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Posted by: Jakub Luptovec May 12 2009, 05:17 PM

Since my guitar is at the luthier now for a few days I am spending a lot of time just looking around for stuff to practice when I'll get my guitar back.

Randomly, I discovered this today


Basicly what he is doing is, he takes of the 7th from a scale, thus creating very easy paterns for playing, which naturally repeat each octave, so you have no way how to get lost The 7ths position can be calculated in spot easily, since its just 1 or 2 frets higher than your 6th.. (well okay, maybe even tree, if it was minor 6th and major 7th - say melodic minor)

EDIT: Btw. funny thing happened at 4:33 - he said "Now we will jump into another octave" and when he said that "octAVE" he started playing and his voice had exactly the same pitch as his tone on guitar

Posted by: Gus May 12 2009, 05:30 PM

Really interesting view. This should be taught even before of showing the full scale pattern!

I will try this later when I get home.

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 12 2009, 05:32 PM

He played 7th at 2:40, G over A Dorian.

Joking ofc, a fine way to cross more over fingerboard
while keeping 3nps shapes only, something has to be missed indeed.

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec May 12 2009, 05:36 PM

sure, but if you move from the ionian pattern (Lets say in key of C) - playing CDEFGA - to dorian pattern DEFGAB, while C maj7 is still ringing, I bet that licks produced by this will sound very tasty at high speed. I have no way to check tho:D Guys lend me a guitar till friday

Muris: He doesnt play anything at 2:40 :-O On the other hand, sadder fact is, that it is somewhere there, and I dont hear it (the 7th)

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic May 12 2009, 05:50 PM

Very cool, some interesting ideas in here to develop and incorporate into practice! Thanks for sharing

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 12 2009, 06:26 PM

My bad, I mixed minutes and seconds, it's at 4:20.

And if I may, if you just move from C Ionian to D Dorian
you perhaps don't move at all, you just change chord in progression,
you'll still be hearing C chord as a root and not Dm,
not to mention if you play over C chord all the time.

Posted by: Emir Hot May 12 2009, 06:28 PM

very nice patterns. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Velvet Roger May 12 2009, 06:29 PM

Nice way of getting accross the fretboard indeed, thanks for this

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 12 2009, 06:34 PM

Thank you for sharing this video Jakub, very useful.

I was applying this same concept at Berklee for 3 octave scales modes and arpeggios.

Difference is, you can choose how you want to divide your combinations. Since its 7 note scale, you can either do 4 + 3 or 3 + 4 notes.

In other words you could do G major scale starting on low E string and do G A B (3 notes) then go to A string and do C D E and move your pinky to F#! Then repeat everything in 3 octaves.
You can do it with 1st finger sliding from 7th to root of the scale also.

So you do now G A B (e string) , C D E (a string) F# to G with 1st finger and continue the pattern etc

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec May 12 2009, 07:32 PM

What do you mean by 3+4 or 4+3? That you play 3 notes on 1st string and 4 on the 2nd and vice versa? Just sliding to/from the 7th?

Posted by: ErikEklund May 12 2009, 08:05 PM

cool way to approach modes

Posted by: Ramiro Delforte May 12 2009, 08:12 PM

Nice vid mate!
Thanx for sharing it

Posted by: Oxac May 12 2009, 09:09 PM

Kinda loses the point of mixolydian

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec May 12 2009, 09:29 PM

harmonic minor would also lose its sense, but its not ment as a modes showoff - its more of a helper in mapping the fretboard OR a pattern for lickbuilding. You can add the 7th as a last note of lick or w/e so the mixolydian dominant tonality is emphasised

Posted by: lcsdds May 12 2009, 09:38 PM

I first learned that in an Andy James tune. He did it playing 2nps 7th arpeggios. Very cool technique that can be used for any type of pattern....

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec May 12 2009, 09:57 PM

Mind to post a tab sinppet or track name?

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 12 2009, 10:16 PM

Just slide from 7 to 1 and keep up the same thing.
You actually start 3 but then you play 4 on same place but octave/s higher,
3+3+4+3+4+3.

Posted by: lcsdds May 12 2009, 10:17 PM

Do a search for "Andy James E lydian" on youtube.....his video is on my youtube page......lcsdds is my name there too. You will see him do two runs using those "octave" shape runs. I don't have youtube at work or I'd tell you exactly when they occur. I tabbed them out so PM me if you want the tab for the runs and I can tell you exactly where they occur when I get home. They are pretty cool.....Muris does something similar in his Phrygian Advanced lesson although he spices it up a little more.....but the same idea.

Posted by: jdriver May 12 2009, 11:55 PM

I was just about to make my own video of this, only a lot less complicated. I'll try to hurry up and get it done. I thought everyone already knew this, but I guess not. There are some other pretty amazing things you can do along these lines. I don't understand the point of leaving out the 7, unless it is to stick exclusively to 3nps. I'm going to show how to play any scale from anywhere and not get lost. The way I was taught also covers 3 octave runs, even some 4's.

Pedja: My teacher also taught me that early on, 3+4 slide. But I have something else in mind.

Posted by: lcsdds May 13 2009, 12:11 AM

The reason he leaves out the 7ht note is to simplify the shape. If you add the 7th note of the scale then it becomes a 3 string shape with 3nps on 2 strings and 1 note on the 3rd string. It's just for simplicity's sake I believe.

Posted by: kjutte May 13 2009, 12:33 AM

maj6 and min7 is just half step apart, so could play 4th 5th and min7 interval on same string with a small stretch only.
But yes, ofc, it's just a pattern lesson.

Posted by: lcsdds May 13 2009, 01:45 AM

Here is the video. The first lick occurs at about 0:41 and the second lick at about 1:55....

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 13 2009, 04:58 AM

Exactly like that Jakub !

You could also do 4+ 3 as I mentioned in example above.

Start from G on 3rd fret 6th string.
Play G A B (3 5 7 frets)
Then you play C D E (3 5 7 frets) A string
And then you play F# G A B ( 4 5 7 9 ) D string.

Here is where you use 1st finger for F# and G in order to continue 4 + 3 pattern .

Hope that makes sense now.

Posted by: AlexLion May 13 2009, 07:50 AM

Nice thing, never tried

Posted by: berko May 13 2009, 07:57 AM

Nice concept and thanks Pedja for all the explanations, it made it much clear!

Posted by: wrk May 13 2009, 09:21 AM

Hm .. these 6nps pattern sounds somehow weird i think, but it is for sure easier.
Could be a good exercise for the left hand thought. The slide to the 7th to complete the scale can be added in a second step.

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 13 2009, 02:46 PM

Simplicity and breaking the habit of regular full diatonic stuff, yeah.

Posted by: lcsdds May 13 2009, 03:50 PM

It really is a cool technique....and two string shape will work. Any two string sequence will work as well. Only limits are your imagination

Posted by: jdriver May 15 2009, 09:13 AM

Here is my video response to this thread. Obviously I did not rehearse.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 02:23 PM

Excellent !

Thats exactly what I was talking about when I was mentioning sliding with 4th finger. You can also do sliding with 1st finger if you do 3+ 4 combination.

Well done Jeff !

Posted by: lcsdds May 15 2009, 03:07 PM

Good job Jeff....well done.