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Posted by: Gabbez Oct 14 2008, 09:29 PM

Hi

I'm going to buy a LINE6 POD XT LIVE and I wonder if I can plug it in to a cabinet or do I need a combo or head, will it work and sound as it will on my computer?

Cheers // Gabbez!

Posted by: jer Oct 14 2008, 09:32 PM

It is not amplified at all.

So, no, you cant go to a cabinet.

You'd need an amplified speaker, or amp then cabinet.

People get mixed results with this type of thing when it comes to getting the same sound you get on your PC as you do when playing "live".

One thing that a lot of people give good reviews to is a full frequency/full range speaker setup. Like JBL Eons.

I have a similar processor as that Pod and I go to a Carvin tube amp then guitar cabinet.

Works for me.

Posted by: MickeM Oct 14 2008, 09:36 PM

And in addition to jer's complete answer - the POD X3 atleast has setting where you tell where in the chain and with what equpiment you're using it with. Like PA/AMP/FXLoop and sp fprth (Obs! thats not the right terms Line6 uses, but similar)

Posted by: Ramiro Delforte Oct 14 2008, 09:36 PM

That kind of equipment is prepared to function in a studio but you can plug it to a head or a combo as well. The guitarrist from Meshuggah uses 4 or 5 Line 6 Pro when playing live.

Posted by: jer Oct 14 2008, 09:40 PM

True.

These settings are very important. Devices like this wont sound the same going thru a preamp and guitar rig vs a set of PC speakers.

Those settings help it adjust itself to sound best thru whatever you are running it into.

As for running it into traditional guitar rigs. (Like the dude from Meshuggah) its important to know that you can usually turn the modeling aspects off as well. Using it just for effects. I'mn ot saying you cannot use the modeling modes when going into a guitar rig. But know that you may be hearing the overdrive from the guys wall of Mesas (or whatever he uses) and only a few effects from the Pod sitting there.

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 14 2008, 09:56 PM

Thanks for answers You know any good stack to buy for around 500-600$?. Were looking at this one http://www.thomann.de/se/behringer_gmx1200hhb_g412a_set.htm . You think this can be something good?

Cheers // Gabbez

Posted by: jer Oct 14 2008, 09:59 PM

I havent heard anything about the Behringers.

The Peavey Valve King is probably one of the best for the money.

Unless you go used.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 14 2008, 10:52 PM

I would suggest saving some money and going for Valveking as well. That Behringer doesn't really get my confidence.

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 14 2008, 11:22 PM

Is this a good choice? http://www.thomann.de/gb/prod_cbundle_383.html?gk=gieahetu&cbcid=2414&art=72095
// Gabbez

Posted by: MickeM Oct 14 2008, 11:28 PM

I don't think so. First off, what do you need a 412 cab for? Ok, look who's asking I've got two 412's myself but to my defense I've also got a small 30w tube combo and a small solid state peavey. A 80w amp, my first, that's from the late 80's and to be honest that's the one I've had most pleaseure from. It sounded ok and kept me going for a couple years but after one year ot so I felt I wanted something better. Small as it is I had no problem stashing it in a closet, doesn't eat a lot of room.

That Behringer head and 412 cab, if you're a beginner guitarplayer they will last you a year befor eyou will start looking too. That's a qualified guess. Pricetag doesn't say 299 for top quality and you will see through that after a year.
So what are you going to do then? It's not storing matrerial! The cab itself won't be worth keeping if you aim for a new head, you'd want real gear for that.

I suggest you take a look at some more useful amps that could last you a longer time, a lot longer.
Marshall AVT is useful at home and for gigs. VOX AD series, I hear it's good. Also Hughes and Kettner have a solid state combo amp out called Attax. Worth checking imo, I think that one could be a lot of fun.

But don't make the mistake of getting a head + cab because the combination of big and cheap. You could end up with a lot of fire wood in the end.

