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You had to know this was coming smile.gif.

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Very impressed though how much they fit to its size!

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 4 2018, 11:45 PM) *
You had to know this was coming smile.gif.


...because that's what they always do? (repackage the same product over and over) smile.gif

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At first I thought it was just a repackaging into a lower cost alternative. But that's not what it is at all. It's designed to appeal to a different kind of guitarist, one who wants to add amp modeling to their pedal board instead of replacing their pedal board. In that respect, it's a radically different design.

For every guitarist who is comfortable replacing their rig with an AX8 or Helix Floor or Headrush, there are 10 who are interested in amp modeling, but want to keep the prized pedals they have on their pedal board. This is for those 10.

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İts not a better buy but I'd also say different.

Its has 6 block limitation, I'm not sure yet but a loaded ir cab will take one of those blocks. So dual stereo amp (4)+a boost(1)+a delay (1) and the limits full. Can be saved space if included cab is used on the amp (but not sure if those are ir). The gate is default on the input stage though so thats cool.

The typical Helix user usually prefers a more complex chain and for a good reason, the fx are pretty good. So you can't get everything with this unit but still imho a lot.

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Oct 5 2018, 06:43 AM) *
İts not a better buy but I'd also say different.

Its has 6 block limitation, I'm not sure yet but a loaded ir cab will take one of those blocks. So dual stereo amp (4)+a boost(1)+a delay (1) and the limits full. Can be saved space if included cab is used on the amp (but not sure if those are ir). The gate is default on the input stage though so thats cool.

The typical Helix user usually prefers a more complex chain and for a good reason, the fx are pretty good. So you can't get everything with this unit but still imho a lot.



That's true but I think that Rammikin thoughts about guys who want to add amp sim to their pedalboard but keeping most of their pedals is very valid. In that case, it doesn't matter if you can build a big chain, don't you think so?

I can see how different brands are competing hard with these and all I can say that these are exciting times for guitar freaks. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 5 2018, 12:33 PM) *
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Sure my comment was actually supporting him. Also, it seems to be a nice soundcard too since when recording projects most add reverb, delay etc. from computer not processor.

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size compariison;

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I don't think people realize how big the original Headrush is. The Headrush Gigboard might just be a response to people who complained the original is too big.

At the same time, I don't think people realize how small the HX Stomp is. It's the only top quality modeler that has an effects loop that is small enough that you can put it on your pedal board without throwing out half of your pedals.

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Had to happen :0) At first glance it looks like an answer to the HR gig board, but it's really more about amp sims as mentioned it seems due to the smaller block count. The HR gig board is just a smaller version of the full on, Head Rush board. It does everything the big brother does. This is not that. It's got a limited set of blocks available compared to it's big brother so it can be a full solution if you don't mind having a fairly simple set of patches. You could do a full gig with it to be sure, it would just mean trimming ones patches down to just what is needed for a given patch. So it can be an all in one solution, similar to the HR, just with a bit less processing power so going to have simpler patches.

It looks like it's going to be a bit more expensive than the HR gig board as well by about $100 or so. But for folks who really love the amps in the Helix, and want a more portable version, with some fx ability if needed.
As they mention in the vid, if this could do all that the helix could do, it would probably eat part of the market for the Helix. Headrush doesn't seem to be concerned about this at all as they have done exactly that, they've made a full power version of their product, just smaller with less buttons and no pedal. The HR patches can travel from big HR to small HR, where patches can't travel from Big Helix to small Helix.

On the plus side for the Line 6 it's got a great editor that works on Desktop/laptop/tablet/phone That's a very handy feature. I actually mentioned that to the Head Rush folks yesterday that not having an editor seemed a glaring gap. They replied that the interface kills the need for an app. Sorta, but imho not really. No matter how good an interface is, having an iphone app to control a bit of gear is very handy.

So it's up to the user as to what it is they are trying to do. Even for starter players, this unit or the amplifire or the HR would be a great place to start and all of them are cheaper than the $1,000 plus that it takes to get one of the "Big Boys".

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 5 2018, 09:12 PM) *
I'll keep my Helix LT thank you wink.gif


Yeah, I think it's safe to say this will not appeal to someone who likes the larger Helices. But the reverse is also true. Kudos to Line6 for finding an unmet need and filling it.

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I think a LOT of people will be keeping their full size Helix smile.gif This is NOT a replacement for the HELIX IMHO. It's just too limited. You can't exchange patches between them, they do NOT have the same amount of processing power/ability, etc. It's almost like half a Helix.

As I mentioned before, it's too bad really that they didn't pull an HR and just make a smaller form factor with less buttons and pedals, but with the same guts that could compete directly with the gig board from Head rush. But that was never the plan it seems as they are concerned about eating their own. Headrush is not concerned at all about this evidently.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 5 2018, 05:12 PM) *
I'll keep my Helix LT thank you wink.gif


The HR Gigboard does seem to meet the need pretty well, and in some ways it does a better job in that it's not a half power version of it's big brother. This one is much more limited than it's big brother so while it's a nice box, if it were between this and the gig board, I don't see the benefit in choosing this. But to each his own, maybe some folks really love the amp sims in the Helix line and just want those on their existing pedal board as you mentioned.

