Hey Timmy this is your very own guitar mentoring thread, so, I thought we could start by telling me some thing about your musical background and knowledge (guitar and music oriented) plus a few of your favorite musicians/ bands.
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin,
Ok, Ive been playing guitar for nearly 10 years now. unfrotunatly not as seriously and dedicated as i should have . ( a couple years i actually stopped playing) But ive been very serious about it again for the last year or so. which is great! I also played clarinet and saxaphone in the school band when i was younger ( unfortunatly not anymore) I also use FL studio for creating electronic styleed music)
I used to play with people/bands in the past but ive been traveling a lot ( currently living in Holland) the last couple years, so not as much anymore. Played a lot as a bass player too. Guitar was mainly as a rythym player, so my lead/improv skills are lacking. Also like to play fingerpicked nylonstring. bach pieces ect...
I loved 90s punk when i was a kid, discovered metallica/megadeth/pantera and metal and it all went from there.
But i love so much different styles i cant list it all. but pretty much all classic rock and metal. I also Love Iron Maiden, FNM Also band s like LIVE, RHCP, AIC, Soundgarden, Ratm. ( stuff from my youth) ect... Random stuff like john Butler trio, cat stevens, jack johnson. also the blues like SRV the three Kings ect.. Pretty much anything with kick ass guitar work!
I also have a love of classical music, particulary barouqe era lute stuff, and also spanish/flamenco style. And as a byproduct of my old profession, I have a wierd obsession with Trance music. So yeah, a wierd mix. its turning into a never ending mission to hear everything.
Ok Knowledge, I understand the concepts of -- Major Scales, Circle of 5ths, open/closed triads + stacking 3rds, Triad inversions, Arpegios, Good knoweldge of chords and their construction. I can read sheet music ok. have on ok knowledge of modes and their relation to chords ( part of my current learning sceduel) Have a reasonably trained ear. (can Transcribe music when needed)
Im currently working on my picking Techniques as their out of date. Alt picking and sweeps, legato ect. Phrasing/leadwork and improv are also getting worked on.
But the main thing im wanting to work on next/ acheive, is being able to play what i hearing in my mind more easily and have more feel and spontaniousness ( Is that even a word!?) in my playing, to also improve my writing and composing skills, and to just be a great all round player.
Wow, ive ranted on more than was necasarry i think. my appologies. Hope that answers all your questions and i didnt forget anything. Thanks for time, and hope to hear from you soon.
Tim Blaha
Hey man!
I don't think you're ranting at all it's good to know all you told me and I would like to suggest that we start with ear training and phrasing as tis is mainly what you need to do to be bale to express yourself, IF you can use the other things you told me about, regarding theory and technique
Can you show me something audio/ video of you playing?
Cosmin
Alright man! How does this feel: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/funk-rhythm-lesson/ it's got rhythm and a bit of lead here and there if it's too difficult, please let me know!
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
Im having a bit of trouble getting a recording done for you. Never really done this before so im having some issues
Im using a program called "Debut video capture" But it seems capturing sound and video at once is to much for the computer to handle all at once, As having issues with Latency and syncing and just cant get a desent take done. Doesnt seem to be the right way to go
Im using a HP laptop (couple years old), and a Line 6 ux1 usb interface, by the way
Do you have any advice on how to tackle this problem. Any software recomendations, techniques, ect...?
Its staring to get a bit frustrating!!
Cheers
Tim
Hey bro! I got somethin for ya! There's this nifty little video here which will show you to the good stuff! Check it out:
Ok, After an epic batle with technology, i've finnaly come out the winner!
So here's a take, the videos not synced that well, but will improve in the future.
The lesson wasn't too difficult, although gettining the "feel' was chalenging. will definetly need more work over time.
But you took me out of my "comfort zone" with this one, well done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxCCuykhBj8
Tim
Hi Cosmin
Glad you like it, but like you said the groove is lacking! You can definetly share it if you like. Im also gonna do some rec's of other lessons ive done, should i post it here, or onto the usual forums?
We can try some more difficult lessons for sure, though some limitations will exist. The AP, legato and articulation will slowly fix that though,so good idea with those. Also I have just stared on "bens land of legato" so guess that a good first step!
Anyways, what lessons do you have in mind for me to work on. Im keen to get started!
Tim
Hey Cosmin
Sounds great! I'll get started on them right away!
I'll post some stuff for you soon!
Cheers
Tim
Awesomeness mate I'm here if you need a hand along the way
cheers
Cosmin
Ok, Ive got one for ya!
http://youtu.be/wLMFQCYeBA8
Its the picking hand basics, ive done it before a few times and its easy one the surface, but after recording it a few flaws pop up in my playing. Nothing major i think, just needs more practicing i guess to tighten it up. I will pop it into my warm up folder.
Thought you could check it out though.
Also, Its quite interesting how different your sound is once its been recorded as opposed to what your ears actually percive.
Im staring to notice little flaws all over my playing So definetly need to do more of this stuff
Also sorry about the guitar tone, it went a bit fuzzy when put into movie maker for some reason?
So enjoy, and ill get back to work
Cheers
Tim
Hey Tim! Looks good and sounds good - nice timing and it's tight. I especially like the fact that you are holding your pick parallel to the strings as to achieve a full bodied tone
Let's see what's next!
Cosmin
Allright! Here we go!
Ive got a take on "Saraceno funk lesson" Unfortunatly its not quite spot on. I did this as a rough take before i hurt my pinkie.
Its got a couple little mistakes in there though.
http://youtu.be/ObqY5ZFUfPA
I took a few days off and started some light playing again today, tried to do a new take too, but just couldnt get one spot on.
Then i had the feeling in my pinkie again, so it seems its not quite finished healing itself yet
So wondering what to do now. Im thinking of working on some less difficult things that dont involve the pinkie
Im going to finish memorizing my major scales to i can be more proficient with them when it comes to modes.
Also work on some theory behind chord progression and composition. bit of a weak spot there i think.
Do you have any sugestions?
Anyway, hope you like it mate.
Tim
Ahoy Tim! Great man - good timing and tightness! You could punch a bit of gain in that tone to make it a bit more present and aggressive, as well as being wider and certain on the vibrato and bends. Otherwise, it's very good!
We could start discussing a bit on the major scale, intervals, harmonizing, chord progressions and harmony/ melody relationships, how does that sound?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
Sounds great! I have general knoweldge in these areas , but it all hasnt "clicked together". to make a full picture.
Deefinetly keen to look into it more.
Also ill come back to saraceno lesson once this finger sorts itself out. Get it polished up! Its a really cool lesson!
Also, thanks for posting my video a little while ago in the forums. Somehow i only just found it today!
Tim
You're welcome man
Let's dive into things - so, can you tell me what you know about the major scale and intervals? I got a few exercises which will help memorize the notes of each major scale and work on your ear training and interval knowledge, but first let's see what you already know
Cosmin
It sounds like we can already start discussing about modes it sounds like you know enough stuff to dive into the world of modes - would you like that?
I am running a v-chat series on modes and we can talk about these a lot - progressions and the relationship between harmony and melody.
What are your 5 fav songs? Let's analyze their progressions and see what we can find
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin, Sounds good!
Definetly will try to catch the chat
As for fav songs, thats too hard a question!
I'll give you some songs i like from my "flavour of the month" stuff.
Iron Maiden - Wasted years
Dream theatre - Another Day
Faith no more - Everythings ruined
The Living End - West End Riot
Def Leppard - Hysteria
Hmm, Pretty wierd mix huh!
Tim
Alright Tim!
I like the first three myself so this will be interesting. Let's start with the DT song:
Verse:
Am F/A Am G7sus4 G
F C Bb G7sus4 G
Am F/A Am G7sus4 G
F C Bb Am
Chorus:
Dm7 C/E F C
Dm7 C/E F G7sus4 G
Tell me, what conclusions would you draw regarding the following things:
- on what scales are the chord progressions based?
- can you sort out the verse and chorus vocal lines and see what notes are being used? This will lead us to a discussion around the relationship between the harmonic context and the melodies
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
This a little tricky, but its good you're forcing me to do this!
Fiirstly im a little confused, as im not able to match the chords you gave me to the actual song? Maybe ive got a different version? Or maybe im just bad with hearing piano Chords not sure
Ok,based on the chords you gave me, I think the verse prog is based on the C major scale. vi-IV-V-V IV-I-?-V-V. vi-IV-V-V IV-I-?-vi. But the Bb doesnt fit? but the G7 fits in the c major scale.