Try to aim for 12" speaker, two is ten times better than one. (a 2x12 i.e.)
Pre amp tube can improve your sound
A couple of channels
An effects loop
Jack for extention cabinet (so you can add a 4x12 later if you still feel the need)
A few built in effects for a solid state is nice
Headphoes jack if you plan on playing in your bedroom

Then i think you're set for today and the close future and you'll have an amp that both works for gigs, band practice and playing with at home. So when situations change in a few ears from now you've had "all in one" and you can more easy know what you're looking for in an amp when you'll play the huge stages, e a studio musician or pub rocker or still bedroom hero.


Not sure what your needs are. Huge gigs, pubs, band practice, bedroom or what? That one is loud and still a 4x12 to go with it. A tube amp that will have maintenance, wither you hand it to the shop when it's time for tube change and possibly rebias. Cost + work. Are you up for that? I suggested solid state since I got the impression you were a beginner just wanting to learn to play and not bother about having to crank a tube amp.

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 14 2008, 11:45 PM

Thanks MickeM!
Well I want to use it at home and band practice and I'm planning to use the pod xt live. So I won't be using the effects on the amp so much. So what do you recommend? Maybe a combo is better for me since I'm a beginner. But I want something that lasts a few years.

// Gabbez

Posted by: Noangels Oct 14 2008, 11:47 PM

I wouldnt buy that floor pedal if I was you,mind you I dont know what price your paying

You might be able to get a good deal on a Line 6 flexytone 3 combo amp,that has a lot of the vetta sounds(I have a vetta 11 head)and they sound realy good.You can also go direct out to PC audio cards and music OS,and of course you have a 60 watt amp that should be good enough for small gigs and easily match what ever volumes your Drummer is throwing your direction

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/line6-flextone/7072

http://line6.com/flextoneiii/sounds.html

there are some sound files to show you the tone on these lil amps:)

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 14 2008, 11:51 PM

Well, I want to be able to plug it in to the computer and record easy. Thats one of the reasons I am looking on the pod xt live.

Posted by: Noangels Oct 14 2008, 11:59 PM

the line 6 flexytone 3 can record into PC too,you can also do all the editing for it from Pc and download guitar settings and transfer over.

I think it does everything the pedal does tone wise but in an amp format-and if you wanted to buy a pedal for the amp you can(I have the line 6 full board pedal,a monster of a pedal!)

check out Line 6's flexytone 3 page to hear samples and look at vids of the amp in action

Posted by: MickeM Oct 15 2008, 07:25 AM

The Flextone sounds like a plan - POD, Practice amp for home and enough to gig with all in one.

Posted by: Noangels Oct 15 2008, 08:00 AM

yeahh mate,its not a bad workhorse.I did a gig with one once when we played a small venue in bath with a lot of other bands-couldnt deal with the hassle of taking my big rig with me so settled for the small flexy 2 combo and a couple of axes

most places these days have PA's and soundmen,so it worked out fine with a sm57 close micing it.and was very easy to clear up gear at the end of the night!

I think the flexy 3 should sound great as it has vetta models-funny thing with those amps is they sound killer live but imo lack when recording compared to mesa's and blades

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 15 2008, 10:44 AM

Thanks for answers! I think i go for the Flextone. I will try it first but i will save loads of money if i buy it. So http://www.thomann.de/gb/line6_flextoneiii_egitarrencombo.htm is a good choise? And i wont need a pedal right?

// Gabbez

Posted by: Noangels Oct 15 2008, 11:36 AM

whether you need a pedal depends on your bands setlist and tones-to be honest I normaly roll off guitar volume for a semi broken guitar tone when not in ful blown rock overdrive mode rather than have to walk over to my pedal board and use it!

You might very well need one for the future as its handy for solo boosts-Thats the only time I normaly put my foot down on the board when I need to punch through the band with a solo

Let us know what you think of the FLexy,If there anything like my Vetta 2 head tone wise it will be more than enough to use at home,in the studio or with the band at most gigs:)

Looking at your link,I would say thats a fair price-good looking amps too and like I mentioned earlier you can download hundreds of presets for it online.Also being solidstate means there sturdy,can be thrown around venues with ease

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 15 2008, 11:57 AM

Thanks all for the fast responds . Well i will buy a guitar, amp and pedal I think but I will try the Flextone and im thinking of the Pod XT live pedal to begin with since it have many kinds of effects and diffrent pedals. And since I will have the amp in the rehearsal hall my band are training in it can be good to plug the pedal in to the computer and use the PC speakers at home to play with so I dont have to bother to get my amp home every time .