But for less money, one can get a full powered, dual signal path, head rush unit in a smaller package. Of all the units I've seen come out recently it's the gig board that seems to be the best value for money just in terms of feature/benefit. The Mini helix costs more and does less. But it does beat out the HR in terms of having it's own app which is a glaring gap in the HR imho. However, it's all just parlor talk for me as I'm not in the market for one just yet. I"m having fun trying out new plugins and controlling them with the Orange OMEC and my Tone Shifter 3s. Each time a new plugin comes out, it's new gear day smile.gif Been having fun with the JST Ben Bruce and Misha and Fortin Nameless lately, but that's another thread!

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 5 2018, 08:35 PM) *
Yeah, I think it's safe to say this will not appeal to someone who likes the larger Helices. But the reverse is also true. Kudos to Line6 for finding an unmet need and filling it.
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 6 2018, 01:58 AM) *
The Mini helix costs more and does less


Please accept my apologies for correcting you, but the Gigboard is more expensive than the HX Stomp, not the other way around. $649 vs $599.

But that misses the point. These two fine products are not competitors. The Gigboard is a pedal board replacement. It's too big to fit into an existing board which already has a bunch of pedals. It has the power to replace those pedals, so the large size doesn't matter. The HX Stomp is not a pedal board replacement. It's designed to be small enough (and have the requisite I/O) to fit into a pedal board as a peer of the pedals that a guitarist already owns and wants to keep.

If you're searching for someone to argue with about the Gigboard vs. the HX Stomp, you'll have to look elsewhere smile.gif.

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I'm one to admit when I"m wrong. I actually like to be corrected when I'm giving out incorrect info. You are spot on and I was just dead wrong on the price. The Gig board is in fact MORE expensive than the HX not less expensive. Thanks for the catch. smile.gif
Not wanting to argue, just discussing the merits of each. The Gig board is 12 inches wide while the HX is 7 inches wide. So the gig board is almost double the width. It's the size of a small pedal board all by itself. It makes sense though as it is a pedal board stuffed in to a small form factor.
They really are entirely different beasts and the HX is all about being as small as it can be. It's about the same size as the BIG SKY Pedal that you see on so many pedal boards.

HOWEVER, I think something like the IK MULTIMEDIA STOMP IO has got both of them beat
. It's got an expression pedal built in, its got four buttons, not three, it costs only $300 and it lets you use any software that you like from BIAS to AMPLITU"B"E. So it's just a lot more flexible than either the HR or the HX. I really do think products like the STOMP IO are the future. I just hope I can do a better job at remembering prices and nomenclature smile.gif

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Time will tell, I'm going out on a limb here in 2018 and saying that as players who were raised on smart phones come up, we are going to see them drift towards the devices that they know best, namely their phones and tablets and use generic hardware like the stomp io to connect to their app of choice. They will not have the emotional connection to the hardware that is present today. That will just fade away. I know it seems like heresy. smile.gif

Here is a vid about the STOMP IO. If you use an ipad, it's got an even bigger display than the HR!! Also, it's already a full color touch sensitive display because it's an ipad smile.gif Handy eh? Also, there is a Looper built in to the app and the tuner is HUGE. Of course, you could use an iphone instead of ipad, or use the ipad to program and take the iphone for gigging. It's leveraging the amazing high tech devices we already carry with us instead of trying to recreate them. Smart.

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 5 2018, 10:22 PM) *
Please accept my apologies for correcting you, but the Gigboard is more expensive than the HX Stomp, not the other way around. $649 vs $599.

But that misses the point. These two fine products are not competitors. The Gigboard is a pedal board replacement. It's too big to fit into an existing board which already has a bunch of pedals. It has the power to replace those pedals, so the large size doesn't matter. The HX Stomp is not a pedal board replacement. It's designed to be small enough (and have the requisite I/O) to fit into a pedal board as a peer of the pedals that a guitarist already owns and wants to keep.

If you're searching for someone to argue with about the Gigboard vs. the HX Stomp, you'll have to look elsewhere smile.gif .

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 5 2018, 08:24 AM) *
At first I thought it was just a repackaging into a lower cost alternative. But that's not what it is at all. It's designed to appeal to a different kind of guitarist, one who wants to add amp modeling to their pedal board instead of replacing their pedal board. In that respect, it's a radically different design.

For every guitarist who is comfortable replacing their rig with an AX8 or Helix Floor or Headrush, there are 10 who are interested in amp modeling, but want to keep the prized pedals they have on their pedal board. This is for those 10.


To me this all sounds good.

What I did not like about Line6 before was that they were more interested in repackaging their outdated amp models rather than fixing their sound. They had many years to give us guitarists better tones as they were market leading - but it wasn't until they started facing serious competition they started delivering.

From what I understand the Helix sounds are now competitive - so Line6 has my support to re-enter the repackaging biz wink.gif

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This is a very good point you bring up. They had a pretty big lead on the rest of the biz for a while. But instead of getting new algos, they just made the boxes prettier and added more blinking lights and such. They still had the same problems with their high gain sounds especially that they have always had.

Only recently have they finally gotten serious about making new attemps at better sounding gear. I gotta say, it does sound better smile.gif I demoed the plugin version of the HELIX line and was imprssed at the variety of tones and even the quality of the high gain tones which had been their big problem issue for years imho.
It's good to see them adapting to the market rather than just trying to window dress their old products.
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 8 2018, 02:07 AM) *
To me this all sounds good.

What I did not like about Line6 before was that they were more interested in repackaging their outdated amp models rather than fixing their sound. They had many years to give us guitarists better tones as they were market leading - but it wasn't until they started facing serious competition they started delivering.

From what I understand the Helix sounds are now competitive - so Line6 has my support to re-enter the repackaging biz wink.gif

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