It also fits in the F major scale too. iii-I-ii-?-I-IV-ii-? But now G major doesnt fit. But i assume the g7sus doesnt matter too much because of its missing 3rd?
but i was also thinking of minor keys/scale. but not exactly sure on them. your gonna have to help me with this.
also, which is the tonal base on slash chords?
The Chorus works out of the C major again. ii-I-IV-I.( I think)
From my own findings i found these bass notes in the verse G#,F#,E ,B,A, F# - G#,F#,E, B, A, G#
In the chorus im hearing C#,D#,E, B - C#,D#,E,F# iii- ii - I - vi-IV-ii iii- ii - I -vi-IV -iii Based on E major?
ii - iii - IV -vi ii - iii - IV-ii
Also the Bridge i heard B,A, G#,F#,E - also E maj - G, C, D,E,D,C, B, riff, F# modulation to Gmaj?
vi-IV- iii - ii - IV I - IV-V vi-V-IV-iii - vii
The verse vocal lines include the notes B-C#-D#-E-F#-G#. Fits into the B major scale. But also E major
The chorus vocals are the same notes
The sax solo are the same notes plus an A# making it a B major scale
This seems to tell me the vocal are in B major
Ok, that will do, you really got me thinking/confused me on this one!
Maybe ive over thought about it?
Tim
No way man it's SUPER AWESOME that you took things so deep I'll come up with a detailed feedback tomorrow morning with the axe in hand, right now I want my pillow, badly
Alright Tim, so it took me a little longer than I thought, but these drills will serve well!
So for the verse, we are having the A minor and the F major scales - Bb belongs to the F major indeed and the G7 and G7 sus4 belong to Am scale. They combined it in such a way that it made sense
Try to play the chords on an acoustic guitar ans strum them, it'll make sense once you sing over them this is how I usually work in order to understand what's happening there. The slash chords belong to A minor (derived from C major of course)
I would first ask you to try simple positions for the chords in order to make them sounds with the vocal lines I am playing almost everything in the first 6 positions.
BUT.... one more thing - the original recording is in Ab minor, so if you're not tuned down here's where all the confusion came from I forgot to mention this.
Tune to Eb standard and everything will make sense - just checked the vocal lines as well and all the notes from the lines belong to Ab minor (B major as you said)
I think you nailed it right man no confusion!
I haven't thought about the bridge yet should we tackle that one?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin,
No probs with the delay. Thanks for a taking the time to help me!
The drop tuning makes sence now! Dont know how i missed that?
i'll play around with the chords and struming to get a grasp of it better.
Guess we could have a look at the bridge section next, or we could move on to something else. Im pretty easy
Your call
Tim
Hey mate let's finish this one first I got a thing for finishing what I am beginning
So here are the chords for the bridge:
C Bb Am
G7sus4 G F
G# C#/G# D# F
Fm D# C#
C7sus4 C7 Fm G
You chose a beautiful piece of music man, but with a lot of tricky harmonies what can you discover here?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin,
Ive been on the road again, so i havnt been able to do my homework
Its a great song but damn tricky indeed!
Ok, here goes
1st bit
C Bb Am Seems to be based on same as earlier in the song( Aminor+ Fmajor) Although differnt order. also still not to sure about
G7sus4 G F how major and minor keys work. Did it switch to C major? with D minor ? need more work/explanation in this area.
The vocals seem to be based around the Cmajor though. starts on G (V) and keeps returning to C ? maybe
2nd bit
G# C#/G# D# F Seems to modulate to G# major here (or Ab major depending how you work) i find the B# and double# anoying
Fm D# C# notes in vocals D#,G#,F ,C#,C, D# Starts on 5th again. also Fm and F maj?
This bit Not sure how the C7 fits or the G? the vocals are on the same melody is as before, except on last "whoa" where
C7sus4 C7 Fm G the extra D is used. Is this another case of two keys like before? Fmajor? In its relative minor Dminor would explain
the extra D, also the C7.
So whats the answer?
Ok, ive racked my brain over this one way too long and i still dont quite "get it" all. Think we'll have to revist it again down the line
Maybe we do an easier one next
Tim
Heya Cosmin
I was just reading back over the last post and realized that it wasnt posted the way i typed it, and for some reason it turned into a jumbled mess! My bad! So here's a here's a repost to make your life a little easier
1st bit
C Bb Am
G7sus4 G F
Seems to be based on same as earlier in the song( Aminor+ Fmajor) Although differnt order. also still not to sure about
how major and minor keys work. Did it switch to C major? with D minor ? need more work/explanation in this area.
The vocals seem to be based around the Cmajor though. starts on G (V) and keeps returning to C ? maybe
2nd bit
G# C#/G# D# F
Seems to modulate to G# major here (or Ab major depending how you work) i find the B# and double# anoying
Fm D# C# notes in vocals D#,G#,F ,C#,C, D# Starts on 5th again. also Fm and F maj?
End bit
C7sus4 C7 Fm G
Not sure how the C7 fits or the G? the vocals are on the same melody is as before, except on last "whoa" where
the extra D is used. Is this another case of two keys like before? Fmajor? In its relative minor Dminor would explain
the extra D, also the C7.
Allright done! A little better
Tim
hey Tim! thanks for the re-arrangement man!
This looks very good - I just checked everything and it seems legit man!
In the first part as you said the combo between C major and F major then modulating to that AWFUL G# major scale and toward the end they are in the key of F major (I took this because of the C7) and Fm is some sort of a pivoting note as it also appears in the context above, where the G# major scale is happening.
Man this was tricky indeed what do you think, should we cool off with something easier? You choose the next out of the 5 you told me about
How are you doing otherwise?
Cosmin
Hey man
Good to know i was on the right (ish) path. It was really Tricky, started to mess with my head a little!
Definetly wanna try something simpler to get the concepts more concrete.
Heres one I prepared earlier
Everythings Ruined - FNM
Intro
piano is tricky to name chords. Notes are D, G, C#, B , E. the notes fit the D Major Scale like next bit. Bass notes G and E. extra notes 1 - 2 semitones, nice dissonance and tension! hmm
Next bit
G,B,A Chords. Harmonix are E, D, C#, B, G, A notes the C# + G combo only fit D Major.
Verse
Bass runs on the F# here. piano plays F#,A,E,D,C#,B. Vocals are G#,A,C#, but also G.
So this drops it in both D maj and A maj. Or is the in F# min (from Amaj) and The G is anacidental?
Pre Chorus Chords F#,E, A, B,C Vocals are( i Think) E, F#, G, A, But the end bit (Bouncing little baby) Uses a C#. Biut hard to tell.
But I think the C# is another accidental and This bit fits in Gmaj/Emin? Which One? or is the C# accidental?
Chorus
Chords D, A. Piano does full run of D maj scale. Vocals use them too. So D Maj modulation Here I think
Bridge Bit
F#, G, A Chords. F#, A, B, E, C. Thinking it fits with the pre chorus. or intro key ?????
Ok, turns out this isnt as simple as i thought it was. still leaves some questions unanswered.
Im wondering if maybe you can pick the next track of your own choosing. something straight forward enough to really get confident with this stuff. but my choices are cool too, in case youve preped them already
As for me, Keeping myself busy with my digital music studies. Really frustrated not being able to play much guitar though,its a real struggle. But At least the weather has warmed up! Also im looking into some exercises to work on my right hand teqnuiques. any sugestions?
Hope your keeping well too. Also , if you get sick of doin these drills or dont have the time. feel free to change it to a different direction anytime!
Cheers mate!
Hey mate I actually love these drills as they get my mind working as well
I will inspect your work with the axe in my hand this evening when I get home and I shall also send recommendations in the right hand workout directions
Cosmin
Mate, I need a bit more time on this one, as I am not sure yet I think it's trickier than the DT song or at least this is how it looks like to me. Will let you know after I dabble in it a bit more but in the mean time, so that we may not stall - here's a thing for both your right hand picking technique - Alternate picking that is and some nice theoretical ideas.
I came up with this one after having to concoct something for the symphonic orchestra collaboration and it felt like it can be a great lesson for GMC as well - try it and let me know how it feels
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Antonio-Vivaldi-Winter-Arpeggios/
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin,
All good, Whenever you figure it all out. And dont worry, there's no stalling. Im off Working in my digital music world, so im pretty busy with all that!
