Kris-must Charm :: Audio Collaboration, GMC students and instructor collab |
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Kris-must Charm :: Audio Collaboration, GMC students and instructor collab |
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Dec 22 2014, 11:36 PM |
Thank you very much for your feedback, Darius, Kris and Cosmin - I appreciate it very much! @ Kris: I completely agree - this type of echo is not very appropriate for this kind of soft track. Unfortunately I noticed it only after having recorded my take. So I tried to improve and recorded a second version. What do you think? And yes - it would be more than awesome if Knopfler could sing or Slash would shred... Still sounds lovely. The delay time and level is still set so that I can clearly hear the snap / attack part of the your sound at least twice, but after all sound is a matter of personal preference and since you seem to gravitate towards this type of sound I can't really recommend you should change it! I love how everyone is so involved with this one. So inspiring! Thanks GMCers! Keep'em coming! Here's my new take, more right to the point and with more expression I hope. Hi Rhida, this take still involves faster passages and as mentioned this is when I can hear syncing problems between your right/left hand as well as some timing issues (that are most likely a result of you pushing speed). These are not things you can quickly address. If you want to fix this as fast as possible, then you should practice at least one hour per day with any kind of picking exercise - and play super relaxed far below your comfort speed. Give it a month or two and you will start to notice results that will show in collabs as well. If you would like to improve your take for this collab - your best bet is to work on a simplified solo that has no fast sections at all. I would suggest that with the help of Cosmin - you set one mentor thread up with the specific task to polish and simplify your take, working against the deadline. When you are done with that, you could start a new thread where you set up monthly goals that involve improving your general technique and more specifically hand synchronization. Please let me know if you would like to give this a shot? Ok folks, here's my little attempt. I'm not expecting to get in the finished article but it's all about joining in and getting feedback eh? I've kept it simple rather than go beyond my skill level. [attachment=40276:Crimbo_c...g_take_1.wav] Cheers Phil Hi Phil, thanks so much for submitting your take. Everyone will make it to the final product. This is a very nice, static/dreamy kind of solo. You do everything by the book with the way you build this solo, without forgetting the ever so important breathing rooms. This immediately helps elevate your take, musically. The beginning phrases are pretty much by the book as I said, so the next step is to start thinking about those subtle details which can turn - apparently simple - phrases into heart melting music. This is not a fast thing to do, I worked for 9 months to become more aware of those subtle details in this solo. Yet I am not sure the recording turned out 'heart melting' And the idea was quite simple: play it over and over and try to analyse how a micro bend here, a ritardando there, softer picking etc - affects the whole thing. Once you become aware of those tiny details, you can start using them as tools - just the same way as you would use a picking vs hammer-ons etc. If you want to try and boost your take before the deadline, I would suggest you try to get a warmer sound. This can be done with a pedal or software, or by simply adding some light overdrive/distortion on your amp and maybe turn down the treble. Play the solo every day until the deadline - most effective will be if you can split your sessions up into 3x30 minutes per day. And spread those sessions out during the day. The idea is to practice this with full concentration, if you start thinking about other things while playing - you should stop and rest your brain (do something else). I think you have potential to deliver something very interesting with such a strong start! Uff high level here! This is my take... or first shot I change the final part of the gp5 file because it was imposible to play right with my actually skills... but the new final sounds cool too... but it's not very well played yet ummm... hope you liked! https://soundcloud.com/david-vico-2/the-kris-must-charm-collab-huargo-mix [attachment=40277:thekris_...tar_only.wav] Ouch this one put a smile on my face, and you make me look silly because you showed that it's perfectly possible to pull of some intense stuff from the beginning without making any musical compromises. I can't really recommend you to change anything, sound is beautiful to me - and you built the melody up perfectly with melodic/harmony dubs, and you save your horse power and high notes until the end which is the safest way to do it, and it works! You also introduced jazzy double (etc) stops which almsot feel like a must over this backing (figuratively speaking) now that we've heard your take. Man this was beautiful, I would have been very proud if this was my take! |
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Dec 23 2014, 09:21 PM |
@Kris: Back again with a new change over 00:26-00:27. Sorry, but I can't sleep until I will not fix everything in my take
First idea was to make that ritardando for the whole phrase, but I succeed to manage only a "stupidando" This happened because in that part I didn't heard nothing wrong and when I tried to apply the ritardando, I was out off the beat. But I come out with another solution...I changed that phrase and I think it’s more tasty in this way. Also I know you didn’t pointed, but at 00:13- 00:14 I was a little in front of beat and I played in this way for many times. To be sure that I will not make again this mistake, I changed the accent over notes and I think was a good move because sound definitely much better and gives a more staccato feel. What you think about how it sound now? Kris_Collab_Backing_Guitar.wav ( 8.7MB ) Number of downloads: 468 Kris_Collab_Guitar.wav ( 9.34MB ) Number of downloads: 176 |
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Dec 23 2014, 09:45 PM |
Hello everyone,
Back again, very similar, timing changed slightly on some parts, different guitar, same settings but with a touch more reverb. [attachment=40285:Crimbo_c...g_take_2.wav] [attachment=40286:Crimbo_c...g_take_2.wav] Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 23 2014, 10:19 PM |
