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GMC Forum _ PRACTICE ROOM _ Lesson Difficulty Inside Lessons
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 15 2009, 02:05 PM
If you check out a lesson you will find this kind of number in the upper right corner: 
So you easily can see the level of difficulty without having to look elsewhere. 
Once again I want to remind you that difficulty level is a vague estimation - and should only be used as a very rough guideline!
Posted by: Mandos Jan 15 2009, 02:06 PM
Thanks Kris, this is a very welcome addition. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: kaznie_NL Jan 15 2009, 02:07 PM
Yay! I've been waiting for this 
Thanks Kris!
Posted by: superize Jan 15 2009, 02:15 PM
Great Kris......
Posted by: skennington Jan 15 2009, 02:15 PM
Nice addition Kris.
Posted by: timono Jan 15 2009, 02:16 PM
Great!! nice work, GMC keeps getting better and better
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Jan 15 2009, 02:20 PM
Great work guys! That's a really useful feature
Posted by: ZakkWylde Jan 15 2009, 02:22 PM
Finally! That feature was overdue and now the lessons are perfect
Posted by: Wabba Jan 15 2009, 02:31 PM
Great work! Now, how about adding that kinda system into the quick search and random lessons?
Posted by: Velvet Roger Jan 15 2009, 02:33 PM
Nice addition Kris, many thanks
Posted by: Canis Jan 15 2009, 02:33 PM
Yay! Better late then never ^^
Great work =)
Posted by: Muris Varajic Jan 15 2009, 02:34 PM
Cool feature Kris, thanks.
Posted by: berko Jan 15 2009, 02:34 PM
I've just noticed it, great job Kris! I also have to admit that these numbers should be used as simple guidelines instead of measuring your own level with them.
Posted by: David Wallimann Jan 15 2009, 02:43 PM
Great feature Kris, that is a real plus!
Makes me think of something..
Not sure how we would put that together though, but here it is...
It would be cool and motivating for people to sign up if they could "win" these points by finishing the lesson. Members can then exchange points for goodies in a store sections (GMC picks, T-Shirts, membership, secret lessons, and so on)
I think that would not only encourage people to sign up, but also promote the website thanks to the T-Shirts and stuff users win. For those of you who play XBox360, it's kind of like achievement points, except that here you can actually use the points to get stuff.
The only thing is that we would need a way to validate the points and determine how to win them...
I know this is a random idea, but what do you think, is that worth brainstorming?
Posted by: Mandos Jan 15 2009, 02:55 PM
That's an awesome idea David.
One way to validate the points is just to make people upload a video of the lesson.
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 15 2009, 03:09 PM
I like your thinking David. Great idea.
Posted by: David Wallimann Jan 15 2009, 03:16 PM
One way to validate the points is just to make people upload a video of the lesson.
Yeah, that's good!
They put it on youtube, meaning more advertisement for GMC too. :-)
Posted by: ErikEklund Jan 15 2009, 03:25 PM
great feature kris
Posted by: Emir Hot Jan 15 2009, 03:32 PM
very cool to have this number, I think it makes a difference
Posted by: Zynex Jan 15 2009, 03:48 PM
Great job chris . I think this is very handy 
Posted by: Matt23 Jan 15 2009, 04:09 PM
Thanks Kris. This is very useful.
Posted by: Canis Jan 15 2009, 04:12 PM
That's the idea of the year, David 
I'm all for that! The instructors could be judges and determine how many points the student should get. If I take a level 7 lesson, and get 5 points on it for example, I could "clean up my act" and record a new take on it to claim the remaining 2 points I didn't get if I impress the instructor enough
Posted by: Vasilije Vukmirovic Jan 15 2009, 04:13 PM
Cool feature. Very helpful!
Posted by: Fran Jan 15 2009, 05:48 PM
Awesome, awesome, I was so looking forward to this, it's vague, but it helps!
Posted by: Ramiro Delforte Jan 15 2009, 06:26 PM
Really great new feature!!
Thanx
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Jan 15 2009, 07:12 PM
Hey that's a really cool idea David...It can be a good motivation for people to complete whole lessons and than have the proof of that in some sort of Stats online...
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jan 15 2009, 07:25 PM
Cool feature GMC - good job
Posted by: berko Jan 15 2009, 07:28 PM
David's idea is great!!
If it's well organized (instructors as judges) and if it's no problem to acquire these points then this could be a strong inspiration to tackle lessons as a whole with BT.
Posted by: opeth.db Jan 15 2009, 07:28 PM
Makes me think of something..