I love the lesson! Really like Vivaldi, but its too "busy" for my left hand. espesialy the pinkie. But i will analize the structure and chords though, looks interesting!
Good Luck With the track, catch you soon
Tim
Hey Tim I don't necessarily want you to play it at that speed too soon try to get it into your system and use it as a good warmup at lower speeds - it'll build up AP and left/ right hand coordination
I'll be back about the Faith No More track
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin, Hows it going?
I was was just wondering how you were going with that FNM track? All good if you have'nt had the time to get to it, your a damn busy man!
But im getting a little restless and was hoping to work on somemore theory stuff again. The Vivaldi piece is great, but i just cant play guitar in that way at all. Even at low speeds my pinkie just isnt comfortable doing it.
So what do you think? Can we do some more drills when your time allows it?
Tim
Hey Tim! Sure, I'll get back to ya today with the FNM and we can choose the next to start with it's the end of the month and things cram up in this period usually gimme a few hrs and I'll post new ideas and assignments
Cosmin
Tim...this one was a bit of a brain damage indeed
D major for the intro and the next bit - ye're right
Ok, For the verse part - the F# belongs to D major and the G also so it's not accidental. The G goes over an E minor chord which should be there, for that weird verse ending
Now over the prechorus - I notice a combo of notes in the riff which dictate the F# blues pentatonic scale - the riff is built using the blue note as well - C in this case.
D major for the chorus
The bridge fits with the pre-chorus indeed and it has the flavor of a Phrygian progression - F# Phrygian which has the parent scale - D major
Sorry it took so long mate now, let's pick an easier song and something for your fingers, alright?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin,
Thanks for that mate, Didnt mean to rush you or anything.
This answers those missing bits for me! Good to see i'm generally on the right track!
What song next then? Should i work one out of our original list, or have you got something in mind?
As for the fingers, hopefully should have some answers about whats wrong with them them this week. Got a specialist vist that should give me an answer. So maybe we skip using it till i have an answer on it?
Tim
Hey Tim! Well, you take care of that issue man, wouldn't wanna hear anything bad happened to ya..
In the mean time, let's see, how about an easier one - Hysteria maybe? It's on your list, so let me know if it works for ya
If you think you need any, I have developed some exercises in little movies, which can be found in the GMC database. They deal with injury recuperation, warm-up routines and such Check them out here: http://www.youtube.com/user/gmcguitar?ob=0
They are Called Guitar Biomechanics and Extreme Warmup
Cosmin
Hey Man,
Will def check out those vids, And yes, lets do hysteria. Apologies for the 80's ballad, I was having my 80's month at the time and this track just wouldnt get out of my head!
Ok here we go
Intro/Verse motif
Ok, based on the chords (maybe you can corect these names too ) D add4 (no 5th) (D,F#,G) then Same chord with a G root(So is that Dadd4/G (no 5th) or Gmaj7 (no 3rd?) Than a Em add9 (E,B,F#,G) and back to the first chord
Vocals - D, B, E, A, F#, G So at the look of it a D Major fits But G major too
Pre chorus
Ok, based on the D, Dsus4, Cadd9, also A G6/B? (B,E,G,D) (chord in middle, couldnt quite catch it) and then finishes on C,G,D.
Vocals, D,G,E,D,B,A So I think G Major Fits here
Chorus
Straight forward Em, C, D chords Vocals F#,G,E,D,B,A, So G Major again
Solo
A,D,C# Chords Solo- E,F#,B,D,A,C# So this fits A Major and D Major too.
So to finish up, Pretty confident that most is in G Major. The Solo maybe the A major, as a 2 semitone key change is used sometimes.
So the Intro verse im not sure. Probably G major though.
Well, Whats the verdict then mate! look forward to it!
Cheers
Tim
Hey Tim!
The intro progression could be looked at as being a D Mixolidian progression so, G major is the parent scale
Everything is right - you can also look at the chorus progression as being an Aeolian progression (it starts on Em) I like spotting little modal progressions within progressions
I would go for D major on the solo, just for the easy transition between the D major and D mixolidian (simply playing C# instead of C)
This one is easier for certain!
How are your hands man?
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin,
Welcome Back! How was Poland? Im planing a trip across poland in the summer! Pretty Excited!
Thanks for the feedback. good to see im generaly on the right track with this stuff. Im not really good at and/or really understand entirely modal progressions. I'll have to work on them some more.
Same old story with the hand. No doctor can give me a definite diagnosis of whats wrong. I've got another appointment with a specialist in a couple weeks when im back in Germany. Hopefully he can figure it out. The theory now is that, its nothing really wrong with the hand, but more that there are problems further up my arm or in my back. Im progressivly getting more and more back pain latley, and we're thinking it could be a pinched or caught nerve causing all my troubles. A C8 nerve is the guess? Hope we can confirm something and start working on fixing it.
Will let you know when i know more, Start on some guitar again hopefully! That'll be sweet!
Anyways, Whats next on the agenda? Do the last song on the list, or move to something else?
Tim
Hey Tim! Man, Poland was short and fast if I may say so. The thing is, I went there with business and I didn't get to enjoy the scenery too much. But hey, I managed to create a 'next time' opportunity, which will allow me to walk around and see what's what over there.
In the mean time, it's getting busy over here as the festivals are coming and I got gigging with both bands Mate, I wish you all the best with the hand issue and hope it's nothing too serious.
I noticed you are in 85-90% there with the theoretical stuff, which is very good! As for the modal progressions - don't worry! The more you get through them, the easier it will be to spot them and act accordingly I say, let's finish what we started and then move on to other things - what's next on our list?
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin!
Its always good to create "excuses" to do return vists to cool places! I do it all the time Ive heard nothing but good things about Poland!
As for the hand, I have no worry over it at all. This is one of those things that will work out, Just needs time, patience and a bit of common sense to not make it worse. With the right advice and time it will be good again. If anything its been a blessing, as its forced me to pursue another musical direction i've always wanted to, but alway postponed!
Enough about me, how about some work
Ok, these guys are the "hometown heroes" of my youth. they always played the summer festivals and really put on a great show.
West End Riot
Intro
the lead melody is in the G major scale CHords Em and B in the intro, then switchs to E,B,C,G power chords.
Theres a bit of an Eminor lick at the end of each melody line and the track starts on a Eminor so im thinkin this bits in the E minor Key
Verse
Starts on the Em Chord, Bass runs the E,B,C,G notes. Vocals follow the B,A,G,F,A. Not really a definite conclusion here, but im leaning towards the E minor Key again as before. The Track seems to lean that way.
PreChorus
A# and B chords in this short bit, vocals do the same thing. Sounds like a B7 chord ringing out right before the next bit.
Not really sure how this fits. If anything, it make a nice transition and adds tension/build to the chorus.
Chorus. Part 1
E,B,C,G power chords Then a D and Eb (Octaves or D and D with a flat 2nd added) Vocals follow esentially the same melody as the intro. I think the E minor key fits again. Except the Eb which is an accidental i guess.
Chorus Part 2
Bm, Em, C, G Chords Vocals are again within the E minor scale. Section ends with Am, Bm, C, D and Em chords also a nice E minor Pentatonic Lick. Again im thinking E minor key
Bridge
First bit is G and C chords Vocal, Roughly G, A B
2nd bit is A and D chords Vocals A, B, D
Not sure with these, is the Whole thing switched to G major as the relative major, or is it G major, then A major?
The bit rounds of into the solo with E,B,C,D Chords and i think a B7 again Back to E Minor here?
Solo
Bass Runs, G,F,Eb,D and then C,Eb,D,G, finishs on D and Eb, then does the E,B,C,G main bit again.
Guitar seems to be playing in G Minor. except for that stray F# near the start.
Im thinking a switch to the G minor key here
Breakdown
This bit is just a variation on the main verse theme in E Minor.
also G, A, Em chord trown in at the end.
Ok done! Damn that was heaps!
Seems pretty straight forward except for a couple of odd bits. E minor seems to be the Key.
I guess with a lot of rock arrangments, the "proper" formulas aren't always followed or even Known about. Giving us strange combinations!
Ok, 5 songs done! Where to next? The ball's in your court
Tim
Hey Cosmin!
Im back from the East! Was a hell of trip, but im back and all sobered up again ready to get to work!!!
So, where do we go from here?
Howdy man! Welcome
Well, I will look over the song and see what's what and then, I was curious to see how your articulation skills are faring? Are you a fan of bending/ vibrato and would you like to explore that region and all? Are you feeling better with that issue we talked about?
