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Posted by: JVM May 4 2008, 12:37 AM

So, as some of you may know, I recently bought a mesa boogie f-50 head and 1x12 cab. For now, this is a great setup. But eventually I'm going to want to get a bigger cab. I don't think I would need or want a 4x12, so instead I'm looking at getting an avatar 2x12 cab. I'd also like to get a stand. I'd never even considered a stand until I saw a picture of the laney lionheart which has a nice stand for it, to angle it back for better sound projection and such. So my question is, do you guys know any stands that could work for a head and 2x12 cab combo?

I'm looking at something like http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/OnStage-Stands-Pro-Tiltback-Amp-Stand?sku=451011, which I think has enough strength to support it. The cab weights 65 pounds (I'm looking at a black/black dual vintage 30 one of http://www.avatarspeakers.com/Contemporary%20212.htm), but the head may weigh 25 pounds or over, I'm not sure. I have a pair of 25 pound weights I use, and though you don't grab the head the same way you grab the weights, it feels like a similar weight. Either way, I'll weigh it myself and make sure.

My main concern with a stand like that is not how much weight it would support (because you can get stands that support more weight) but whether or not it would support the head. These things are mostly built for combo amps it seems, and I'm not sure if my cab would take up most/all of the backing support which I would want the head to rest on. Hope I didn't ramble too much

Posted by: skennington May 4 2008, 12:48 AM

Hey man, I think the back support would be my biggest concern. You could always extend those with some allum. chanel. Just make sure that the chanel square is large enough and cut it to accomidate the head. With amp in stand, you would never see the extentions.

EDIT: Also you must consider the "Tip" factor. If it sits to high for the stands base, the weight of the head may tip it over.

Posted by: MickeM May 4 2008, 04:11 PM

A slanted 4x12 and keep the combo on top of it. Problem solved
I don't really see a stand that first could lean the 212 backwards and then a stand on top of it to stand straight and hold the combo.

I've kept my combo on top of a 412, set aside it's sticking out both back and front it saves floor space. Your other option would be to have your 212 on the floor, put a wedge (book or whatever) beneath it to get it leaning and then keep the combo on the floor beside or behind it and you'd end up hogging a lot of space. Besides, a 412 and a 212 takes up the same amount of floor space - unless you keep the 212 standing but nah...


I don't see a problem whatso ever with a slanted 412. The only problem I can see is when you'd want a full stack and can't keep the combo on the top

Posted by: ZakkWylde May 4 2008, 04:16 PM

4x12slanted cab like MickeM said and all you'll have to worry about is the weight

Posted by: JVM May 4 2008, 05:39 PM

No no guys i think your misunderstand, I don't have a combo, it's an amp head. So the head and 2x12 cab would be much smaller than a 2x12 and a combo or a 4x12 and a combo. If you guys seriously suggest not considering a 2x12 option and getting a 4x12, then if you could make some suggestions to good 4x12 cabs that arent really expensive that would be cool.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic May 4 2008, 08:40 PM

I think a 2x12 cab is enough of power for most uses. 4x12 is great for large-extra large venues. Anything bellow that - 2x12 is quite capable handling. Buy yourself and avatar and tilt it a little - my advice.

Posted by: JVM May 4 2008, 08:47 PM

I agree pretty much. Do you think it would be a good way to tilt the amp to buy a stand?

Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea May 4 2008, 10:21 PM

thats a nice stand but in think if you put the cap on the stand you will not feel the hum bass as the cap on the ground

Posted by: MickeM May 4 2008, 11:18 PM

you're joking of course haha, sorry mate, I only got the part where ÿou were deciding on a 1x12 or 2x12 combo. never got it that you went for a head.

A 212 works of course. A slanted 412 has a huge advantage from one point of view - It's got height.
If you're performing on a low stage or on the floor (which happens on occacion) you don't have to lift the 212 up from the floor 1 meter.
You can lean the 212 and that means that the sound is directed rather ok but not perfect for the listerers far back in the rook. Imagine a flashlight (or two rather for a 212). On the height ~1 meter it will luminate most of the room. On the floor, not too well. Put a wedge beneath it and it luminates the room quite ok, but the center goes to far up back in the room and up front the sound mostly centers on the audiences knees.

A slanted 412 solves a guitarists all problems. And on wheels it's easy to transport.

But sure, they are a bit more expensive.

Like Ivans says, a 212 will likely manage all you'll ever need. If you wedge it up it's ok. If you find a useful stand so you get it up quite a bit it's perfect.