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Dec 10 2011, 11:49 AM |
Hi!
I'm a huge noob when it comes to guitar equipment, I've been that kind of player who've been sitting in his room practicing with an amp simulating software or at best a 50W combo amp. I've got very little knowledge about amp heads and how they work, but I am in need of one now since me and my band are moving in to our own rehearsal premesis. During my years playing in various bands it has always been a stack that I could borrow, and I never really cared about getting one for myself. Thought times are a changing! I'm of course planning on going to the nearest music store and try out some amps, but first I would like for you guys to share some of your knowledge in this matter. This is good sample of the distortion I usually play with while messing around with guitar rig. http://www.speedyshare.com/file/pU2T8/Shade-distortion.wma I like the heavy and slightly muddy/dirty sound of it. I've been looking around the web, listening to playthrough's with various amps and reading alot of reviews. Theese are the ones that have caught my attention http://www.thomann.de/se/engl_powerball_ii_e6452_bstock.htm http://www.thomann.de/se/engl_blackmore_si...650_topteil.htm http://www.thomann.de/se/engl_savage_120_e610.htm http://www.thomann.de/se/peavey_6505_plus_...rrentopteil.htm And the peavey 5150 which I could not find at Thomann. Which one of theese would you recommend? If you wish to hear what kind of style I play you can check out my band at, only got a couple of samples up but you should be able to get the idea. http://www.facebook.com/desaihamusic |
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Dec 10 2011, 12:01 PM |
Hi! I'm a huge noob when it comes to guitar equipment, I've been that kind of player who've been sitting in his room practicing with an amp simulating software or at best a 50W combo amp. I've got very little knowledge about amp heads and how they work, but I am in need of one now since me and my band are moving in to our own rehearsal premesis. During my years playing in various bands it has always been a stack that I could borrow, and I never really cared about getting one for myself. Thought times are a changing! I'm of course planning on going to the nearest music store and try out some amps, but first I would like for you guys to share some of your knowledge in this matter. This is good sample of the distortion I usually play with while messing around with guitar rig. http://www.speedyshare.com/file/pU2T8/Shade-distortion.wma I like the heavy and slightly muddy/dirty sound of it. I've been looking around the web, listening to playthrough's with various amps and reading alot of reviews. Theese are the ones that have caught my attention http://www.thomann.de/se/engl_powerball_ii_e6452_bstock.htm http://www.thomann.de/se/engl_blackmore_si...650_topteil.htm http://www.thomann.de/se/engl_savage_120_e610.htm http://www.thomann.de/se/peavey_6505_plus_...rrentopteil.htm And the peavey 5150 which I could not find at Thomann. Which one of theese would you recommend? If you wish to hear what kind of style I play you can check out my band at, only got a couple of samples up but you should be able to get the idea. http://www.facebook.com/desaihamusic My personal favourite is Orange, so it would be ridiculous if I didn't recommend it! Plus, you can get pretty much any tone you want out of an Orange Amp. It doesn't have much for EQ settings, but I am sure you would be able to get your tone out of it regardless. Those things are versatile! I am hoping to eventually secure an Orange Rocker 30(They stopped making them) and either a 2x12 or a 4x12. The thing about the Rocker 30, is that rather than a clean channel, it has a "natural" channel. Where it utilises the natural tone of your pickups. If you have a terrible guitar, it won't sound good. However, I digress. Almost any Orange amp is good, and the tone is amazing. I can go from playing doom, to black metal, to Jazz, and everywhere in between. It is all around versatile, and sounds gorgeous. For some reason, I just can't get into American Amp companies like Mesa Boogie. I have had the option of playing so many( I grew up in Los Angeles close to the Mesa boogie store), but alas, to each their own. Sorry for the Lengthy post! I just love being a tone whore! -------------------- All the elders have fallen down...
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Dec 10 2011, 08:39 PM |
The only one that I tried of those amps is the Peavey 6505 and I think that it's a very good amp for modern rock and metal. It sounds big and uncompressed.
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Dec 10 2011, 09:03 PM |
Well, not sure, these amps are all very loud, and all have preamp-based distortion. I've tried in the store first 3 amps, and friend of mine has 6505+, I played that one frequently, and heard it in live and studio. If you want heavy metal sound, 6505+ might be the beast you're looking for. It doesn't have that strong mids, but it's great machine. You will need noise gate with these amps, that's for sure.
