inhabitants first and foremost. It caters to the unquestioned development of technology and economy, and it does so by enslaving everyone inside it. What's the difference between a whip and societies heavy demands on us? There's a point to the whip. (Great hearing you guys talk, sorry for making a sub-par comment with my thoughts on the subject, much love to you all. PEACE) Very interesting stuff Thanks for joining in!! I was watching Fareed Zakarea GPS on CNN and he talked about budget deficits here and there. America's deficit is 5.7 percent, Sweden's is one-eleventh that amount at 0.5 percent. And that the govt has been shrinking recently and is now 6th largest in europe behind france and has moved more to an efficient market economy and has one of the highest standards of living in the world. In short, I really wish our govt would take the hint and start doing things a bit more like Sweden. Of course, the "old" mentality was that Sweden a huge socialist time bomb, but that's the kind of propoganda we get here. In truth, if we could reduce our deficit, increase our standard of living, reduce unemployment and provide health care to everyone, we too might have a country like Sweden I couldn't help but notice you had a deep sense of avoiding war which is seen as a Swedish trait to some degree We are pretty quick to jump in to conflict here, as our country was born in conflict, it almost feels un natural to us if we don't have someone/something to fight. I wish it wasn't that way, but it sort of is. I really hope we can learn to value peace as much as we value our "presidential prestige" or whatever excuse is on deck to put us in the next skirmish.
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Sep 9 2013, 10:30 AM
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P.S. I found this "NEWS I.Q" quiz from the PEW RESEARCH CENTER and I thought the choice of questions was very curious. Some folks HATE the news and some folks watch/read wads of it. Which side to you lean towards? If you score less than 50 percent, you are toward the "NOT A NEWS FAN" side, if you score above 50 percent, you are toward the "NEWS JUNKIE" side
I"m a bit of a news junkie. *No cheating on the quiz, try to answer from memory Here is the link. http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/the-news-iq-quiz/ and my results. (NEWS JUNKIE!)  |
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Sep 9 2013, 01:04 PM
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the whole car insurance, pi insurance thing is all of my own choosing, the government pays to pave the roads , they don't force me to buy a car and drive on them , they say if you would like the convenience of driving on them, help us pay for there maintenance.
My choosing- P.M. , My choosing interstate commerce and protecting our borders were the bonds of the federal government , the states had soveriegn rights( for the rest) that have been taken away with the power grab from washington, Benjamen Franklin said " People who give up liberty for security, Deserve neither" you give up your liberty for health insurance and social security . Don't mince words ,wiki pedia's definition of libertarian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism 3 tenets of libertarian, liberty.2 freedom, 3 voluntary association= nothing about health care or social security as you described earlier. you are not a Libertarian,true Libertarians never give the government power over their choices like your examples earlier- who I want to marry, what drug I want to do or dont do, just to be honest .I know what all these answers are, I just wanted to show you thru them where your true heart lies. Not that it matters, but when someone calls themselves something that they disprove by their actions I'll call them on it and you never answered my question, should the government (thru force of imprisonment ) come into my house , take what I have and give it to another as far as the Paper, I say its a hack , you say its liget, that won't go nowhere This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Sep 9 2013, 01:42 PM |
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Sep 9 2013, 03:43 PM
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Not really though you have to admit. As you said they are "requiring you to enter in to a contract with a third party". It's the law you have no real choice. So if this is something you can accept for car insurance, what is any different about health insurance? There isn't any difference.
Both are required by law for you to enter in to a third party agreement, so there's that then Onward!And buying car insurance doesn't help pave roads as you know. Taxes pave roads. Car insurance goes to insurance companies the same way health insurance money goes to health insurance companies. Nothing to do with road paving As for being a "true" libertarian. I"d say yes I"m one Your argument here isn't very clear. Your saying I'm not a libertarian because I believe in Social Security? My "true heart" lies in exactly the things I've stated to be honest I do (personally) believe in governments role to do for people what they can't do for themselves (that's me personally, not a libertarian thing) and Social security is IMHO one of those things.As for marriage and such, as long as we are quoting wiki, you should read this. You are a bit confused on Libertarian positions on same sex marriage etc. This is a break point with the Tea party/Right Wing in terms of core beliefs but such is life. The libertarian view is that any two adults of any persuasion should be able to get married and be treated the same as any other couple under the law. After all, marriage is a civil union under the law so it's a basic civil right  Personally I have a traditional view of marriage. But that doesn't mean the govt should treat folks with non traditional views any differently. same taxes, same laws etc. That's the libertarian view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_LGBT_rights ANSWER TO QUESTION ABOUT GOVT ARREST: NO. The Govt should not come to anyones house and take what they have and give to another. That would be wrong, wouldn't you agree?This is usually where I get something like "that's what obamacare is" or "thats what taxes/unemployment is". But that's not really true either one must admit. Those are programs lawfully designed by our elected officials. We can always elect different officials and change the laws to our liking Back to the Newspaper. As I said, pick any paper you like Or any new source. Just skip the really righ/left ones. Or we can leave news out as a primary source. That's fine too Ok then There's all of that sorted! That wasn't so bad was it? I must say though for an "independent" you sure do come with all of the same arguments I get from folks on the faaaaarrr right wing when talking politics. I mean no offense here, just noticing the same arguments, Very "anti obama", "anti national health care" and such. As a Libertarian, I'm not very "anti" on anything other than the idea that personal choices (not choices that impact the many, but choices that impact the few or the one, like whether to consume illicit substances/engage in questionable personal moral decisions/ etc.) are beyond the purview of the govt. So I'm "anti prohibition" on most everything that is currently prohibited by law for few/one. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Sep 9 2013, 08:04 AM) the whole car insurance, pi insurance thing is all of my own choosing, the government pays to pave the roads , they don't force me to buy a car and drive on them , they say if you would like the convenience of driving on them, help us pay for there maintenance.