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin
The hand seems to be improving and im also seeing my doctor this week to hopefully confirm and sort it all out. I think the time is right to start playing again at a light pace.
As for articulation, we did start on this right before my problem started. i was working on bens vibrato odyssey and also bens land of legato. So i might start up on them again. As for bending,im a big fan! I think i have pretty good bending skills. But as it sometimes happens, this dosent always end up being the case when its put under the microscope So should definetly do a bit of work on it!
Do you have anything else to suggest?
Tim
Hey Tim!
Let's see about the song:
Intro and verse are correct
About the pre-chorus, the fact that we have an A# and B can be due to the fact that the A# ebelongs to the E blues scale which can be used in this context - it must be harmonized from there.
In the chorus, that Eb must be coming from the harmonic minor mode - good implementation as it doesn't sound anything like that mode!
I also think that the bridge is a combo between the G major and A major - D can be used as a fourth in relation to G major so the transition is smooth.
Doesn't it seem MEGA FUNNY that we are breaking down a punk song?
The solo seems G minor to me as well, and that F# could be again that harmonic minor flavor like in the previous case
Anyway, for a punk band, they seem to know some great deal of music I enjoyed this!
So, moving a bit forward, bending and vibrato it is I would like to suggest one of my lessons this time not to brag or something but i think I have encompassed a lot of tricky bends in here:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/The-Voice-Of-Your-Guitar/
What say you?
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin,
Thanks for the feedback. I never really realized we were breaking down a punk song! seems a bit weird now! But i always liked them cause they wernt just bashin away at random chords!
Ok, So im working on the vibrato and bend lessons already. Also ive already worked on your lesson before(and yes, it is good ), so ill polish it up a little and send it back your way
Also, with the lack of guitar playing the last couple months my finger tips aren't so tough anymore So it may take a little longer to get this stuff sounding good. But we'll see.
Ok, Catch you soon
Tim
Alright Tim! Take care of the hands and in the mean time, let's see the take
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin!
Got one for ya! It took a million takes to get a decent one happening. The fingertips were pretty sore by the end of it!
Turns out im not as good at bending as i thought (kinda saw that coming!) I constantly had a flat or sharp bend here and there ruining the take.And getting the "feel" of it was a bit tricky too. seems to be a weak spot. Will probably revisit this one down the line. Oh and sorry about the tone, having trouble getting a good sound out if my gear.
Ok here it is, Enjoy
http://youtu.be/QlLe1jT3pvk
Cheers
Tim
Howdy Tim! This is very very good! I would have only one thing to add There are some mini bends in the first part which you omitted Please listen to the original take closer and try to implement them too - as an example, check out min 00:04
Let's rock!
Cosmin
Oh man How did they go missing! By the last takes i was doing, i must have just forgoten about them somehow?
Well here it is again, went a lot smooter this time. those million or so take i did the other day really sunk it deep into me!
http://youtu.be/VkkoOcfDoB0
Also here's one more, did bens vibrato odyssey 1. This is a cool vibrato! one thats quite overlooked i think. will try to use it more and make it more natural.
http://youtu.be/I9IAhib82Ms
Ok, back to work for me
Tim
Hey Tim! That's it! They're there now
Keep practicing it though it's always a great tool for your bends and articulation in general! You could also add some delay in the mix
As for the vibrato, you nailed it man I think we should go through the whole series, aye? It's good fun and exercise
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
Cheers for the voicing charts from the video chat. Good Stuff!
Im workin on Bens vibrato and legato lessons and a couple of others i got, but they're all pretty slow going and just need time on a daily basis to get em better. So im looking for another random lessons to shake things up again like you've given in the past.
Got any Recomendations?
Cheers man, Catch you Thursday
Tim
Ahoy Tim!
Those are good stuff, so take your time to nail them perfect
For fun....hmmmmmm, how about this one: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/funk_lesson-saraceno_style/ it has all the good stuff
What do you think?
Cosmin
Oh Man, Already done that one Still workin on the groove though!
Also , while i've got your attention. Ive been working on the 7th chord voicings. Im quite familier to most of them, but ive never really used the ones with a 7b Bass. So they sound a little strange to my ears. Are they voicing that need to be used with care( ie,in certain situations?) or is it just me being unfamilier with em and need to get used to the sounds? Whats your thoughts?
Cheers Cosmin
Tim
Hey Tim! It's just something new I never thought about using them in a certain situation - the idea is that you have to exercise them and try to get your ears acquainted with the sound - I know that in the case of the M7 they are a bit peculiar
We shall talk about it tonight at the v-chat
Cosmin
PS: Shall we look for another fun lesson, then?
Tim Since you are working on articulation skills, I will throw a rather tricky ball in your court
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/gary_moore_inspired_bending/
This here is a combo between, bends, vibrato and dynamics There are a lot of subtleties which need to be taken care of, so shall we get to it?
Cosmin
Sure thing! Im on it!
Can't wait to see the way you will handle all the dynamics
Hi Cosmin
Well, its that time of year again for me. Summer is calling, so im signing off from my studies and heading off on my random travel/backpacking across europe. So guitar has to go on hold for a couple weeks unfortunatly.But dont worry, ill be back into it the second i get back Probably 3 to 4 weeks from now though.
So catch you in a few weeks i guess. I'll probably drop into the forums every now and then just to keep in the loop
Cya
Tim
Alrighty Tim! You take good care of yourself and don't let the hands get lazy, ok?
Maybe you can hop in for the video chat sessions
Anyway, I am here so, let me know when you get back or if you need anything in this period!
Cosmin
Hello Cosmin!
Well, im back from my travels! Saw some cool places! Met some great people! Ate pleanty of awesome food! But now its back to work!
I'll get back into my usual routines again and start doing some recs again!
How are you going? Anything exciting that i missed around here? I never had a chance to get on GMC the whole trip!
Its good to be back though!
Tim
I'm curious about your travels. I hope you travel to Spain is nice. Like fine wine. Hey, welcome back.
Howdy Tim! Welcome back mate Glad to hear the trip was great! Hope you ate everything and then some more
Well, everything is great around here, so get back to work and let's see what you'll be dealing with first, aye?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
Quick question, I just remembered in the last video chat i did with you a few weeks ago, you mentioned a few vocal techniques/methods breifly. And if i remember correctly a thread was going to be stared. So just curious if that ended up happening as I was quite interested in the topic
Thanks
Tim
Hiya Cosmin
Ive got a video for you! Unfortunatly its not one that you gave me. Need a little more time with them.
This one was on my practice list for a long time, so i thought it was time to unleash it! Enjoy!
http://youtu.be/EXvVrq1xsEo
Tim
Hi Cosmin
Im having trouble with my "homework" The issue is changing the melodys notes. I think im understand the concept of changing the scale to another mode, its just the melody seems trickier to change. espesially with certain scales where lots of notes change. So im not sure sometimes which note to pick(up or down). Hmm this is harder to explain than i thought.
Any tips? It would be much appreciated
Tim
Heya Cosmin,
Im looking for something new to do. I need more time with bens, Legato and vibrato lessons to really get the technuique right. and the Gary moore lesson is great, but my fingers have gone soft on me from my recent downtime. Those bends start to hurt a bit
I really enjoy lastnights video chat and it made me realise that i havnt really done much rhythm guitar stuff here at GMC. So im thinking of going in that direction for a little bit just to mix things up a bit. I was looking at maybe your metal metrics lessons, or do you have any others to recomend?
What do you think?
Cheers
Tim
Howdy Tim!
Thank you! I had a lot of fun at the v-chat myself and of course, I would be honored if you would like to start working on those
I suggest we start with the Breaking Benjamin style lesson: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Breaking-Benjamin-Style/
It's got the simplest elements and then continue with Metal Metrics 4, what say you?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
Sounds good mate! I'll get right on it!
Got a rec of your riffs done. The rec program is starting to bug me because its constantly bringing up problems with my playing! Annoying, But in the long run its a great thing!
Im not really used to playing in these low tunings so, im not quite used to the string tensions. Stuff sounds a little sloppy sometimes, so 170 was as high as could it and still sound resonably good. Ill work on it more and push it higher!
http://youtu.be/Q5-OyBlQoUI
Cheers
Hey Tim! Great tightness man! I like it, but towards the late part of the groove you messed things up a bit! I will record the whole thing and post it on YT for you in a few hours, ok? And one more thing - when the breakdown starts, use your right hand to mute and stop the strings rather than playing staccato - it will allow the chords to ring a bit while palm muted, offering that heaviness!
