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Corona Virus Spreading Out Of China
Arpeggio
Apr 21 2020, 09:09 PM
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Feds classifying all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify...ovid-19-deaths/

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Apr 22 2020, 03:13 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 19 2020, 02:24 AM) *
QUESTION: Anybody out there got there stimulus check yet? Anybody out there seen their job go away because of the "lockdown"?


I have lost all work probably until the fall at the earliest.
I did get a 'stimulus' check though. Direct deposit due to my IRS filing history.

At the earliest, CA will slowly re-start the middle of May ... maybe.
So far, we've done pretty good. This might be behind a paywall. It's from the "Atlantic" magazine (east coast monthly) ... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...2NzU4NjYxNTE3S0

Schools will not be reopening until fall, and no summer school. No large gatherings: concerts, festivals, etc. until 2021. If we have a late outbreak or a second wave - all bets are off.

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Todd Simpson
Apr 22 2020, 05:02 AM
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Kris asked us NOT to embed any more videos in this thread once we started seeing fox news embeds. Links are fine.


QUOTE (Arpeggio @ Apr 21 2020, 09:04 AM) *
Please watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue...ature=emb_title

PS: How do I embed video so it's on screen rather than just a link?



Sadly this is FAKE NEWS. Originally posted by FOX (of course) then reposted by the NEW YORK POST if you go to factcheck.org you can get the real data.
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FactCheck.org says there’s no evidence that any state has adopted a policy to classify all deaths, regardless of the individual circumstances, as being related to COVID-19.

Sally Aiken, the president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, called the allegation “ridiculous.”

“Death certificates are basically federal, and each state has a public health division that answers to the [U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] for death certification,” Aiken, the Spokane County, Washington, medical examiner, told us in an email. “For all practical purposes death certification is directed by the feds, via health departments.”

“Medical Examiners and Coroners certify hundreds to thousands of deaths each year, using investigation, autopsies, and medical tests as required, and do not choose a ‘default diagnosis’ such as COVID-19.”

Aiken added that CDC offers guidance to public health officials on the certification of COVID-19 deaths. The latest guidance was issued April 2.

“If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the [underlying cause of death], as it can lead to various life-threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory disrtress syndrome (ARDS),” the guidance says. “In these cases, COVID-19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.” (Read more here from FactCheck.org)

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I think I saw you say you live in Sweden? You seem to get a LOT of your news from FOX for some reason? Also, quoting the NEW YORK POST is about like quoting the NATIONAL ENQUIRER. There is a lot of false and misleading info about covid19, lets not make it worse. Real info comes from CDC, WHO and FEMA. It's reported by BBC, CBS and NBC. We can't use CNN as a source any more as too many people feel it's become political. As such, FOX certainly can't be used as a source, and niether can MSNBC as both are simply to partisan to be trusted.

QUOTE (Arpeggio @ Apr 21 2020, 04:09 PM) *
Feds classifying all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify...ovid-19-deaths/

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Todd Simpson
Apr 22 2020, 07:08 AM
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California seems to be flattening the curve pretty well. Sorry to hear all of your work has dried up. YOU are not alone. Not that this is of any real help of course. Sadly, millions of people are out of work and have no eligibility for unemployment and no chance for gainful employment until this is all over. Millions of folks fall in to this category. It's going to be one of the big challenges of the economy going forward.

I'm sure that there are several uplifting clips from faux news that you could watch to tell you that your plight is really just in your head and that in fact, things are just peachy, the response and the economy is set to just explode! smile.gif Massive recovery from the perfect policy decisions and responses.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 21 2020, 10:13 PM) *
I have lost all work probably until the fall at the earliest.
I did get a 'stimulus' check though. Direct deposit due to my IRS filing history.

At the earliest, CA will slowly re-start the middle of May ... maybe.
So far, we've done pretty good. This might be behind a paywall. It's from the "Atlantic" magazine (east coast monthly) ... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...2NzU4NjYxNTE3S0

Schools will not be reopening until fall, and no summer school. No large gatherings: concerts, festivals, etc. until 2021. If we have a late outbreak or a second wave - all bets are off.

