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 Jan 31 2013, 01:13 PM Post #1 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 Going to have some fun today and post a "Challenge Analysis" for everyone to work out. I'll post a new challenge analyses each week for us to work on together. Have fun with it!Here is a chord progression, see if you can work out the following and post your answers:1. Chord Names2. Harmonic Progression3. Key4. Scale Choices for ImprovisingHave fun and good luck! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Jan 31 2013, 04:35 PM Post #2 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 2-July 07 Member No.: 2.224 QUOTE (The Professor @ Jan 31 2013, 12:13 PM) Going to have some fun today and post a "Challenge Analysis" for everyone to work out. I'll post a new challenge analyses each week for us to work on together. Have fun with it!Here is a chord progression, see if you can work out the following and post your answers:1. Chord Names2. Harmonic Progression3. Key4. Scale Choices for ImprovisingHave fun and good luck!Not sure I have this right, but here goes:Chords: CMaj7, Amin7, Fadd6, Dmin7b5, G7, Csus4, CMaj7Progression: I, vi, IV, Not sure on the D - it's ii in the key of CMaj but b5?,V,IKey: CmajorScale Choices: C Maj Pentatonic, A minor PentatonicEdit: Also, more of these! It'd be brilliant to have one of these each day to work on. This post has been edited by AdamB: Jan 31 2013, 04:36 PM
 Jan 31 2013, 05:00 PM Post #3 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 QUOTE (AdamB @ Jan 31 2013, 03:35 PM) Not sure I have this right, but here goes:Chords: CMaj7, Amin7, Fadd6, Dmin7b5, G7, Csus4, CMaj7Progression: I, vi, IV, Not sure on the D - it's ii in the key of CMaj but b5?,V,IKey: CmajorScale Choices: C Maj Pentatonic, A minor PentatonicEdit: Also, more of these! It'd be brilliant to have one of these each day to work on.Really close man, nice work! Check out the chords, you have Cmaj7-Am7-G7-Cmaj7 totally correct, the Fadd6, Dmin7b5 and Csus4 aren't there yet. Keep the root notes in mind when looking at progressions, those low notes can help you out more often then not. Just try to get those chords worked out and you've got it! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Jan 31 2013, 05:22 PM Post #4 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 2-July 07 Member No.: 2.224 QUOTE (The Professor @ Jan 31 2013, 04:00 PM) Really close man, nice work! Check out the chords, you have Cmaj7-Am7-G7-Cmaj7 totally correct, the Fadd6, Dmin7b5 and Csus4 aren't there yet. Keep the root notes in mind when looking at progressions, those low notes can help you out more often then not. Just try to get those chords worked out and you've got it!OK, Chords MkII, with explanations as to why I chose them:So, CMaj7, Am7 are correct.The Fadd6 I had because it's D, F, C, E, which I read as being F A C E (F Maj) with the A removed and replaced with a D, which in F Maj is the 6th. But, that's wrong, so instead I'd read it as Dmin7+9 (D, F, A, C with the A removed and replaced with E which in D is the 2nd or 9th).The Dmin7b5 I chose because the notes were G, F, C, D. I thought this was D F Ab C, I'm not sure why. So this time I've gone with G7sus4, as it's G B D F (G7) with the B replaced with C (suspended 4th), which leads into the G7.G7, The Csus4 I got from C G B F, which I thought was C E G B with the E placed with F to make it another sus4 chord. That's also wrong, so I have no idea what this is. Maybe a V chord of some sort, like Gmin7b5 or something?CMaj7So my next best guess is;CMaj7, Amin7, Dmin7+9, G7sus4, G7, Gmin7b5, CMaj7.I'm also useless at knowing which scales out side of pentatonic to use, so some explanation there would be greatly appreciated!When you say "Keep the root notes in mind when looking at progressions", is the root note always in the bass? How do you tell whether it's an inversion or what not? Is there cases where a chord is ambiguous and could be one of several chords and named differently?
 Jan 31 2013, 05:33 PM Post #5 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 Pretty good man! Just look at the second to last chord, the C G B F, it's the B that is the clue For the root note, it's not always the bass note, but it's a good place to start and then if it doesn't make sense you can look elsewhere from there. For the D F C E, with the D as the root it's Dm9, but if you looked as F as the root it's Fadd6, so the root is the important note. -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Jan 31 2013, 07:20 PM Post #6 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 2-July 07 Member No.: 2.224 QUOTE (The Professor @ Jan 31 2013, 04:33 PM) Pretty good man! Just look at the second to last chord, the C G B F, it's the B that is the clue For the root note, it's not always the bass note, but it's a good place to start and then if it doesn't make sense you can look elsewhere from there. For the D F C E, with the D as the root it's Dm9, but if you looked as F as the root it's Fadd6, so the root is the important note.C G B F, so do you mean B is the root? Then it's B C F G. BMaj is B D# F# A#, so it's bb3, b5,bb7? I have no idea what that is. So I'm assuming it must be the note that's different and the C is the root? in which case it's C F G B. C Maj is C E G B so it'd be Csus4? But that's what I put the first time so that must be wrong. :S
 Jan 31 2013, 07:28 PM Post #7 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 The second one is very close. It is Cmaj7sus4. The B is a major 7 in C so you just need to have it in the chord symbol. That's all. Good work man! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Jan 31 2013, 07:53 PM Post #8 Learning Roadie Group: Members Posts: 2.691 Joined: 26-October 11 From: Galway, Ireland Member No.: 14.225 QUOTE (The Professor @ Jan 31 2013, 12:13 PM) Going to have some fun today and post a "Challenge Analysis" for everyone to work out. I'll post a new challenge analyses each week for us to work on together. Have fun with it!Here is a chord progression, see if you can work out the following and post your answers:1. Chord Names2. Harmonic Progression3. Key4. Scale Choices for ImprovisingHave fun and good luck!1) Cmaj7 Am7 Dm7 G7sus4 G7 Cmaj7sus4 (or is it Cmaj11) Cmaj72) I vi ii V I3) C major4) C ionian, G mixolydian -------------------- My SoundCloudPosterBoy's Bootcamp with ToddGearIbanez Rg770FMTyler Burning Water 2KBurny RLG90 with BK EmeraldsFender US Tele with BK PiledriversEpiphone 335Ax8Axe Fx Ultra - GCP Pro
 Jan 31 2013, 08:47 PM Post #9 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jan 31 2013, 06:53 PM) 1) Cmaj7 Am7 Dm7 G7sus4 G7 Cmaj7sus4 (or is it Cmaj11) Cmaj72) I vi ii V I3) C major4) C ionian, G mixolydianNice one! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Feb 1 2013, 03:05 PM Post #10 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 2-July 07 Member No.: 2.224 Ah I see, so it's CMaj7sus4. Cool.Can we get another one of these?