Not sure how we would put that together though, but here it is...
It would be cool and motivating for people to sign up if they could "win" these points by finishing the lesson. Members can then exchange points for goodies in a store sections (GMC picks, T-Shirts, membership, secret lessons, and so on)
I think that would not only encourage people to sign up, but also promote the website thanks to the T-Shirts and stuff users win. For those of you who play XBox360, it's kind of like achievement points, except that here you can actually use the points to get stuff.
The only thing is that we would need a way to validate the points and determine how to win them...
I know this is a random idea, but what do you think, is that worth brainstorming?
YES!
Posted by: kaznie_NL Jan 15 2009, 07:47 PM
It's in the journal!
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 15 2009, 08:09 PM
Thanks for all the great feedback! My apologies for not delivering this earlier to you!
Makes me think of something..
Not sure how we would put that together though, but here it is...
It would be cool and motivating for people to sign up if they could "win" these points by finishing the lesson. Members can then exchange points for goodies in a store sections (GMC picks, T-Shirts, membership, secret lessons, and so on)
I think that would not only encourage people to sign up, but also promote the website thanks to the T-Shirts and stuff users win. For those of you who play XBox360, it's kind of like achievement points, except that here you can actually use the points to get stuff.
The only thing is that we would need a way to validate the points and determine how to win them...
I know this is a random idea, but what do you think, is that worth brainstorming?
This is an excellent idea David!
At this point we can't really do the "sending stuff" part though, (we tried with gmc t-shirts but we don't have enough people to handle that kind of administration - so site development was suffering).However - secret lessons and free mebership (etc) isn't a problem. Actually - I think the coolest would be if we could have some kind of badge thing or similar - showing how many points you have got right under your avatar..!
So - anybody interested in putting a structure for this together? We would have to think a little about who will be in the jury etc. This could also be a first step towards a GMC diploma!
Posted by: David Wallimann Jan 15 2009, 08:19 PM
Great!
Glad you like the idea man.
I'd be happy to help with structuring that.
Just not quite sure where to start...
Posted by: Nemanja Filipovic Jan 15 2009, 08:40 PM
Great job guys.
Posted by: Sensible Jones Jan 15 2009, 09:39 PM
Great addition Kris!!
What a brilliant idea David!
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 15 2009, 10:26 PM
Hey, cool feature and one that was sought after!
Also, David's idea sounds great to me! If you guys need an extra hand, you can count on me!
Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea Jan 15 2009, 10:49 PM
nice feature & good job.
Posted by: Ijdgaf Jan 19 2009, 06:32 PM
as i was one of the people requesting this feature, i don't really need to mention again how useful i think this is..
thanks!
Posted by: Toni Suominen Jan 20 2009, 08:42 PM
Great addition Kris!
I like your idea David, can't wait to see what it will lead to
Posted by: buttmonk Jan 22 2009, 03:43 PM
So you easily can see the level of difficulty without having to look elsewhere.
Once again I want to remind you that difficulty level is a vague estimation - and should only be used as a very rough guideline!
yeh! I have thought this would be good for a long time....
Posted by: Praetorian Jan 22 2009, 03:45 PM
Awesome Kris!! This is an EXTREMELY helpful addition!!
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 22 2009, 04:25 PM
I just posted this to David and Kris and David thought I should post it here so here is my idea for the points system or a foundation for its working.
Hey,
I love your idea for the points given for completed lessons. Just some pointers that I think may be useful. I think you need to split members of the site into 3 categories first (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced). This is so Advanced people can't just learn 3 rated lessons and build up masses of points in days. A beginner should tackle lessons with a difficulty of 1 to 4, an intermediate from 4 to 7 and an advanced from 7 to 10 to get maximum points available for that lesson with a perfect take. If an advanced member tackles a lesson which is intermediate lower bound 4-6 then he'd only get 50% of the points if he mastered the lesson. If an intermediate tackled a lesson that was 1-3 he'd only get 50% of the points. If an advanced person nails a 9 or 10 difficulty lesson I think he should get a bonus of 50% of the points. In an intermediate masters a lesson that is 7 or higher he should get a 50% point bonus and if a beginner masters a lesson 4 or above he should get a bonus of 50%. To make it even as an advanced member mastering a level 10 lesson should be the same as a beginner mastering a level 4 lesson there should be a generic points total as below.