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Arpeggio
Apr 22 2020, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 22 2020, 05:02 AM) *
Sadly this is FAKE NEWS. Originally posted by FOX (of course) then reposted by the NEW YORK POST if you go to factcheck.org you can get the real data.
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FactCheck.org says there’s no evidence that any state has adopted a policy to classify all deaths, regardless of the individual circumstances, as being related to COVID-19.


In other words you are saying "my sources are better than yours" and using a bit of Caps lock and not providing any links. I wouldn't make such a simple argument but I will engage you on yours with some insight into your source.

Factcheck.org main sponsor is the Annenberg Public Policy Center (APPC) and if you look into that, Factcheck.org cannot be argued as being completely neutral, as opposed to being, as it looks to be, non-partisan by its own financial interests.

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 22 2020, 05:02 AM) *
“Death certificates are basically federal, and each state has a public health division that answers to the [U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] for death certification,” Aiken, the Spokane County, Washington, medical examiner, told us in an email. “For all practical purposes death certification is directed by the feds, via health departments.”


The guidelines are for all states. The video on the New York Post was Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House.

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 22 2020, 05:02 AM) *
“If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the [underlying cause of death], as it can lead to various life-threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory disrtress syndrome (ARDS),” the guidance says. “In these cases, COVID-19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.” (Read more here from FactCheck.org)


I don't use factcheck.org as my source. I use medical qualified doctors, like in many of the sources I've already referenced.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/healt...ted-to-covid-19

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 22 2020, 05:02 AM) *
I think I saw you say you live in Sweden? You seem to get a LOT of your news from FOX for some reason? Also, quoting the NEW YORK POST is about like quoting the NATIONAL ENQUIRER. There is a lot of false and misleading info about covid19, lets not make it worse. Real info comes from CDC, WHO and FEMA. It's reported by BBC, CBS and NBC. We can't use CNN as a source any more as too many people feel it's become political. As such, FOX certainly can't be used as a source, and niether can MSNBC as both are simply to partisan to be trusted.


This is basically the same as "my sources are better than yours" with some Caps lock again. You have an opinion on the New York Post etc. and are saying certain sources are partisan as though non-of your sources would be, while not providing any deeper insight (in the way I did for factcheck.org) beyond that they simply hold a position different to yours.

WHO leader Tedros was formerly part of the TPLF, which qualifies as a Tier III terrorist organization.

https://frankreport.com/2020/04/14/the-ethi...tedros-adhanom/

Tedros made Mugabe a goodwill ambassador for the WHO and only reversed this decision due to complaints.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/...or-after-outcry

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 22 2020, 07:08 AM) *
California seems to be flattening the curve pretty well. Sorry to hear all of your work has dried up. YOU are not alone. Not that this is of any real help of course. Sadly, millions of people are out of work and have no eligibility for unemployment and no chance for gainful employment until this is all over. Millions of folks fall in to this category. It's going to be one of the big challenges of the economy going forward.

I'm sure that there are several uplifting clips from faux news that you could watch to tell you that your plight is really just in your head and that in fact, things are just peachy, the response and the economy is set to just explode! smile.gif Massive recovery from the perfect policy decisions and responses.


The longer it goes on for the more difficult it will be for the economy to recover. People will not have money to spend. It is negatively self-perpetuating and exponential.

As I've already said here, 7 million in the US died during the previous great depression. That is not where you want to be heading. If you want to stay indoors and deplete yourself of vitamin D and get bone weakness fine, let others get back to work and risk their lives (in your perception) for you.

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Apr 22 2020, 02:52 PM
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I love how everybody is an expert on economics, epidemiology and virology.
Oh how I long for the days when we were just experts on constitutional law.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 22 2020, 02:52 PM) *
I love how everybody is an expert on economics, epidemiology and virology.
Oh how I long for the days when we were just experts on constitutional law.

would you be willing to take a long walk off a short pier wink.gif

on a side note , hot mic in california talks about possible 200,000 to 400,000 cases not being reported ..I wonder why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6rXFFuthaY

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Probably true. We know it and we have known it for almost 6 weeks. That's why we locked down early, which has mitigated our death and hospitalization rate compared to other dense population centers.

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I notice I unconsciously avoid this discussion when I go through the new topics list - this is usually a sign the topic is going of rails.

I mostly see bad vibes and false stories here - and I don't think that benefits the community. So I will close this one for now.

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