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mattacuk View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 12:53 AM
Mar 3 2009, 12:53 AM	Lets go fishing! Posts: 5.526 Joined: 21-December 06 From: illinois	I am finding this stretch quite tricky. Im used to handleing whole steps and beyond with pinky, ring and index (no middle finger). But I know the original author of this peice of music uses pinky , middle and index. My question to more advanced players, how would you handle this stretch? If I use pinky middle index my index finger slips off the D# onto the E note everytime! Hope that makes sense You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *mysql> SELECT FROM master_name WHERE ((firstname = 'Paul') AND (lastname = 'Gilbert')); "The Fundimental Difference between Paul Gilbert and Buckethead is that Paul Explores the Good side of the force, while Buckethead Explores the Dark Side of the Force" :)**

Andrew6 View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 12:56 AM
Mar 3 2009, 12:56 AM	Learning Rock Star Posts: 604 Joined: 17-June 08 From: NB. Canada	wow thats tough for me! I should put that in my practice routine! I use P/M/I like you as well. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- The Gear Box: Jackon RR5 Randy Rhoads Epiphone Special II Ibanez GRG170DX Rogue Electric Acoustic (CHEAP lol) Behringer GX210 AMP Crate GT30 AMP Korg Ax5G Effects Unit Zoom G2 Effects Unit

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 12:58 AM
Mar 3 2009, 12:58 AM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	For those dim7 shapes I guess PMI is the most reasonable solution. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

Saoirse O'Shea View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 11:18 AM
Mar 3 2009, 11:18 AM	Moderator - low level high stakes Posts: 6.173 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Espania - Cadiz province	Like Muris I naturally err towards pinky, middle, index but I also tried pinky, ring, index and for a laugh pinky, ring, middle (ouch). What I did notice Matt is for the PMI I moved my thumb quite a long way over towards the top E string from where it normally sits near the middle of the neck. For the other two I actually wasn't using my thumb on the neck at all but had brought it all the way round to the same side and it was no longer touching. I just found that this movement allowed me a little more stretch. I don't really use my thumb though to put pressure on the neck for notes, it's usually only there for position. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo.

Artemus View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 11:58 AM
Mar 3 2009, 11:58 AM	Learning Tone Seeker - CHALLENGE STAR! Posts: 866 Joined: 6-February 09 From: Manchester, UK	PMI for me. For stretches like these and beyond such as the diminished shapes I tend to slant my hand a little to a position that looks similar to thumb round the neck/bend/vibrato position rather than the classical, fingers-parallel-to-the-frets position but I still have my thumb on the back of the neck. Also, if this stretch is a little tricky try it further up the neck until it's comfortable and then gradually go down by one fret a day or something.. Just remembered something else that helps me with stretches: 1) those petrucci warm up stretches from his Rock Discipline DVD, especially the whole note between each finger one 2) take each finger in turn and do hammer-on, pull-offs in increments. So start at say 9th fret, index finger and hammer-on/pull-off with the middle finger to 10th then 11th then 12th then 13th then etc..., then do the same between middle and ring and then again with ring and pinky. Gradually the distance you can stretch increases. 3) Play the end of Paul Gilbert's Scarified You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Artemus: Mar 3 2009, 12:04 PM -------------------- My Myspace site here My YouTube channel here

wrk View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 12:46 PM
Mar 3 2009, 12:46 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 1.027 Joined: 19-June 06 From: Paris/France (..used to be german)	Hm, i have long fingers and both, PMI or PRI is ok. Somehow PRI is more comfortable as i have to turn my left hand lesser and keep it parallel to the neck. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- www.musiclearningtools.net www.youtube.com/AndyVeil

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 02:20 PM
Mar 3 2009, 02:20 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	I would use index ring pinky there, just the way I got used to playing. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

David Wallimann View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 02:21 PM
Mar 3 2009, 02:21 PM	Instructor Posts: 4.565 Joined: 29-March 07 From: Fort Collins, CO	QUOTE (mattacuk @ Mar 2 2009, 06:53 PM) I am finding this stretch quite tricky. Im used to handleing whole steps and beyond with pinky, ring and index (no middle finger). But I know the original author of this peice of music uses pinky , middle and index. My question to more advanced players, how would you handle this stretch? If I use pinky middle index my index finger slips off the D# onto the E note everytime! Hope that makes sense I would also use pinky, ring and index. Your thumb should be resting right in the middle of the back of your neck for this kind of exercise. That will give you more stability... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- www.youtube.com/Wallimann www.davidwallimann.com