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 15 2008, 08:10 PM

Sure mate, POD Live is a good choice to buy first.

As for the amp, MickeM gave you a pretty reasonable advice. I think you will be happy with 50W hybrid combo, with possibility to plug in extension cabinet, then to buy a big valve head+cab that you will not push to it's good tone 95% of the time. If you wanna use only your POD for distortion and everything else, you can even get an amp with a one good channel and then use the distortion form POD.

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 15 2008, 08:38 PM

Ok Thanks all for the help! Will look around some more and go try this things. Thanks all!

/// Gabbez

Posted by: Jeff Oct 15 2008, 08:43 PM

Let me throw out something to consider, especially if you are a beginner. With all of these types of amps these days, - Line6 mostly from my experience - you will get A LOT of built in effects that you may or may not use. Usually, they come with an owners manual that can choke a horse - perhaps these days they are on CD, but regardless, sometimes you can get caught up in a mess of effects that you don't know how to get out of, especially playing live. I know from owning a Line6 AX212. Too many things to program for me.

Anyway, you may get lost in all of that stuff. I'm too lazy to keep up with all of it but that certainly does not mean that you will be, but sometimes simplicity is the best thing. Admittedly, I own a PODxt for recording and I love it. But for live applications, you may consider a good used or new tube amp with no built in effects apart from maybe reverb and then buy separate effect pedals, and only those ones you know you will use. I'm leaning in that direction myself. It just seems easier to me.

Just consider all of your options. Especially re-sale value. A good tube amp will holds it's value for longer and in my opinion, will almost always sound better, although others will certainly disagree. Just my 2 cents. You already have some great advice from other members above. Best of luck!

Posted by: jer Oct 15 2008, 09:08 PM

This is an excellent point.

These newfangled modeling multi effects things can be a bit complicated.

To become fluent in their use and to achieve success you'll need to spend some time tweaking. The preset tones will likely ONLY sound good on headphones and your PC. Not your amp. You'll need to tweak for that.

It can be done. Lots of folks are doing it.

But you gotta be committed to reading the manual and working to understand what it is you just bought.

You have 100 pedals and a complicated preamp sitting there with a tuner and some other crap thrown in on top of it.

Its gonna take time to learn how to run it.

If you arent patient you'll get frustrated and will be unhppy with it.

Some folks read manuals.

Some dont.

Posted by: Gabbez Oct 16 2008, 10:33 PM

Thanks for help all, I appreciate it!

Cheers // Gabbez!

Posted by: Noangels Oct 16 2008, 11:10 PM

I dont know guys,your making out modeling amps to be hard to use!

I tell you how easy the pod pro was for me-I tried preset 5.b and that was it!No eq adjusts,just added verb to my tastes and that did me happy for a few years!I couldnt give a monkeys about my Vetta heads built in pedal sounds,I just liked it for its great emulated amp head tones and yet again just added verb to my tastes and delay for the solo presets.
Same with my digitech 2120's or soldano,just find an amp tone you like and just fine tune the eq and gain and away you go!

Of course I dont use any of that now as I prefer the old fashioned way of close mic'ng speakers and cranking a tube amp as I dont have any neigbours near the bands recording area-and getting a good tone on any tube amp I have used is no easier than playing a modeling amp.

You can make your tone quest as easy or as hard as you want,if you want to buy millions of pedals then fair enough or perhaps you might just like me just want to plug your lead in a head and thats it:)

In fact tube amps are harder to dial in when you want to add verb/delay/phasers or whatever FX you have lying around as you have to patch into the fx loop or set your pedal chain in the correct order for every one to work the best it can.With modeling amps when you add multy fx they normaly go straight away in the right order they are ment to be!