Took quite a long time. Pakistanies acting a bit shocked that he was on their turf.
shocked..they have been hiding him for years imo..
Big celebration in front of the White House right now.http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2011/05/01/bin.laden.vo.washington.crowd.cnn
Why celebrate the death of someone... no matter how evil... no good will come from this...
I guess the phrase is correct: "Search and you shall find"
I agree with Azza here...the future will show what good this will bring, or if it will raise even more bad things. I never believed in an "eye for an eye" policy.
Very big news. Gonna watchin' the video.
It is sad because of where he is right now, but good because justice has been done. It's bitter-sweet.
I feel no remorse for the man. I am not one who believes that only 'god can decide who lives and dies'. Personally if someone commits mass murders I see no ill-judgment if man takes it upon himself to save future victims by ending a murderers life. That being said, a death in this manner solves very little other than closing a chapter that's long been open. It's closure for many people, which is good for the people he has hurt, but from a world point of view, its immediate effects are fragmentary at best and only time will tell if this event bears any true significance in history.
There are others like him, probably worse. If man doesn't find a way to coexist between religions situations like this will never solves anything long term, my opinion at least. All we can hope for is that somehow this is a step in a better direction, maybe not the best, but at least better.
Uncreator - love your balanced post above and agree with what you say.
It's never good to end a human life, but it is sometimes necessary to prevent greater loss of human life.
This is maybe a punctuation in the struggle between ideologies, but it is sadly not the end.
It could bring some very bad things. Reprisal, martyr attacks, etc. Could be the start of a string of very bad things. But perhaps just being a U.S. citizen, it's hard not to celebrate just a little upon hearing this guys finally been taken out.
It could bring some very bad things. Reprisal, martyr attacks, etc. Could be the start of a string of very bad things. But perhaps just being a U.S. citizen, it's hard not to celebrate just a little upon hearing this guys finally been taken out.
It could bring some very bad things. Reprisal, martyr attacks, etc. Could be the start of a string of very bad things. But perhaps just being a U.S. citizen, it's hard not to celebrate just a little upon hearing this guys finally been taken out.
Admittedly, I am not one to mince words an also don't believe in being politically correct for fear of hurting of ones feelings. Therefore, Il admit that I am giddy that this SOB is finally dead. Moreover, I like the fact that the last thing this douchebag saw was the barrel of a Navy Seal's gun…how sweet thy justice.
I would challenge the notion that this will not change anything. I can readily think of three things it does right off the top of my head;
I'm glad to see this chapter has finally been brought to end... or so it seems. Theres always more to the story than whats immediately apparent. The Pakistani ISI is a very effective intelligence agency, so it is likely they knew about Bin Ladens whereabouts. So the question here is why would they be entangled with him? There is a possibility this web of entanglement could extend farther than the ISI.
Pakistan lies in a very difficult part of the world, and they have their own problems. We should keep in mind they're going to look out for their own interests before they give a thought to caring about ours.
The reason why there was a surgical strike by Navy SEALS instead of dropping an enormous bomb over his head is because a) we weren't 100% sure it was him in the compound b ) if it was him, we would need to produce a body, which a JDAM would most certainly vaporize c) this is the most important - he was thirty miles outside of the capital of Pakistan, having B-52's flying over and bombing a suburb of the capital would have completely obliterated that building and our relationship with Pakistan. Bombing the Northwest Province of Pakistan is borderline acceptable because the Pakistani military has no control over that area. Abbottabad (named after a British guy named Abbott believe it or not ) is where Pakistans equivalent of Westpoint/Sandhurst is located. You can see how bombing this place would be a bad idea.
As far as celebrating the death of Bin Laden, I'm not going to condemn it simply because its a great relief knowing that he is gone. But I think because we are the most powerful nation on Earth we should show a bit of humility. Gloating in the death of an anti-colonialist terrorist, no matter how loathsome he was, seems unbecoming of a powerful nation.
To quote Martin Luther King Jr., "I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that."