Good work mate!
Cosmin
Thanks man, Yeah that end bit was a bit sketchy. I couldnt quite remember it from the other night. I'll check out your vid and see if we can get things sounding better!
Tim
Hey Cosmin,
I've got the Breaking Benjamin Lesson for you. It was really fun, I really enjoyed it!
I had to do the video/recording in a couple takes though. I dont have a good way to switch clean to dirty atm
http://youtu.be/Loh5jOi8_Ok
Ill get to work on the metal metrics
Also, the v-chat yesterday was great! That track turned out great! It was interesting to to see different players approachs to the process!
Tim
Hey Tim! Nice one mate! I like the way you approached it with the pick instead of fingers I usually play that theme with the fingers, in the beginning.
Now, here are some links to some goody good stuff for ya
https://rapidshare.com/files/3328228322/MVI_0704.MOV
https://rapidshare.com/files/1891776005/MVI_0706.MOV
The ball is in yer court
Cosmin
Thanks for the videos man! I was way off last time!
Anyway, I reviewed the vids and made some adjustments. Sorry about the video quality, my webcam's having a bad day or something?
I used a Pick on that intro bit before without really thinking.It felt comfy. I didnt even realise you fingerpicked it!
Anyway, here we go again
http://youtu.be/7Zx-ZsRfSfg
Tim
WOW!
Congrats man! This is great! Listen, Tim, I want to make an example out of you and start a little thread showing this video to the rest of the community, do you agree? I think your take on this riff is top notch man!
Wow! Thanks for the kind words man!
And sure thing with a new thread, go for it
Tim
Right away!
Here you go mate Congrats once again!
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=45963
Hey Cosmin!
Me again, Ive been a busy boy latley! Got one more video for you. Its one bad ass riff! How do you think this one went? those harmonics were tricky to get. I'm gonna work on getting a better tone for future vids, its not quite right yet.
Anyway where to next? Some more metal metrics or did you have othere plans?
http://youtu.be/dpd-GvzE6uw
Tim
Hey Tim - go for the whole bunch I am incredibly curious to see how you fare with it!
For this one - the vibrato should be wider and more aggressive (use more fingers when you vibrate - one will not do the trick)!
BTW - congrats - the microbends and bends are technically correct and in groove - very, very well done!
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin
Ok, guess we'll start the new week breaking down some songs again. How about some random music from your side this time to get me out of my comfort zone Or whatever you see fit
Tim
Howdy Tim! So It's my turn to propose a list, eh?
Ok then! Here we go:
Let's start with these three Take your time and we'll talk as you go through each one, deal?
Cosmin
Allright man, I'll get to work on the finish folk song first
I love that one! Now tell me man, is this sufficiently out of your comfort zone?
Cosmin!
Hey man, Sorry for the lack of work, its been a crazy couple of weeks and just had no time to get anything done. But its all calm again now, so time to work. Oh, and yes this stuff is WELL out of my comfort zone!
Ok, Finnish folk song
Heres the breakdown of the song. The melody lines are roughly maped out.
Part 1
C#, C#, D#, E, E, B, C#
E ,E ,D#, E, D#, E, F#, E, D#, E, D#, B, C#, C#
Used Notes: C#,D#, F,F#,G#. So Either E Major or B Major at this point
Part 2 from 1:24
C#, G#, G#, F#, G#, F#, E, E,
E,E, F#, G#, F#, G#, G#, F#, E , F#, E, B, C#, C#
With a few variations on this on, Was a bit tricky!
Has an added G# on the note before. A couple variations added an A# (I think) Making this now fit with the B Major
Part 3 from 2:16
C#, D#, E, F#, F# F#, E, D#, E, E
C#, D#, E, F#, F# F#, E, D#,C#, C#
again, a few variations but woring with the same notes as before.
Part 4 from 2:56
G#, F#, E, F#, F#, E, F#, G#, F#, E, F#, F#
G#, F#, E, F#, F#, E, D#, C#, C#
Again variations,but still working within the same notes
OK, overall i found the melodies relativley simple, but they had a lot of small variations and subltleties to make it tricky.
Well Im thinking This song is in B Major. The notes point to bot E and B Major, but the A note was the deciding factor and I think it was an A# in the 2nd Section
Also, would it be correct to say it was in C# Dorian as the parts mostly stated and returned to C#? And would the last section be diiferent also as it started on the G#? Im not too sure on this stuff.
Ok Done! Sorry for the delay. Ill be more dilligent on my homeworks Ill work on Human nature next.
Tim
Mate, I have listened to it and tried the A# but I can't hear it. I will try more to see if I am being wrong but if we only have the A, we are clearly dealing with the C# minor tonality Will let you know of what I discover. The rest is fine and dandy Let's go for Michael Jackson then
How are you feeling man?
Cosmin
Hey man! Didn't forget about ya! Just wanna get past the Aria video shooting sessions and on Friday I'll write my observations on this song
Cheers and thanks!
Cosmin
All good mate, your a busy man! Good luck with the video shoot! Sounds like fun!
Thanks Tim! It is, it is! Check this out
Awesome!!
hey Tim!
Just went through the thing myself and i think you are right I'm not that sure about the stuff at the end either, but I'll try and check it out with 'cleaner' ears. This whole record releasing/ video and stuff is taking its toll on me.
The chorus harmony is Em A Dmaj Em I think (singing along with the chords and it seems to fit fine)
How's the next one coming along?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin,
All good mate, your work should definetly come first. PLus these song breakdowns are quite time consuming too, after the next one of got a new topic in mind. Ill get the next song done on monday as im away for the weekend.
Also, I dont have my usual computer this week so the video chat just didnt workout yesterday. This computer is from the stone age, i swear!
But def next week!
Cheers mate, catch you soon
Tim
Hey Tim! We had a lot of fun with Pantera's 'I'm broken'! Well, next time, then
I'll be around
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin
Got the lucky last one done!
Superstition - Stevie Wonder
Verse
Built on a bass of Eb with a Gb on the end
Guitar has a repeated riff using Ab, Bb, Db, Eb, Gb
Vocals work around Ab, Bb, Db, Eb, Gb
Brass A repeated motif of Ab, Bb, Db, Eb, Gb and also an A
The A fits to the Eb blues scale
The Db and Gb major scales both fit
but i think it fits best With the Eb minor scale
Chorus
Bass does Bb, Cb, Bb, A, Ab
Guitar does something similar
Vocals Work around F, Gb, Ab, Bb, Db, Eb
The added Cb and F in this part reinforce the Gbmajor/Ebminor
Tonality. The added A fits with the Eb Blues scale
There is also a brass part after the chorus.
It plays Eb, Db, C, Bb, Eb
It plays over the verse section and im just not sure
how the C fits. An acidental maybe??
The Rest of the piece basicly repeat the main parts. And jeff throws in a few sweet solos!
So im thinking Eb minor for this track
Yeppers! Eb minor it is mate! Regarding the C, I think it's just a passing tone somehow, as I can't find another way to link it to something else.
Tell me Tim, are you ready for some action? Or are your hands still troubling you?
Cosmin
Hey Cosmin,
So Ive looked it up and down (and around) and made a few observations.
1- The inside notes (minors) are the same notes + order as the outside. just rotated 90 degres. plus b's turned to sharps.
2- The minor notes are also the 3rd of the previos (c/clockwise) major note. I like to start on C (or other notes) and work through the major triads all the way around! only you need to make the F# a Gb to make it just right
3- think you talked about this in the chat, in scales with flats the 4th always becomes the new flat. also the 7th degree becomes the next scales new (4th) flat note. In sharps, the 7th becomes the new sharp, and th 4th becomes the new next scales new (7th) sharp. they mirror each other!
Guess we could try some guitar again. what di you have in mind!
Also the DAW idea isnt bad either, what could we do? Im curious what DAW you use?
Cheers
Tim
NICEEEE!! Great man! If you don't mind, I will also use your discoveries next Thursday and let everyone know you took things seriously and discovered them!
About some guitaring, well, what do you feel like working on - lead or rhythm?
Cosmin
No problem mate, go for it!
As for guitar, im thinking rhythm. Think it will be less taxing on the pinkie. what have you got for me!
Tim
Thanks Tim! Alrightie! Mate, I think I got an idea
Why not focusing on being able to play using only three fingers, so that you won't neglect your practicing because of the pinkie?