 Feb 1 2013, 09:09 PM Post #11 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 QUOTE (AdamB @ Feb 1 2013, 02:05 PM) Ah I see, so it's CMaj7sus4. Cool.Can we get another one of these?Yep will be doing these on a regular basis! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Feb 3 2013, 03:03 PM Post #12 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 Here is a brand new Analysis Challenge phrase. In today's phrase, try to identify the following. 1. The scale used in the opening bar2. The key of the entire phrase3. The chord progression4. The name for the chord shapes being used5. 2-3 Scales you could use to solo over these changesGood luck! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Feb 3 2013, 03:16 PM Post #13 Learning Tone Master Group: Members Posts: 855 Joined: 31-December 10 From: Sweden Member No.: 11.929 SPOILER --- my humble answers below --- SPOILER1. E aeolian2. Em3. E5 - D5 - C5 - D54. 5th chords or, as they are more commonly known as at least within the metal sphere, power chords5. I'd probably just stick to E aeolian (or possibly E minor pentatonic with a touch of E blues) This post has been edited by HungryForHeaven: Feb 3 2013, 03:17 PM
 Feb 3 2013, 03:30 PM Post #14 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 QUOTE (HungryForHeaven @ Feb 3 2013, 02:16 PM) SPOILER --- my humble answers below --- SPOILER1. E aeolian2. Em3. E5 - D5 - C5 - D54. 5th chords or, as they are more commonly known as at least within the metal sphere, power chords5. I'd probably just stick to E aeolian (or possibly E minor pentatonic with a touch of E blues)Nice one mate! If you had to give numbers or Roman Numerals to the chords what would they be? -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Feb 3 2013, 03:41 PM Post #15 Learning Tone Master Group: Members Posts: 855 Joined: 31-December 10 From: Sweden Member No.: 11.929 QUOTE (The Professor @ Feb 3 2013, 03:30 PM) Nice one mate! If you had to give numbers or Roman Numerals to the chords what would they be?Hmm, not sure how 5th chords are normally written. I guess if they were triads, then maybe i-VII-VI-VII, since the D and C chords would probably be major chords. Or do I need to point out that we're talking about a flat 7th etc? How about I5-VIIb5-VIb5-VIIb5?Thank you though.
 Feb 3 2013, 03:47 PM Post #16 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 QUOTE (HungryForHeaven @ Feb 3 2013, 02:41 PM) Hmm, not sure how 5th chords are normally written. I guess if they were triads, then maybe i-VII-VI-VII, since the D and C chords would probably be major chords. Or do I need to point out that we're talking about a flat 7th etc? How about I5-VIIb5-VIb5-VIIb5?Thank you though. Yeah, when we are putting numbers on chords we don't have to change anything between power chords or triads, so in the key of G major, C5 and C are both IV. So no worries there. And your analysis looks right, we just put the b before the number so it would look like this. I5 - bVII5 - bVI5 - bVII5That's it, nice work! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Feb 3 2013, 03:56 PM Post #17 Learning Tone Master Group: Members Posts: 855 Joined: 31-December 10 From: Sweden Member No.: 11.929 Great, thanks Prof!
 Feb 3 2013, 03:57 PM Post #18 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 No problem! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site
 Feb 4 2013, 11:30 AM Post #19 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 2-July 07 Member No.: 2.224 QUOTE (The Professor @ Feb 3 2013, 02:03 PM) Here is a brand new Analysis Challenge phrase. In today's phrase, try to identify the following. 1. The scale used in the opening bar2. The key of the entire phrase3. The chord progression4. The name for the chord shapes being used5. 2-3 Scales you could use to solo over these changesGood luck!Here's my attempt;Scale; C LydianKey; EmChord Progression Em, D, C, DChord Shapes; E5, D5, C5, D5 (power chords)Scales for soloing; Em pentatonic, G Major Pentatonic, D diminished?
 Feb 4 2013, 11:31 AM Post #20 Theory Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 888 Joined: 8-January 13 From: Manchester UK Member No.: 17.394 QUOTE (AdamB @ Feb 4 2013, 10:30 AM) Here's my attempt;Scale; C LydianKey; EmChord Progression Em, D, C, DChord Shapes; E5, D5, C5, D5 (power chords)Scales for soloing; Em pentatonic, G Major Pentatonic, D diminished?Nice one, I was thinking E Aeolian for the lick, but it has the same notes as C Lydian so all good. The rest looks great. D Diminished might be a bit outside, but you could try it out and see how it fits. Would just need to make sure to resolve it back at the right time and in the right place so it didn't get too far out on you. Nice work! -------------------- Ask me anything on the theory board. Follow my theory course. Check out my personal site

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