The other amps are not that great to my preferences tho, ENGLs having a bit too sterile tone for my taste, and lack character (while still having great features good clean and good overdrive), Blackmoore is good I like it, it resembles to Marshall, so it's more of a rocking midrange sounding amp then metal amp, while 6505+ is metal-only mid-scooped sounding amp. Depending what you like in the store, you'll see... It's best to listen to your own ears. Piece of advice: Don't buy just because you should, buy if you are "amazed" with the sound. From all these amps, I can say only for 6505+ that is has character that is recognizable. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Dec 10 2011, 09:07 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Dec 10 2011, 09:32 PM |
I use a combo amp so probably not much help.
The song Cherry sounded pretty awesome...good tones! |
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Dec 11 2011, 01:54 PM |
From the ones you mentioned I'd say Blackmore, almost got one myself when I was browsing for a new head. Still want one.
I think it'd suit your sound. The 5150 you asked about went out of production. You've linked to 6505 which came after. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Dec 11 2011, 03:39 PM |
For modern heavier music with downtuned guitars there is one rule: USE A TUBESCREAMER AS BOOST IN FRONT OF YOUR TUBE AMP! I must +1 this. When I finally got to see a Mesa Dual Rectifier in person I was extremely disappointed in the performance and the store was like no its fine they all sound like that, they sound so clean and tight.. It was super muddy. I guess this is why the place may have gone out of business. Few weeks later the guitar store I always go to got a used Mesa Triple in. I had to drive out to see it more power so I figured more headroom maybe it was tighter in sound as well. Nope, not really. But they know me quite well there and the manager owns the same head. Dials it in a bit sounds way better than the Dual did. He goes you want it tighter throw a Screamer up front. So I bought a TS9 and that drastically changed the sound to exactly what I wanted. If you have a few good places to go or even maybe some friends, take the guitar, and a pedal you use for your tone. Everyones ears are different and this would give you a feel for what you want overall. But I would have to say you want examples of great metal tones from youtube. https://www.youtube.com/user/fearedse he would be the best place to check and he probably has played all of them amps mic'd to a daw and also a play-through. Sorry to jack this thread but Nihilist1, you speak highly of Orange. I have a Marshall 4x12 1960a cab with GT-75s in it. Do you think that an Orange 2x12 closed back would be a big improvement on sound? -------------------- Guitars:
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Dec 11 2011, 08:44 PM |
If I can answer to this from my experience: Depending on the speakers it can be significant improvement. I had 75s, and hated them, they are one of the worst celestion speakers out there. Combine 2 x vintage 30 and 2 x greenbacks in one box, that box will work excellent with any amp out there. Well defined bass and rich smooth mids with controlled top end, that's the great speaker for any head.
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Dec 12 2011, 07:18 AM |
Can an amplifier itself produce a tone that will sound completely original and diffrent from the "other guy" using the same amp? Or is it a good idea to use a distortion pedal or as Zakk mentioned tube screamer/OD? I've seen people using distortion pedals with amps, for example the RAT pedal which seems to be pretty popular, and also the Ibanez TS9. But at the same time you can read that it is "BLASPHEMY!" to use a distortion/OD or any pedal other than a noise reduction or good delay with a high end amp. What are you're thoughts on this? Amp tone, yes/no. Pat O'Brien of Cannibal Corpse uses a Mesa Triple Rectifier head and I can't get that tone for the life of me. I'm thinking maybe he is lower than C standard tuning. He also picks really heavy which gives him his sound. I have heard this more than I can count. Gear is only like 10% of the sound, the other 90% is in the fingers. Best example I can give is Jeff Loomis, he uses Engl amps, I've seen a line 6 video of a 75-Spider III combo amp (not 100% on the model) and it still sounds pretty much the same. As for pedals its preference, I use to be all about using a clean channel and throwing pedals in front of the chain to give distortion and such. Well now I use a TS9 which just tightens up my tone so it doesn't sound as muddy. I also put a Boss ML-2 in front to see what it would do, it has a mid scoop to it and it colored the tone to give that feel behind it. So it was like an added EQ. I only picked up the TS9 because I was cheap and didn't want to spend $200+ on the Maxon OD808 , but one day that may change. If you do an OD I suggest a noise gate of some sort, because when I get some decent volume it give off some pretty nasty feedback. -------------------- Guitars:
Ibanez S770PB (Natural Flat) , Ibanez XPT700 (Chameleon) , Sterling J Richardson Signature , Squire IV Jazz Bass (Sunburst) Gear: Neural DSP Plugins My YouTube Page. |
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