My choosing- P.M. , My choosing interstate commerce and protecting our borders were the bonds of the federal government , the states had soveriegn rights( for the rest) that have been taken away with the power grab from washington, Benjamen Franklin said " People who give up liberty for security, Deserve neither" you give up your liberty for health insurance and social security . Don't mince words ,wiki pedia's definition of libertarian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism 3 tenets of libertarian, liberty.2 freedom, 3 voluntary association= nothing about health care or social security as you described earlier. you are not a Libertarian,true Libertarians never give the government power over their choices like your examples earlier- who I want to marry, what drug I want to do or dont do, just to be honest .I know what all these answers are, I just wanted to show you thru them where your true heart lies. Not that it matters, but when someone calls themselves something that they disprove by their actions I'll call them on it and you never answered my question, should the government (thru force of imprisonment ) come into my house , take what I have and give it to another as far as the Paper, I say its a hack , you say its liget, that won't go nowhere |
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Sep 9 2013, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 9 2013, 03:43 PM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_LGBT_rights ANSWER TO QUESTION ABOUT GOVT ARREST: NO. The Govt should not come to anyones house and take what they have and give to another. I must say though for an "independent" you sure do come with all of the same arguments I get from folks on the faaaaarrr right wing when talking politics. I mean no offense here, just noticing the same arguments, Very "anti obama", "anti national health care" and such. As a Libertarian, I'm not very "anti" on anything other than the idea that personal choices (not choices that impact the many, but choices that impact the few or the one, like whether to consume illicit substances/engage in questionable personal moral decisions/ etc.) are beyond the purview of the govt. So I'm "anti prohibition" on most everything that is currently prohibited by law for few/one. I don't have to drive, I can live close to work and walk, ride the bus, but i get to choose. opps, I did misspeak about the insurance, I meant certain taxes and government is necessary as far as roads and me driving on them , but I still don't have to get a car, many in New York don't , the government does not make them And I agree about the whole marriage thing as far as they don't force my child in 1 st grade to read . "bill has 2 daddies", thats the problem they keep forcing and destroying my liberty with theirs. as far as being independent, I am more libertarian than you think, the 2 things I don't agree with are making all drugs legal and the need to go outside our borders to protect them. but getting married is not a civil right, homosexual or hetero, you do not have a civil right for an action other than those expressly written in the Constitution , and I can see your heart and nothing is wrong, but all this extra reaching and control by our government is not a libertarian view and as far as them coming into the house, what do you think happens when you can't pay your tax bill(as ruled by the supreme court), they come to your house and take your stuff until its paid, if you don't have enough to pay , you go to jail for tax evasion, thats why Obamacare has 16000 new IRS agents( why are new agents in a health care bill) and what is far right I dont want to be over taxed or forced to do what I don't want to do if Obamacare works I will concede, if it fails will you and 1 more ?, anything our government has control of thats works ? This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Sep 9 2013, 04:27 PM |
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Sep 9 2013, 04:29 PM
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Even if you don't have a car - unless you walk to the farm that produces the food (on a dirt path), cut down the tree to get wood, quarry the stone, mine and smelt the metal, generate the electricity, provide for sewage disposal, etc. ... by yourself (?) ...
