Learn This; The Fletcher Munson Curve |
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May 9 2017, 02:21 PM |
https://ehomerecordingstudio.com/fletcher-munson-curve/
Not a bad summery so I thought I'd share. Google if more focus is needed, a better understanding will help you save time in your future projects. I got the link from a forum where someone was asking why his processors presets needed to be tweaked for gig levels...but this can apply for creating tones at home, mixing/mastering music and even when checking out gear at music stores...electric guitar players specially struggle with this as our instrument is mid focused and we deal with so much variables. Basically the reason why I advice to tweak tones over a backing track so often, but this is only (hopefully) helpful advice not a solution. |
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May 9 2017, 03:25 PM |
Interesting, thanks Mertay.
I have a question Is there a way to globally alter frequencies in Reaper or do you have to alter each individual track? Depending on your answer, what is the best way to do it? Thanks for your help mate -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 9 2017, 03:50 PM |
Hey Phil,
Yes from the main mixer output on reaper eq (or any fx, just like adding plug-in) can be applyed, actually this is pretty much what mastering is actually. For homestudio mastering there is no rule but eq'ing after increasing the level of the main mix (with a limiter) might work better for the beginner. But this is for a mix/master scenario, the FM curve applies for pretty much everything music related. If you have a specific scenario let me know. Also for those curious, this is a FM eq which is freeware; https://www.noisebud.se/?page_id=2671 it didn't do any help for me ever I prefered to do my own eq'ing but for those who want to experiment are welcome to try This post has been edited by Mertay: May 9 2017, 03:51 PM |
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May 9 2017, 08:47 PM |
Thanks Mertay,
I've never altered the eq of a backing track. I've only altered the eq of my guitar using hardware mainly. Very occasionally I've altered the eq of my guitar by opening Amplitube and bypassing everything except the equaliser I've put in there. This is probably wrong but my hi-fi background tells me you can't really alter what has already been recorded and that you can only distort the frequencies. It's like in this piece, in parts the bass notes (7 string) are overpowering and I thought afterwards I should have got the source sound correct because I'd I alerted the bass levels everything else would be altered slightly. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=711287 Much to learn Thanks for this great post Mertay -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 9 2017, 09:10 PM |
So am I correct in thinking that I couldn't sort that guitar tone out?
One thing I find is that when I'm sorting out a tone, I get my favourite licks and then when I've got the tone, I can't remember what I played Is re-amping the best option? Cheers This post has been edited by Phil66: May 9 2017, 09:23 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 9 2017, 09:23 PM |
You can "re amp" using a software plugin if you just record guitars direct E.G. Plug your guitar directly in to your recording interface and use something like OVERLOUD or AMPLITUDE to get your guitar tone. That way, you can always go back and change the preset/tone all you want, whenever you want, at any time during recording/mixing
I do it this way and I've found it to be the most flexible. If you record guitar with fx "baked in" e.g. using a microphone on your guitar cab with distortion/fx applied via amp/axe fx/kemper, etc., then you are sorta stuck with what you have. You can eq it and add more fx, but the main tone is already there. You have to re record to make major changes. So recording guitars clean, and using a plugin provides the most flexibility and it lets you work at lower volume levels and doesn't require you do wake up the neighbors Once you get used to it, you can get killer guitar tones that would be hard to get otherwise, if you tried recording your guitar cab/amp. Here is an example. The guitar is all plugin based from OVERLOUD TH2. https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/x45-solo-challenge So we I correct in thinking that I couldn't sort that guitar tone out? One thing I find is that when I'm sorting out a tone, I get my favourite licks and then when I've got the tone, I can't remember what I played Is re-amping the best option? Cheers |
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May 9 2017, 09:32 PM |
Thanks Todd,
Thing is, it's the tone itself that inspires my playing. Maybe this is due to my skill level. I just can't play clean the same as I do with distortion. It's like I can't play something jazzy with a metal tone. On the flip side. The Helix can record a clean tone along with your effected tone and you can then re-amp the clean tone. Is it a bad thing to not be able to play what you want with any given tone? If it is, how do you overcome that limitation? Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 10 2017, 05:19 PM |
Thanks Mertay,
When I get back home I'm going to set up a patch called Phil's Rig. Based on a Marshall head, Tube Screamer, and a Marshall based ir. I can experiment with that for collabs. For lessons where I try to get close to the lesson tone I'll break out of it and try other things. Cheers buddy. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 10 2017, 08:14 PM |
Sure, I also find Marshall emu.s flexable for soloing. A lot can be acheved with their amp eq's.
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May 12 2017, 09:15 AM |
Thanks Mertay,,
I'm not sure, you know how routing messes with my head I've seen the term "wet dry wet" a lot on the Line 6 Helix forum, I'll have to check it out. I must try this beast into the return of my Valveking very soon Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 12 2017, 04:51 PM |
For the record I had exactly the same with my GT100 . Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 12 2017, 05:08 PM |
Yeah I remember we couldn't solve that but before blaming house electricity I'd like to take shot with the helix by extending the chain slowly.
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May 12 2017, 09:09 PM |
As for overcoming not being able to play what you want, the answer is very simple Everybody:?...ahem....PRACTICE!!! Todd What I meant Todd, was, is it bad that one can't play what one wants to play when one hasn't got a suitable tone? Should one be able to play what's in one's head even with a clean tone over a very metal backing, for example? I think this has been answered since, just clarifying Also, I really do practise as much as I can. I can't really work late into the night as I have a 6am start everyday. I get home at 17:30 ish, eat dinner with my wife, chat and watch the evening news until around 19:00 which is when I enter the man cave until around 20:45 when I go and shower and go and spend an hour with my wife before we go to bed at around 22:00. That hour and three quarters in the man cave equates to a real 75-90 minutes with things like tuning, recording and or videoing all eating into the time slot. It takes me a while to edit my video and sync the sound so it's all time without fingers on geetar Cheers This post has been edited by Phil66: May 13 2017, 09:41 AM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 16 2017, 07:12 PM |
Hello Mertay,
I got an email from Line 6 today showing this video, it was what I mentioned above. It looks like a great thing to be able to do, not what I thought it was but interesting I can't embed but the link is >>>>>>HERE<<<<<< -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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