Until further developing this idea, how about this lesson for a goodie good start? -> http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Kotzen-Meets-Wylde/ No pinkie involved !!
Cosmin
Nice one! I'll start picking away at it!
Always here to help mate! Let's see how this first mission goes!
Hiya Cosmin
Thought id give you a status update
The lesson is coming along nicely. Got all the teqnuique down and now im just building up the tempo. Cant get it sounding clean enough yet.
Also thought id mention that im working on some other lessons on the side. Dont worry they're simple ones! They are the right hand basics lessons from Danillo Capezzuto. Theyre just simple alt picking excercies that only need 2 fingers and my alt picking isnt the best, so it fits just right for now! Otherwise slow and steady for me.
It was intersting to see everyone strugling with the circle of 5ths in the vid chat tonight. reminds me of when I totally strugled with the circles and scales. (wasnt that long ago!) Its nice to realise the progress one has made. I think that learning it well is just a matter time and persistance. One day it just clicks!
Allright, ive rambled on enough, Hope your well mate. and hope to have a rec up for you soon!
Tim
Hey Tim! Glad to hear your are pushing it a bit Don't force your hand though!
Anyway, I am also happy to see that it clicked - I know your were holding back in the chat, when I asked questions I have a 16 year old student here in Bucharest - he is preparing in maths in highschool and he is darn good at it. I observed that an organized mind, especially one that has studied science related subjects can make the best out of music theory almost instantaneously - the same with this kid. I explained the circle and stuff we've been talking about in the last 3 sessions and he grasped it on the spot
Well, each mind functions differently, but it's interesting to see what's going on with people - the next session will be nasty as well
Cosmin
I think you are a grooving rock machine! NICE MAN! REALLY NICE!
Groove, articulation and tone! I like it - how about a REC? This one has a slight timing glitch, but it's not actually about timing, you got out of the great groove a tiny bit in the beginning, that's all
Great playing man!
Cosmin
Thanks Man!
Yeah, the timming was a bit tricky in the beggining bit. The tempo was just out of my comfortable playing zone.
A REC sounds good! We can use this one, or i can take another stab at in a few days. see if its settled in better. what do you think?
Tim
Hey Tim! Guess u could try another, but only if you want to This one goes very well!
Hey Cosmin
Go with this version, after listening to it again it isnt too bad.
So, whats next on the agenda then?
Tim
Howdy Tim!
This one is totally groovy and it can be done without the pinky
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/ZZ-Top-Fingerpicked-1/
What do you say mate?
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin,
Lessons comming along nicley. But ive got another question for you today.
Its about Modal chord progressions, you touched on it a little during your circle of 5ths lessons. Im just not grasping the concept of them, esspesially transposing them to other keys/modes.Guess ive never learned about them properly. Wondering if we could spend a bit of time on the topic to get my understanding up to speed.
Thanks Mate
Tim
Hey Tim! Sure thing man
Let me start with a question - do you know how to build a modal progression?
Cosmin
Hmm good question,
Not with a lot of confidence I guess. I think this may me where the problem lays. I do understand the concept of mode and how they are constructed, But havnt really linked it all together.
Mate, I got a homework for ya How about this?
Please read this http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=39243&view=findpost&p=564197
The idea is the following: you first deduce a mode by applying its formula over a major scale - the parent scale.
Then, you harmonize the mode just like you would do with the parent scale and you got chords. Now You consider the first chord as being the 1st degree of THAT mode one option is that when you start a chord progression with THAT chord - presto you have a modal progression. Check out the examples in each post about each mode in the link above We'll take it from there!
Deal?
Cosmin
Cool!
Thanks man! Ill dig my way through all this info!
Also, the lesson is taking me longer than expected. I having trouble getting a a good clean tone minus all the string noise. Guess this style aint really my strength (yet!) But yeah hoping to have it up to scratch soon.
Also, Congrats on yesterdays Launch party gig! Looked like you guys had a blast!
Tim
Hey Tim! Thanks bro! It sure was I'll be posting stuff soon! Anyway, if you feel like showing me a recording at this point, I'm looking forward to it!
Heya Cosmin
So here we go! It came up better than I was expecting!
What do you think?
Tim
Honestly, I think it has an awesome groove and tightness! Very well done mate! U are hard on yourself, but I like that! Perfectionism is a very rare trait these days..
Yeah, I guess can be a bit hard on myself. I just like to do things the best I can.
So what's next on the plan?
Tim
Hmmmm I was thinking you could tackle this one: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/radio-funk-rhythm/
It avoids the pinky in a good proportion and it is great to keep your chops up!
What say you?
Cosmin
PS: Please let me know when and if you are going to submit the previous take in the REC
Done and Done!
Alright mate - going to get'em!
Hi Cosmin
Got another Rec for ya! One from a little while back. Its not perfect but its done.
I couldnt get the tone i wanted though, espesially the dissonant part. it sounds crap! need a new guitar soon i think
Enjoy
Tim
He Tim! This has potential, although I would try re-recording with a less fuzzier tone - it needs to be tighter and the tone in this recording doesn't quite help - what say you?
Hi Cosmin,
I've spent the morning messing around with tones. Ive got a sample of my mornings work, im just worried about the tone, and not the timming,ect.. at this stage.
https://soundcloud.com/user464214836/metal-metrics-1-tone-test
Is this sounding a little better? What elsedo you think could be done if more improvment is neccassary?
Thanks
Tim
Aint I Mr Questions today!
I was curious about the bass guitar VST you were using on last nights vid chat? Im looking around for one without much of a cule. Yours seemed to do a pretty good job!
Hey Tim!
This sounds tighter indeed! I think it'll do the trick, but just focus on the tightness when recording the REC take. About the bass plug-in, mine is called Vita and it does the job.
I will have to look into some more stuff when I get some free time as I want to refresh my plug-in arsenal
Hi Cosmin,
Mate, ive been super busy with all kinds of random stuff this week so ive barely had a chance to get anything done. The usual pre Christmas madness it seems Hopefully ill get time soon to get some work done for you. Gotta head out now, so im not gonna make tonights Vid chat either not a good week
Tim
Hey Tim! No biggie man! Listen, take care of the Christmas things and we'll talk when you are ready Just don't leave the guitar aside And, next Thursday, don't forget to bring the webcam and sound if you will attend Last night I jammed a little with Patrik and it felt good
Cosmin!
Merry Christmas mate! Hope you had a nice one! From your story in the forum, its sounds like you did
So Christmas is done, and so is all the other stuff that was going on in my world. Finally got some time today to do some guitar work! YAY!
I did another Rec of the Metal metrics 1. I think i got it sounding a bit better. see what you think.
Ive got a couple of other lessons from you im working on, hope to get them done by the end of the year just in time to start a fresh new year! Also, I should be able to make the vid chats again, fingers crossed nothing comes up at the last minute tomorrow!
Tim
Hehe! Merry Christmas to you too mate! Welcome back on the barricades It sounds great! The tone and timing and everything! If you want me to be uber critical I'd say that in the breakdown part, you could let the palm muted notes ring out in heavier manner - am I making any sense? Hope so!
Let's see what else you got in your sleeve and I'll see you tonight at the v-chat
Cosmin
Hi Cosmin,
Thank for the feedback, good to know I got it right. And the bit about the palm muting makes sence
But unfortunatly ive got nothing new for you yet, the lessons need a bit more work. The Funk lesson is coming along nice, also another metal metrics lesson. Also the old gary moore lesson should be up soon, but its not quite right yet. Its still a bit busy round here from the xmas/new years period. hard to get any work done!
Anyway, hope all's good on your end. I'll have something up for you soon!
Tim
Howdy Tim! Glad to hear you are busy with preparing your recordings When you got something, hit me up!
Hi Cosmin,
Got something for you! I finally got a reasonable take on the Gary moore lesson. Its not quite as good as id like it be, but this is an area in my playing that is really lacking. It was real tough getting this one done! Maybe more stuff in this direction would be beneficial in the future.
Sorry for the vid quality too. Im working on a solution to this problem atm.
Tim
Hey Tim! It looks like you got a pretty firm grasp on this, although you sound a bit, but JUST A BIT uncertain on some notes - they are correct but you don't sound like you are convinced If you get my vibe I think that we should try more of this stuff indeed! How about one more of this one, having in mind what I said in the lines above?