Ramiro Delforte View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 06:03 PM
Mar 3 2009, 06:03 PM	Instructor Posts: 2.279 Joined: 4-August 08 From: Argentina, Buenos Aires	I think both are good possibilities. To me the fingering depends on what's next, maybe if I have to use rightaway the ring finger I'll use PMI but if I have to use middle finger I'll use the other combination. I've transcribed some exercises that I used to practice to improve the really really wide stretches. The left hand fingering on the first exercise is finger 2 (middle), finger 3 (ring) and finger 4 (pinky) The fingering for the second exercise is finger 1 (index), finger 2 or 3 (middle or ring) and finger 4 (pinky). I used to do this one 1 2 4 and I left out the equation the ring finger. I hope this helps You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Attached File(s) Stretching_exercises.gp5 ( 2.43K ) Number of downloads: 66 -------------------- Check out my Instructor Profile and Board LIVE VIDEO CHATS EVERY MONDAY AROUND 22PM (GMC HOUR)

botoxfox View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 10:30 PM
Mar 3 2009, 10:30 PM	GMC:er Posts: 2.570 Joined: 20-February 07	Technical Difficulties, right? (No pun intended) I use PRI, just because it feels more comfy to me, and because I also get into the same trouble as you if I go PMI. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Try this fun little "game"!

mattacuk View Member Profile	Mar 4 2009, 10:04 AM
Mar 4 2009, 10:04 AM	Lets go fishing! Posts: 5.526 Joined: 21-December 06 From: illinois	Guys, Thanks for each of your inputs its very valuable input so thankyou The thing is, I have built im my enitre technique using the P R I as I have always found it far more comfortable and its always made more sense to me personally. When handleing long stretches on the lower frets I would use same P R I whole step shapes so it feels kinda odd to swap over! QUOTE (botoxfox @ Mar 3 2009, 09:30 PM) Technical Difficulties, right? (No pun intended) I use PRI, just because it feels more comfy to me, and because I also get into the same trouble as you if I go PMI. How did you guess? QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Mar 3 2009, 01:21 PM) I would also use pinky, ring and index. Your thumb should be resting right in the middle of the back of your neck for this kind of exercise. That will give you more stability... Thanks david, Im glad to know Im not the only person using this combination What I find with this particlar Dim shape is If I were to use P M I my hand has to move in order to fit the stretch. QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Mar 3 2009, 05:03 PM) I think both are good possibilities. To me the fingering depends on what's next, maybe if I have to use rightaway the ring finger I'll use PMI but if I have to use middle finger I'll use the other combination. I've transcribed some exercises that I used to practice to improve the really really wide stretches. The left hand fingering on the first exercise is finger 2 (middle), finger 3 (ring) and finger 4 (pinky) The fingering for the second exercise is finger 1 (index), finger 2 or 3 (middle or ring) and finger 4 (pinky). I used to do this one 1 2 4 and I left out the equation the ring finger. I hope this helps Ramiro that is very kind of you to provide these exercises thanks a million You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *mysql> SELECT FROM master_name WHERE ((firstname = 'Paul') AND (lastname = 'Gilbert')); "The Fundimental Difference between Paul Gilbert and Buckethead is that Paul Explores the Good side of the force, while Buckethead Explores the Dark Side of the Force" :)**

Ramiro Delforte View Member Profile	Mar 4 2009, 10:11 AM
Mar 4 2009, 10:11 AM	Instructor Posts: 2.279 Joined: 4-August 08 From: Argentina, Buenos Aires	Sure mate, anything that helps I'm glad to provide I hope those ex. would help in your quest to wide wide stretches You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor Profile and Board LIVE VIDEO CHATS EVERY MONDAY AROUND 22PM (GMC HOUR)

djohnneay View Member Profile	Mar 4 2009, 03:25 PM
Mar 4 2009, 03:25 PM	GMC:er Posts: 385 Joined: 8-February 09	Although I don't consider myself an advanced player, here's my €0,02 : PMI seems to do it, but PRI doesn't seem too bad. Try what's most comfortable for yourself. Have you considerd tapping ? Because to me it seems like a typical tapping arpeggio. Anyway, I think you should it the way it sounds and feels best to you. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! --------------------

Storm Linnebjerg View Member Profile	Mar 4 2009, 03:41 PM
Mar 4 2009, 03:41 PM	Learning Rock Star Posts: 7.676 Joined: 14-June 08 From: Odense, Denmark	Pinky, middle and index for me too. I think it's just a matter of practice and maybe the angle of your fretting hand. I haven't read through the post, but I believe someone will have pointed that out before me You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my TikTok! - or check out my GMC video comments on YouTube

mattacuk View Member Profile	Mar 4 2009, 04:53 PM
Mar 4 2009, 04:53 PM	Lets go fishing! Posts: 5.526 Joined: 21-December 06 From: illinois	QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 4 2009, 02:41 PM) Pinky, middle and index for me too. I think it's just a matter of practice and maybe the angle of your fretting hand. I haven't read through the post, but I believe someone will have pointed that out before me Yes I am thinking its more to do with the angle of the hand more than anything now. I practiced this morning with my hand at an angle and it seemed alot easier! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *mysql> SELECT FROM master_name WHERE ((firstname = 'Paul') AND (lastname = 'Gilbert')); "The Fundimental Difference between Paul Gilbert and Buckethead is that Paul Explores the Good side of the force, while Buckethead Explores the Dark Side of the Force" :)**

Storm Linnebjerg View Member Profile	Mar 4 2009, 05:01 PM
Mar 4 2009, 05:01 PM	Learning Rock Star Posts: 7.676 Joined: 14-June 08 From: Odense, Denmark	That's great to hear, Mattacuk! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my TikTok! - or check out my GMC video comments on YouTube

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