Edit: I would like to add one more thing thats somewhat related. Many think that Obama releasing his birth certificate was a bad political move, why would he pander to a bunch of fools? But now it has become apparent that he knew that within a week there would be a major event that would dominate the news, and this whole birth certificate ordeal would be forgotten, and any return to it now or any time in the future would seem trivial. This is just a speculation of mine, I could be completely wrong
That is wise. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
So far this whole Osama business, starting from 9/11, hasn't touched me or anyone I know in a concrete way. I hope my life will stay that way. The world's too damn filled with hate without me having to add to it.
if we knew he was there ,how much intel could we have got letting him live?
now we know less who is calling the shots
and have to start over as we try to find there new leader
I won't loose sleep either way but it seems to me we lost a greater opportunity by killing him
well-Obama needed something to boost his numbers
are gas jumped to 3.75 per gallon , what is everybody else paying?
Right now it's $3.69. In some areas I've seen it as high as $3.81.
Its about $3.80 here in North Carolina, I shed tears every time go to the pump. Compared to Europe, our gas is still relatively cheap. Contrary to popular belief the unrest in the Middle East isn't driving up oil prices, Saudi Arabia has increased its output to compensate for the drop in Libya's output. The increase in price is due mainly to excessive speculation.
Senator Bernie Sanders put out a statement citing a report produced by Goldman Sachs, part of that statement said, "According to Goldman Sachs, 20 percent of the price of crude oil is due to excessive speculation. Other experts believe that excessive speculation is driving up crude oil prices by 50 percent. This means that Americans are paying a Wall Street premium of between 70 cents and $1.63 a gallon every time they fill up their gas tanks."
This seems like the most logical explanation to me because I've been hearing reports from people in the Middle East that oil tankers are lined up at the docks, if there was a shortage of oil this wouldn't be the case.
You lucky lucky people! (~1 $ / liter) that makes $7.2 per gallon here...
In New York my family says that its about 4.03 a gallon. It's crazy. In Colorado (Denver) is about 3.79 on average. Over here in Stockholm, once you convert both price and and liter it works out to be about 7.5 - 8.0 per gallon! You gotta love mass transportation.
Same here, around 1.3€/l which would be around 7$/gallon.... crazy
2.24 New Zealand dollars = 1.769152 U.S. dollars
1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litres
Getting crazy expensive...
$6.70 per gallon here in NZ (lucky we don't have to drive so far)
I like GMCs sudden subject changes:
Osama Bin Laden is dead... oh dang look at those petrol costs... lucky my guitar doesn't have a V8!
and in the Suggestions/Food to make you fat thread as well ...
Well, you can't force it. People will always talk about what they're really interested in, in the end...
Oh man, I though only our country was expensive. Here its 1.3 euro per liter so it's similar like in Spain.
Recently I was really thinking about it and maybe converting my car to TNG (natural gas) which is about 0.65 euro per litre.
I also found some cars on the market that are very fuel efficient like - Subaru Rex from 1989 ))
I guess I'll have to convert to bicycle transport in the end )
Gas/Petrol Prices in Europe and most of the world are evidently just INSANE and it's getting that way here. I drive a Caddy and it only takes premium so it's around $100 U.S. to fill up. That's enough to make anyone earning American Dollars choke. I say we abandon the Dollar an Embrace The Euro! Our currency and all our money would be worth more on the spot
But prices should be left in Dollars. Instant discount on everything. Long live the Euro! At least until the Germans decide to bring back the Deutchemark once they get tired of all the bailouts.
http://thecynicaleconomist.com/2010/05/12/rumors-about-germany-reintroducing-the-deutsche-mark/
Now that is a topic switch, from Osama to defunct German currency!
Todd
In Germany it's 1,60 € per litre, now that's what I call expensive!
I wonder who will be the first to turbo a segway.
Talk about a subject change
I think it's sad. Both sides fight for the right they believe in and the best for their own people. I'm not going to celebrate anyones death.
Btw, we pay about 2.5/3 US dollers pr litre, stop complaining
Expensive gasoline is good if it makes people drive less.
$1.63 CDN a liter here.... put $150 in my F150 the other day and it didn't even go right to full!! Between the price of gas and the price of dog food I need a second job LOL!! But I love my truck and I love my dogs so what are ya gonna do
Ride your dogs to work!
The "solution" of a "problem" is far beyond the death of one man.
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