Good choice A fresh approach on things always leads to interesting results
Hey Tim This is no easy lesson mate! I think you did a good job with it, but at some points it lacks the flow, if you know what I am saying and there are some licks somewhere around 0:44 - 0:45 that seem to be a bit blurry. As i said, this needs a lot of attention as the interpretation is crucial Mark, which lesson did you decide on?
It most definitely will feel great! Tim, keep fighting with these ones as they pretty much pack a punch all together That run in the funk metal riffing - I dunno if I even remember what I was playing there shame on me - it's so silly how fast you can forget something if you don't play it for a long period of time...
Strong work ethic! Wow, this sounded so soothing Thanks mate! Glad it's a mutual feeling And I am also glad if Mark feels good to hang with us around here!
Hi Cosmin
Slowly but surely getting some recs done. Like we talked about last time, the progress is a bit slow right now, so many of these recs are just out of my reach! But it will come soon enough.
Im not quite done with this one yet. The timing still not tight enough, but i thought id show you and see if i can get some feedback. Its really hard to get this sounding good. not as punchy as id like. also the guitars not really helping. its hard to get it sounding good and playable in standard tune. let alone in this low tuned madness! but it'll get there soon i hope.
https://soundcloud.com/user464214836/metal-metrics-2-sample
Tim
YES! Mate, listen this is ALMOST perfect
You need to let the second open A string note ring in the main riff, polish the verse part a bit although it sounds killer already and when you bend the low A string in the last part also release it don't just bend and leave it there These are all details, but all in all, you are one awesome dude! Congrats!
Oh... I always get it wrong, I'm married....
Mark! You got a PM waiting for you and if you do a good job, you might even get a thread where people will admire your work and say ''Hey, I wish I could play/ write music like that!''
Hey Mr Cosmin
Thought id stop by and give an update. Still no new recs ready, some of them are so damn close though! Soon!
Still working on the metal metrics. ive Incorporated the missing" A" note and getting to speed. getting the muting right is really tricky. much more difficult than i expected! So here's a sample to see if im on the right track.
https://soundcloud.com/user464214836/metal-metrics-2-sample-1/s-P3NUa
Tim
Hey Tim - I think I wasn't clear enough It would be easier if I would show it to you - tomorrow evening at the v-chat? How does that sound?
Hey matey - I'll be seeing you tonight and we can take care of this together It's just a detail, but it's important, in order to get the WHOLE take perfectly!
Hi Cosmin
Ive got a take done on the metal metrics 2. I don't think its completely spot on, but I cant stand playing this lesson anymore as ive played it to death! I need a break from it. Plus i really dont like playing "strat" style guitars either! They just dont feel right
See what you think. Maybe it can be a revisit down the line.
Back to work on the rest of them i guess!
Tim
Thanks Mark!
Its not too bad I guess. But not as good as id like it to be.
You better watch out for Cosmin! Your coming around here stepping on his toes and all.
Id watch my back if I were you, He's got a big sword!!
No worries guys Tim - you did an AWESOME job mate - there's only ONE LITTLE NOTE that didn't come out clear The rest is perfect If I say that, it means it is
So let's get the rest of them takes finished and don't worry about the sword
Cosmin
Sweet! good to know! That one missing note will haunt me forever
I might revist the Drop A tuning in the future, But for now, Ill stick to regular. Such a low tuning aint really my cup of tea (yet?)
So its back to work, dont want the threat of a sword wielding man breaking down my door for not practicing!:o
Tim
Tim, I wanted to ask you something - would you like to place that in the REC zone?
It sounds good because it sounds good I told you that it did, so keep up the good work mate
Don't underestimate yourself because you have no reason to!
You saw it Tim...lots of instructor praise for that take.... I knew I heard right!!!
Good show mate,....you do damn good for a wounded man..
How is the hand BTW? I'd say good.....
Yeah, good question Tim, how is your hand faring? I hope that all this hasn't pushed you to the point where you had to go through pain in order to perform ..
Hey guys,
ahh yes the hand
Well its not that I pushed through pain to get all this done, but with the amount of work ive done lately it is starting to become bothersome again. So I'm slowing down a little now to give it a break and also try to get a new opinion on its condition from a professional.
so yeah, that's the low down.
Yeah, indeed man - a well done take deserves a good break not too much but not too less just take your time and we'll get back to things when you are ready
Thanks guys!
Yeah, I'll take it easy for a little bit and work on some non guitar stuff for a while. But not too long though
Out of sheer curiosity, what will you be working on?
What will I be working on? Ive got loads to do!
Im going to spend more time on learning German. I'm planning on getting a job again soon so I need to get it to a better level
Then there's ear training I wanna do, Some theory/harmony work. Also working with my Daw to get better recorded guitar tones worked out, mess with plugins ect...
Then finally there's the Electronic music I'll jump back into. Start messing with synths and oscillators again plus maybe some reading!
So plenty to do even with out the guitar!
Also, all this talk in the vid chat about keys, chords, mods got me thinking and thought maybe if your time permits we could do some of this again on my thread. what do you think??
Tim
Hehehehe Looks like you got yer hands full Tim!
Yes mate, of course we can do it! How about starting right now!
Can you please figure this one out?
Cool Mate! I'll get right on it!
Alright!
Allright man! Think I got this one!
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm - Crash Test Dummies
Intro
Uses the chrods Gm7, Dm7, Ab, Bbsus4 I think the Ab may be an Add 9, not quite sure
Theres also a piano bit there, Picked out the G, Bb, F, C, Eb
All Seems to fit into the Eb Major Scale
Verse/Main bit
Chord Prog - Part 1 (I think I hear the sus voicings here and there)
Cm, Bbsus4, Ebx2
Ab, Eb, Bb, Eb
Abx2 Bbsus4, Eb
Bb, Eb, Ab, Eb, Bbx3
This bit is al straight forward for this bit, Vocals use the Ebmajor scale, starting on Eb. Except for a F# Note Which is an accidental.
Chord prog - Part 2This bit is a bit funny
B, Eb, B Bb7/Ab, Ab. the slash chord is the closest thing i could figure out (Bared at 3rd fret)
Vocals are Bb, Gb, F, Eb, Db, G, D.
The Gb and Db notes (which dont fit into the scale) are both used when the B chords is played (also not in the scale)
They run the sequence, Gb, F, Eb, (Db only first time) The only scales these fit to are the Db or Gb Major scales, neither of which have a natural B. So no Idea, whats happening here Maybe just some random stuff to mess with everyones head!
Intro/Chorus
Used again are the same chords, but with the mmmm mmmm part. G, Bb, D, F or a Gm7 Arpeggio
Bridge
Straight forward here too
Fm, Eb, Bb, then finished with an Ab chord. (maybe an add9 again??)
Vocals do Ab, C, Bb, Eb, F, G Around the Eb Major scale here
Outro
This part is just a repeat of the bridge with some other bits and pieces going on over the top. all sounds in key
Thats pretty much it. It all seems to be in Eb major except for that bit with the B chords.
So whats your take on this B chord then?? Im curious!
Tim
Hey man You got a fine set of ears!!
- I'm not too sure about that Bbsus4 in the intro - but I will give it some fresh go tomorrow FIRST thing in the morning when my ears have had a good rest
- about that B - to me it sounds like B Lydian - which would have Gb major as the parent scale Gb and Db are in there Messing with our heads indeed
How's the hand mate?
Cosmin
Damn! B Lydian!
I missed that because my scale "Cheat sheet" Has a Cb instead of B on it! Totally missed it! Makes scene now!!
As for the Bbsus4 I think its a just a regular major, but they hammer onto the 4th which may give it that sound We'll see
The Hand? Haven't been playing much this week so it seems to be better. I'm away from my usual home again, but when i get back im going to try and organize a physio to check it out.
Tim
Oh, ok man - take care of that hand and... why not tell me a little bit more about this 'cheat sheet' of yours How does it work?
Now, shall we have another challenge here?
Challenge is the right word! Ill get on it
My cheat sheet is nothing special, just all the major scales written up in order on a little card. Whenever im doing this sort of work and im stuck or cant visualize what scale fits, ect... I pull it out and then its all so obvious. Except for that B lydian
Tim
Ohhh, I see Well, let's see what you have to say about Prince
Hey mate,
I've got a few things on tonight, So i wont be able to make the vid chat.
Hope to make it next week
Tim
Ok man, no problemmo - how's the Prince tune going?
