Using Amp/effect Modelling To Find Real Alternatives?, Going on the quest of quests.. finding _the_ sound |
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Using Amp/effect Modelling To Find Real Alternatives?, Going on the quest of quests.. finding _the_ sound |
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Nov 21 2008, 11:35 PM |
A real tube amp is always better for warmth and "real" tube sound
But I think the modeling effects have done wonders the past few years. Recording or even running a POD X3 through a PA is a teriffic solution if you don't want to carry a heavy amp around. OD pedals does, besides pushing real tubes in a real tube amp, also simulate the sound of a tube amp being pushed. In a POD or similar I don't think an OD pedal would do any good what so ever, I havn't tried myself since I always thought there would be no use. Point is. In a POD the OD will still be useful since it simulates the sound of a puched tube amp. Same thing when people put it before a solid state amp, it's not the real thing but it still works since it simulates the sound of a pushed tube amp. Effect pedals makers could hardly sell OD pedals that only pushed the signal from the guitar, what would that do to a SS amp? Raise the volume? 90% of all users woule be angry and disappointed since most people buy an OD to get distortion on a SS amp, which IMO is not right but it works, obviously. Maybe we should have Tube OD pedals and OD simulation pedals huh? Running the POD X3, I have one too, hasn't been very successful on my account. Still sound a bit plastic when I try to use it as a pure effects board. Must confess I had greater joy in running it into the loop as a preamp or even as a modeling amp to make my Peavey Classic sound as a ENGL Powerball. So as far as I'm concerned POD X3 -> PA is OK POD X3 -> tube amp (whether it's the loop or infron) is NOT ok I havn't tried it with a tube amp but not knowing if you have a solid state or tube I choose to reply anyway It might work better with a SS amp since it's digital->digital So to answer your question. If you have a tube amp I'd suggest you get a good OD pedal. I've got a Digitech Bad Monkey, I think it's the best bang for the buck. There are better OD pedals for sure but this one is just great for me. If you've got a solid state amp I suggest you try. Like I said, OD pedals will infact simulate the sound of an overdriven tube amp so for that matter it would work. But it may work as well through the POD. I just don't know. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 22 2008, 12:04 AM |
Great answer Micke
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Nov 22 2008, 01:28 AM |
The overdrive pedal will give you a better quality distortion than any modeling device, specially when playing loud on a guitar amp. PODs are made for home practice, not live playing. Going to PA as MickeM suggested is a best solution for POD, but still it is not as the real amp. Also there are some other proc devices like Roland V88 or V99 that do that job a whole lot better. They are the real proc deal compared to POD. I also agree 100% with MickeM when he says that it is much much easier to carry around proc than a big bunsh of heavy gear.
The bottom line is that if you wanna buy an OD pedal you will not make a mistake, but be careful what you buy. Try several pedals in the store on the similar gear configuration that you own, and you will find the one that suits you. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Nov 22 2008, 01:29 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Nov 22 2008, 02:21 AM |
I actually have kind of similar experience. I never owned real good amps (had a couple of practice ones) but I owned POD XT live and now POD X3 live. I do use the POD as amp replacement in small gigs. It is quit ok for what you pay and specially for the weight you have to carry. One downside is that you have to readjust all your patches for each venue you play. So actually you should not have like 50 patches, but maybe up to 8 you are going to use live. If I remember correctly, Smells mentioned in another thread that he gave up using the POD for live performances because of that.
Before having a POD I had never owned real effect pedals. So though it was a bit overwhelming in the beginning it was also good to have a general idea of what kind of effects are there and what a good effect chain would be. I even have in mind the first pedal I will buy: a good wah-wah. That will free the pedal on POD to be only volume. I have to say first time I played through a fender dual reverb or first time I tried a Marshall JVM , I had that "wow" feeling . Meaning that the POD is not the sound you can get from a real good all tube amp. All in all I am satisfied with the POD. It is serving well now that I am playing really small gigs and I have to carry my equipment walking or in the bus. In the future when, hopefully, I will be playing big gigs it would still serve as home recording equipment and as a backup (I heard of a guy who had feedback problem in a big gig, and then took his POD to the PA and finally could play it ) This post has been edited by Gus: Nov 22 2008, 02:24 AM -------------------- my "Thank you GMC!" video
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Nov 22 2008, 03:05 AM |
edit: never mind, read existing reviews on questions asked.
This post has been edited by fkalich: Nov 22 2008, 04:06 AM |
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Nov 22 2008, 03:01 PM |
What do you need a reverb pedal for mate? If it is for live shows perhaps it is better to consider a dealy pedal. Reverb can muffle the sound and change the harmonics, but delay can add space and still retain clarity. If you do need a reverb, how much money you wanna spend?
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Nov 24 2008, 03:22 PM |
On the subject of reverb pedals - I've got a fantastic Ibanez delay/reverb pedal that works beautifully.
Maybe that would be something to consider? http://www.ibanez.co.jp/world/country/frame_uk.html I quite like these Ibanez pedals because of the push-in knobs that prevent you from accidentally changing settings when you're carrying them around, or using them on stage. -------------------- Want a website for you or your band? http://www.websiteformyband.com
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