You do use the roads (infrastructure). -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Sep 9 2013, 04:42 PM
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true libertarian view
http://libertarianviewpoint.com/blog/liber...s-on-obamacare/ |
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Sep 10 2013, 03:57 PM
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5 articles and op/ed's today concerning problems with the ACA.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130910...?nclick_check=1 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamac...ple_753721.html http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-claim...article/2535474 http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/legal...=latestnews/%22 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/10/...-to-our-health/ |
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Sep 10 2013, 06:20 PM
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come on rich ,2 of those say fox, they must be wrong
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Sep 10 2013, 10:06 PM
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Got to wrap all this up fun as it's been
Thanks for all the replies. But just to finish the thought.One by one then! *The car is a choice. The insurance is not. Just like Obamacare, (as I mentioned in the previous) it's a mandatory requirement by law to force you in to a contract with a third party So it's the same things sadly But the good news is it may save you money *Next up, some of the few things that separate Libertarians from Tea Party folks (though many things are very similar) is support for Gay Marriage.. ---Marriage is a "Civil Union" under the law of the United States and therefore by definition a "Civil" right-- ..which is why libtrns support it and legalization of drugs. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it's failed badly for drugs. The "Borders" issue is one that seems to cross boundaries (no pun in intended) on every party it seems as position vary across parties but lean towards closed borders/quasi protiectionism the further Right one leans typically. So if you can come over to the legalization/equal marriage rights viewpoint, BINGO!! But really it's flexible as the Libertarian approach is big enough to accept nearly everyone as the idea is folks can believe whatever they feel led to believe.Onward!!! Next up, the question about break ins always precedes the bit about taxes I'm not a "fan" of taxes personally, but I do try to follow the laws on the books when possible and as they say. "Pick your favorite govt program and eliminate it and we can reduce taxes". I enjoyed the Student Loan program quite a bit So I try to pay my taxes and grumble a bit. Lastly! Yes, I I have to pay ONE PENNY More than I can pay in the FREE MARKET for health care, I will be the FIRST one to protest with vigor and venom. I didn't agree to let them charge me more than market rate. THe pitch was we can insure everyone and market rates will remain so we shall see P.S. as for the Govt Control question, it's rhetorical. Ok then! I think we've settled as much as we are going to. I Hope everyone got something out of this The entire point of democratic republics after all is the chance to voice one's thoughts in public. Now if one of us is arrested by the govt for what we've said, then we will know we have a problem!Tod QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Sep 9 2013, 11:18 AM) I don't have to drive, I can live close to work and walk, ride the bus, but i get to choose. opps, I did misspeak about the insurance, I meant certain taxes and government is necessary as far as roads and me driving on them , but I still don't have to get a car, many in New York don't , the government does not make them And I agree about the whole marriage thing as far as they don't force my child in 1 st grade to read . "bill has 2 daddies", thats the problem they keep forcing and destroying my liberty with theirs. as far as being independent, I am more libertarian than you think, the 2 things I don't agree with are making all drugs legal and the need to go outside our borders to protect them. but getting married is not a civil right, homosexual or hetero, you do not have a civil right for an action other than those expressly written in the Constitution , and I can see your heart and nothing is wrong, but all this extra reaching and control by our government is not a libertarian view and as far as them coming into the house, what do you think happens when you can't pay your tax bill(as ruled by the supreme court), they come to your house and take your stuff until its paid, if you don't have enough to pay , you go to jail for tax evasion, thats why Obamacare has 16000 new IRS agents( why are new agents in a health care bill) and what is far right I dont want to be over taxed or forced to do what I don't want to do if Obamacare works I will concede, if it fails will you and 1 more ?, anything our government has control of thats works ? EEGAD!! Rich! Foxnews, and every other link coming from those, how shall I say it, ...... sources with a smidge of a Leeeaaaaaannnnnnn one particular direction? Not to say the sources are invalid, but if I posted 6 links from MSNBC and MOTHER JONES you guys would call foul as well QUOTE (AK Rich @ Sep 10 2013, 10:57 AM) 5 articles and op/ed's today concerning problems with the ACA. http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130910...?nclick_check=1 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamac...ple_753721.html http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-claim...article/2535474 http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/legal...=latestnews/%22 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/10/...-to-our-health/ |
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Sep 10 2013, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 10 2013, 10:54 PM) Next up!!! Obamamcare. Yes, driving a car is a choice. Buying Car Insurance is NOT. Thus the point about the required third party etc...Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the unanimous court held that: “ Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State. --- That should do it it says nothing about marriage in the amendment , I don't know why his comments talk about , the amendment was in regards to race , not sexual preferance http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv , but as I stated in earlier posts , I don't have a problem with them getting married as long as they don't force it on my family This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Sep 11 2013, 12:07 AM |
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Sep 11 2013, 02:25 AM
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It was a court decision
not an amendment. However they did reference the fourth amendment. The sentence is pretty clear. "Marriage is one of the most basic Civil Rights of Man". They felt marriage is Mans most basic Civil Right and I must say I agree Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness (Fourth Amendment) even allows for Bob to Marry Steve Though I'd Rather Marry EVE, that's just me. Recently the supreme court overturned the DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE act as Unconstitutional which I have to agree, it was I don't seek to change anyones mind, here. Just have a good conversation about the issues of the day and we've done just that! I do appreciate the conversation The sands of politics are always shifting. As are the bounds of what is and isn't acceptable. I have been heartened by the overturning of the defense of marriage act, and by the number of states decriminalizing certain substances. Even though I don't personally use "drugs" nor do I drink (pretty boring I know). I feel it's everyone fourth amendment right to determine if such consumption is right for them. The momentum of legislation is heading in a direction I honestly approve of, but as I just said it's always in flux. It could head the other way in a jiffy However, I"ll leave it to others to have the last word after this post. Thanks again for a very engaging thread Todd Back to GUITAR!!!!! QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Sep 10 2013, 06:30 PM) it says nothing about marriage in the amendment , I don't know why his comments talk about , the amendment was in regards to race , not sexual preferance http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv , but as I stated in earlier posts , I don't have a problem with them getting married as long as they don't force it on my family |
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