Beginner
Difficulty 1 - 4 points
Difficulty 2 - 6 points
Difficulty 3 - 8 points
Difficulty 4 - 10 points
Intermediate
Difficulty 4 - 4 points
Difficulty 5 - 6 points
Difficulty 6 - 8 points
Difficulty 7 - 10 points
Advanced
Difficulty 7 - 4 points
Difficulty 8 - 6 points
Difficulty 9 - 8 points
Difficulty 10 - 10 points
If a Beginner masters 10 difficulty 4 lessons he should raise to Intermediate status and a small prize of some sorts
If an Intermediate masters 10 difficulty 7 lessons he should raise to Advanced status and a small prize of some sorts
If an Advanced masters 10 difficulty 10 lessons he should win a large prize
Then when competing a lesson the jury grades on quality up to 100% which gets all the points. The average from all the jury is taken and this goes into points. So the average is taken of the points on offer. So some examples.
If an advanced member does a difficulty 7 lesson and he gets an average of 25% then he'll get 1 point
If he gets a strange average of say 32% he'll still only get 1 point. He needs to get 50%-74% to get 2 points. This will encourage strong takes to improve. And 75% to 90% will get 3 points. The final 90%+ will get 100% just because you can't be perfect.
This makes a fair system I believe and is kind of my mini proposal to help out with this as I feel strongly that this can really help the students here at GMC reach their goals and have a clear view of their improvement.
I hope you like the idea,
Paul
Of course there are a few bits that may need changing but I think it works on the whole. This idea tries to encourage people to improve rather than to learn lessons that they can play in 3 or 4 minutes of learning. This isn't beneficial. And in theory an advanced guitarist should be able to learn a lesson 10 as well as a true beginner can learn a lesson with difficulty 4.
Posted by: SonofDestiny Jan 22 2009, 04:25 PM
Brilliant OC
Posted by: skennington Jan 22 2009, 04:46 PM
I think it's a good concept Paul and deserves some thought for sure.
Posted by: David Wallimann Jan 22 2009, 05:50 PM
Yeah, I like that idea a lot too.
Not sure what steps to take to get it done though...
Posted by: Jeff Jan 22 2009, 06:15 PM
Not sure what steps to take to get it done though...
Probably a first step is to establish an audition into one of the three categories - Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced. People can apply to whichever they believe they are in. Have an instructor do three lessons for people to record. Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced. Then evaluate what their skill set is based on their audition.
Instructors will know where to place them and should be able to determine if they are truly in the category that they are applying to. Then upon completion, give them some sort of a mark for their avatar or whatever that qualifies them to compete in certain challenges.
So as a staring point, have the instructors who are interested in this decide what existing lessons are appropriate at the various levels or even create new ones specifically for this purpose.
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 23 2009, 02:18 PM
Anybody else have any thoughts on my ideas above?
Posted by: kaznie_NL Jan 23 2009, 04:31 PM
I think it's a really cool idea. Before I start pointing out some weaker points, let me tell you I really like the idea very very much! Now the But part...
-In the past we had more of these kinda ideas being implented. Often people liked the idea, but in the end they didn't really use it! To make sure this is really used, you should make this project seen very often. You need to find a way to get every one to take part!
-Second point, there are always members who want to get competitive, but not on a cool way. You can't say if someone is beginner/intermediate/advance, the only one who can is the person himself. Now an Advanced player could say he's beginner and then do 9 levels 4 and 60 lever three lessons and get a whole lot of points! I also think that a beginner in the range of level 3 or 4 has an easier job getting point then a beginner in the 1-2 range! A big thingie here is that lots of members say they are beginner, but when I watch their movies, they must be at least intermediate! People underestimate themselfs!
-last point, try to simplify it a bit. If you have to posts movies or soundclips of you playing the lesson, then that's great because we can check whether someone really is able to play the lesson, but on the other hand it creates an excuse not to join in this project. Just playing it and clicking "I can play this" is way simpler then having to make an MP3 recording, after finding a way to download the BT!
I hope this was understandable and helpful...
Posted by: David Wallimann Jan 23 2009, 04:59 PM
There are things that need to be clarified for sure, but I like the idea that instructors will be judging this and classify students by their level.
That is only in the student's benefit, as working on lessons fitting your level will make you progress faster.
That really would be the best benefit I think of that idea. Besides maybe offering little gifts for the number of points attained, the most rewarding price would be to really improve and have more of a focused dedicated studying time.
This could be linked to the MTP program that recently started...
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jan 24 2009, 03:05 PM
This sounds great guys. I am happy to see GMC will expand even more and fit your goals
Posted by: audiopaal Jan 24 2009, 08:37 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you and thank you
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