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Sep 30 2007, 07:35 PM |
Hi Eddie and thanks for asking,I understand you more than well.
One of my students in private had same problem as well. That usually comes if you're practicing scales/boxes mainly using muscles and without thinking too much. Good way is to sing every note your play,to feel where are semi and whole tones in each scale. Also,important thing is to figure out scale on each string separately. Per example,play C scale every string starting with open string and up the fretboard. Locate important notes,like root C,third E and 5th G. After a while you'll memorize it with finger moves and sound. It takes lot of practice so be patience... -------------------- Youtube
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Sep 30 2007, 08:04 PM |
Praticing a lot doesn't scare me at all... The thinking does!!! However, thank you a lot for your, as usual, very helpful advices! Eddie You're welcome Eddie!! Glad you don't mind practicing a lot cause that's all that counts. -------------------- Youtube
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Sep 30 2007, 08:20 PM |
+1 for all that Muris said above. A couple of additional things that work for me (though that may just be me) are:
I also play scales as 3 and 4 note per string - and mix these up during a scale. This forces me to stop playing in a box and also I find 4 note per string really helps with stretches. Away from the guitar try and visualise the fretboard and the scale pattern superimposed on it. Perhaps more advanced now (but maybe it's never too soon to start ): Complicated one this (and it really does show how poor I am at knowing my scales well) play one scale ascending and when you get to the top note play a different scale descending where the root of the descending scale is the last note of the ascending pattern. Once you can do this try mixing them together so that you play one note of say Cmajor on 6th string ascending, followed by 1 note of say F major 1st string descending, followed by next of C ascending and next of F descending etc etc. (ie 1st C, 1st F, 2nd C, 2nd F, 3rd C, 3rd F and so on). This involves btw string skipping and awkward movements but, for me, it really makes me concentrate on what the scales are rather than just repeating a pattern: ------13----------12---------10------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------13---------11---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------etc---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------8----------10-------------------------------------------------------------- --8---------10---------12------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Once you get this down (and this is the bit that I come adrift on) sequence them so its 1Ca, 2Fd, 3Ca, 4Fd, 5Ca, 6Fd (where number equals the note in the scale ie 1= 1st/root, 2=2nd, 3=3rd etc; C/F= the respective scale; a=ascending, F=descending). Again this nvolves string skipping and some pretty awkward fingerings/movements. You get a pattern something like this (for C ascending and F descending): 1---2----3---- 4-----5-------6---------7-----8-----9----10----11------12------13-----14----15---16---17 (Odd numbers are C ascending sequenced, even F descending sequenced) -----12---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------12- -----------------13-------------------------------------------------------------------10-----------13------------- -------------------------------10-----------------------------------10------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------9---12-----12----8-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------10---------------------------------------------------10--------------------------------- -8---------12--------------------------------------------------------------------------------12-----------8------ I really have to think about the respective scales to do this and so can't play it fast at all. I've seen David Torn do this without really seeming to think about what he's doing- he really does know the fretboard and the scales and modes so well that he just plays. There is btw a specific term for this (forgotten what it is at the moment though ) Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Sep 30 2007, 08:29 PM |
Brilliant Tony!!
Combining scales/modes in ascending and descending really helps to memorize and understand everything you play. This skipping might be too much for Eddie at the moment but worth try it for sure!! Thanks again Tony! -------------------- Youtube
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Sep 30 2007, 08:42 PM |
Wow, I still think you should be among the instructors! (C'mon, put that smile on your face!) As usual, thank you very much, Tony! Looks a little too advanced, but I will give it a try... Cheers, Eddie I'm advancing (most of the time - good days 2 steps forward and one back, not so good days, 2 back and 1 forward Eddie ) rather an advanced guitar player and I struggle with the double sequenced stuff. But I think Muris is spot on - double scale sequenced runs really force me to think and to try to understand the respective scales. Damned hard though and the string skipping doesn't help - it is really awkward . But I try (or as my wife tells me I'm very trying .) Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Sep 30 2007, 11:29 PM |
Don't worry Eddie -
I can't do it well either. Only person I've ever seen do it was Dave Torn and he is a phenomenal guitar player. (I'd imagine though that Muris can do it though ). As with everything it takes practice and I think the main thing is that you are practicing and also willing to give things a try . Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Oct 1 2007, 02:33 AM |
No worries,it's not boring at all
I'll make more of these basic lessons as soon as possible. -------------------- Youtube
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Oct 1 2007, 08:14 PM |
Good one Eddie,
I also find 3 and 4 nps a good way of not playing in boxes. Sounds like the woodshedding for you is really paying off . Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Oct 1 2007, 10:32 PM |
Glad you like it Eddie,thanks!
There are movements into more than just one box and more then 3nps. Explore it and try to combine with the things you do already. -------------------- Youtube
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Oct 2 2007, 12:38 AM |
Everything we practice helps us to figure out fretboard more and more.
3nps are often shapes cause we don't have to move around a lot,everything stays in one position,box. 3,4 or more nps are NOT scales,that's just the way how WE play specific scale. Scale(diatonic) contains 7 notes and it's up to us how we gonna do it,on one string or on 6 of them. What to recommend? Tell me I'm repeating myself,practice. If you want I'll make a lesson that involves scale on each string separately. -------------------- Youtube
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Oct 2 2007, 02:39 AM |
No worries Eddie,there are many fast stuff lessons already at GMC
so I guess few easier topics will not be the problem. -------------------- Youtube
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