So Darius I still figure how to use reaper with the free plug-ins from Lepou and Line 6 that I put in there. Kris I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Anyway I made a new one today with simpler melody and new sound. So there it is. Cool Rhida, I think this simpler structure is more adapted to your current technical level and therefore sounds better. However to me, a take with long sustained notes works well with a distorted sound. But this is obviously a matter of personal preference. It's really cool to see how devoted you are, as well as all other participants who have started working with this track from day 1! I have also started jamming a little on this track. I have also worked on tweaking a sound matching Darius/Monica's as I have always wanted to try that, and I have got decently close with an AC30 profile, some compression and touch sensitive EQ. I have also revived my Parker guitar that had some setup problems, as it's the only guitar I have with an alnico 5 single coil in neck position (cant be sure though, it's an unspecified custom dimarzio pickup). Feels amazing to play that guitar again @Kris: Back again with a new change over 00:26-00:27. Sorry, but I can't sleep until I will not fix everything in my take First idea was to make that ritardando for the whole phrase, but I succeed to manage only a "stupidando" This happened because in that part I didn't heard nothing wrong and when I tried to apply the ritardando, I was out off the beat. But I come out with another solution...I changed that phrase and I think it’s more tasty in this way. Also I know you didn’t pointed, but at 00:13- 00:14 I was a little in front of beat and I played in this way for many times. To be sure that I will not make again this mistake, I changed the accent over notes and I think was a good move because sound definitely much better and gives a more staccato feel. What you think about how it sound now? Kris_Collab_Backing_Guitar.wav ( 8.7MB ) Number of downloads: 468 Kris_Collab_Guitar.wav ( 9.34MB ) Number of downloads: 176 I think it sounds great! At this point we have started messing quite a bit with your original idea - and although it's a for a good cause we don't want to do it too much as it will kill the original feeling and spontaneity. However what matters here is the progress we're making and (correct me if I am wrong) but you have got some new input to digest for your coming practicing. As a longer term goal, what you could try to do is to choose one or two phrases that involve bending, and then play as many different variations on the bends (or rather variations of the phrasing of the bends). This will make sure that when you bend, you don't just think about doing a bend - but you will think about playing a specific type of bend phrasing which you have practiced. People listening will hear (either consciously or sub consciously) you meant to play that bend exactly the way you played it. Try to phrase those bends around the beat, so that you're in complete control of the timing of them. In slower type of songs, phrasing behind the beat is just unbeatable (no pun intended). Btw I have played stupidando a whole bunch of time as well today Hello everyone, Back again, very similar, timing changed slightly on some parts, different guitar, same settings but with a touch more reverb. [attachment=40285:Crimbo_c...g_take_2.wav] [attachment=40286:Crimbo_c...g_take_2.wav] Cheers Phil Thanks Phil, The third note at 00:05 is off, I think you play it to soon. And there is an out of tune note at 00:10. But from 00:15 I think it sounds really good. If you are inspired to keep practicing this, I would like to hear you more consciously play behind the beat as well - a bit more "relaxed". If it feels tricky, then you might want to practice some more playing on the beat - so that both your hands know exactly when they should be playing. When you have reached that point, you can try to relax things a little bit, and try to attack the notes a bit slower, try to play some passages just a tad behind the beat. I don't know if this makes sense? I personally think that these kind of details is what turns a great performance into amazing. |
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Dec 23 2014, 10:29 PM |
Thanks Phil, The third note at 00:05 is off, I think you play it to soon. And there is an out of tune note at 00:10. But from 00:15 I think it sounds really good. If you are inspired to keep practicing this, I would like to hear you more consciously play behind the beat as well - a bit more "relaxed". If it feels tricky, then you might want to practice some more playing on the beat - so that both your hands know exactly when they should be playing. When you have reached that point, you can try to relax things a little bit, and try to attack the notes a bit slower, try to play some passages just a tad behind the beat. I don't know if this makes sense? I personally think that these kind of details is what turns a great performance into amazing. Thanks Kristopher, The note at 10:00 could be out due to too much finger pressure. I swapped from an Ibanez RG1570 to an Epiphone Les Paul and the neck felt a little slippery so I was fretting too hard. Did it sound slightly sharp to you? I do struggle to listen to the backing track closely when playing, ask Cosmin about it, we have struggled for about 100 years How was the tone for you? I prefer it to the last take. I'll have another go tomorrow. Cheers buddy. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 23 2014, 11:50 PM |
Sorry forgot to say, the tone is waay better. So much warmer, what did you do? Lol, I did say in my post. I swapped Ibz RG1570 for Epiphone Les Paul without stock pups and put a bit more reverb into the sound. cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 24 2014, 12:09 PM |
Who else is in on this one? I see you guys are working hard and making a lot of progress There's still plenty of time until the deadline will be upon us, so keep'em coming
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Dec 24 2014, 09:39 PM |
Ok take 3.
I changed the double stops in the ending to single notes. What do you think? For the record, I was trying to aim for the solitude of Christmas for some people in the first half and the frustration that can bring on in the second half. I was thinking that it could be built by other people into a more joyous track or maybe something like this at the end as a reminder that there are lonely people out there. Thinking along the lines of Circles by Joe Satriani. [attachment=40290:Crimbo_c...g_take_3.wav] [attachment=40291:Crimbo_c...g_take_3.wav] Cheers everyone. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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