Hi Cosmin,
Think I've got this one worked out. It was a little tricky to hear it all as this was out of my comfort zone. But here goes
Prince - Raspberry Beret
Intro
Chords used are A, G, D, G, D, G A. I think they are D chords as the bass Is playing a F# on them, but F# Chord doesnt sound right. So I guess a D/F# Chord could be played too.
Bass A, G, F#, G, F#, G, A
Melody over this part uses C#, B, D, E, A, G
So all this tells me its in D Major.
Verse
The chords remain the same as the intro, With a second guitar working the melody around the chords too.
Bass is also Playing the same stuff.
Vocals are roughly working around the E, C#, B, A. Thats all i could hear. I had trouble getting notes from his vocals for some reason?
But, I think it keeps with the songs key.
Chorus
Chorus is the same as the intro, but with Vocals
Vocals use E, F#, A, C#, B Again, looks like the D Major
Bridge
Changes up a little bit here.
Chords D, A x2 (Fill) D,A x2 (fill) G, E, (fill) G, F#m, E. Again the Bass is doing a similar thing as earlier playing a C# were the A chord is. The C# chord didn't sound right and the A chord seemed to work. So again maybe a A/C# chord here??
The Bass follows the chords except for the extra C# And also plays a B before the C#.
The Vocals I had trouble following this well. Something with his vocal style i guess. But i think i heard all the notes from the D major scale again
So I also think this part is in the key of D major
The Only thing which I wasn't entirely sure about was the little fills in between the chord progressions.
Its D,E,A,G#, F#, E and the last note I think is a D, Which would fit fine with the key. But D# sounds ok too, but wouldn't make any sense scale wise. But im Going to go with the D
Thinks thats about it. So I im saying Key of D major.
What do you think??
Also, Im interested more in working out when modes are used, im not really sure how, as they use the same notes as the parents scales. how would one go about woking this stuff out? Maybe a topic we can touch on in the future.
Allright, Then see you again soon
Tim
Hey Tim! Total success mate I followed everything and you are spot on mate! Prince does have a weirder vocal style indeed - hope my GF doesn't somehow end up reading this, as she is a bigger fan than I am
I uber proud of you Now modes - well, in the last session I have explained how I built my take for the Prate Collab based on using modes I will revise everything this Thursday and we can delve into the subject some more - you're coming right?
When using modes you are basically using certain notes over certain chords Tell me, am I mistaken or have we somehow hit this topic in the past?
In the mean time, you can try your hand on the homework and see what you get without thinking about modes - show me what you have come up with and we'll dissect the phrases and see if you have used modes without actually thinking of it The link for the collab backing track is included in the link below!
What say you?
Here's the HW: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=47842
Hey Cosmin,
Thanks man, Its definitely getting easier to break songs down. You should def keep these posts hidden from the GF though
I think we have touched on modes before, and I do understand the concept of them and how they are derived. Its just putting them into practical use is another story.
One thing I did notice about the prince track was that when I tried to improve over some parts, I found that It didnt sound right using the D note as a center as the key would imply. I found I was drawn to the A note More, which sounded a lot better.
Anyhow, Should definitely do more on the topic in the future. For now I'll check out the Homework. Think I should be able to make it this Thursday too.
Tim
That's because the song deals with the A mixolydian mode (5th scale degree of D major)
Now, until Thursday, try and fiddle around with the backing track and invent phrases which follow the chord changes - I have explained the chord progressions and in the first one which is basically a I V IV I progression in C minor, you can play C aeolian while over the rest of the progressions, you can follow the chord changes - for instance, over the G major you can play G phrygian dominant and G phrygian Try things and let's see what you get at tomorrow's session. Don't worry, it doesn't have to be complicated
Hey Tim!
I think it's a good start man You are right, as it sounds indeed way too rigid, but as I said, you have to start somewhere
How I do it - I sing the line in my head and make it fit the chord progression and after laying it on the guitar I see what notes I will mod in order to make the lines fit some chord changes in such a way that they may emphasize on a particular mode At some point you will be able to do it straight away, but till then, this is the best way to start - in my opinion!
Ok,
Had another try at this, Unfortunately I just didn't have the time i expected to have today to work on this. some stuff came up out of the blue.
So I did the modal part again, came up with something a bit better than last time. still not 100% but like you said this is all a matter of practice i guess. The other part I didnt get to yet. Next week ill have my regular practice space back, so I can get more work done.
Maybe next we can talk about which notes emphasize the modes so I have a better understanding of how to fit it all in better??
Catch you at the vid chat
Tim
Hey Tim! As we spoke last evening in the v-chat, time invested in exploring and practice, will solve a lot of problems
About the modes and the notes you can use to emphasize them:
Ionian - 7, 4, 3
Dorian - 6, b3, 2
Phrygian - b2
Lydian - #4
Mixolydian - b7, 3
Aeolian - b6, b3
Locrian - b5
Harmonic Minor - b3, 7
Why not try and play these against the particular chord that they are associated with and see what things sound like? You know, harmonize a major scale using 7th chords and then over each chord play the afferent mode Harmonic minor can be played over a mM7 chord (1 b3 5 7)
Cool! Thanks for that!
Those are the notes i wasn't too sure about, I will definitely study them.
Ive put together some baking tracks this morning to practice over, Ill see what I come up with and Ill post some stuff now and then.
This is one of those areas in my playing which is really missing, maybe even a bit scary to me, just because I have no experience in coming up with melodies and lead lines ect.. so i will spend lots of time on this in the next few weeks I think.
Tim
Hey Tim! I'd be glad to help out with the subject, so let me know when you have finished exploring those tracks and if you have any questions at the moment. I'd also like to hear if you felt inspired to come up with any ideas using the characteristic scale degrees of each mode, or the collab track
Hey Cosmin,
Been a busy weekend so not too much worked on yet, But this week is looking good for time!
But the modes concept is becoming clearer now, in time it will be come up great.
Here's a pic of my modes work station. I recorded all the chords of a major scale as a progression and chopped it up into regions. I can loop them rearrange them ect... to mix things up a bit.
Tim
Hey man This looks great mate. You can also try to check out the lesson notes I made on modes last year - you can find progression examples for each one Check it out: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=39243&view=findpost&p=564197
Hey There Mr Cosmin!
I've got a REC for you today! Its one I started when I the metal metrics Lesson in Drop A and I wanted it finished so I could tune the guitar back up to a normal-er tuning I found because of the lower tension on the strings, the low "A" just doesn't sound defined and snappy enough in the palm muted bits in the main Riff. But other than that, I think It came up pretty well.
As for the Modes, They are coming along nicely! Its staring to make more sense. I been working with my project and getting used to sound and feel of each mode. I've also been digging through those lesson notes, they're very useful!
A bit more practice and they'll all be a piece of cake!
Wow Looks like you've been quite busy, my friend! Congrats on the take - it can easily score the 10 and I will also show it to my band mates!
I am glad that you are using those lesson notes and I am looking forward to see your pirate collab take - don't forget that the deadline is tomorrow
Thanks Man! Its starting to get much easier to get good takes done! Ill Post it up on the Rec page too.
I'll work more on the pirate collab tonight and see what I can come up with.
Alright! Will check it out right away! Well, perfect practice makes perfect, right?
Hey Cosmin,
Sorry I didn't make the Collab. It couldn't really get anything I was happy with. Ill definitely start earlier on the next Collab.
Also, I just realized that I haven't seen the Backing track you said you would post from the track in the last vid chat.
Is it up somewhere and Ive just missed it?
Oh! My Bad!
Also, Ive forgotten exactly what the task was. Learn it and record a version or interpretation of it? My memory's a bit fuzzy.
Great man! Check out tonight's session - I got another tune for you guys
Hey Cosmin
Got another Rec done today! Slowly but surely im getting through the list of them
I haven't gotten this circle vibrato technique completely mastered, but I think Ive got it to a point where I could do the Rec.
I still find it a little tricky to do it well on the "wound" lower strings and also the high E, but in time it will become easier and more natural I think.
Hey Tim! Great stuff dude! I think you are very close to nailing it - just take care and control the vibrato better, just to avoid getting out of pitch!
Hi Mate, How you doing
Ive got a little Rec finished for you today. It was one of your tracks from the video chat a couple weeks ago.
It was a very interesting experience and I learned a lot from it all. I didnt get the clean chord part sounding too good though. Ive still got a long way to go in Recording and mixing, but one has to start somewhere right!
See what you think
Tim
https://soundcloud.com/user464214836/cosmins-song-1
Hey TIM Wow man, you made my evening Of course it has to start - and what better place than here? I see you changed the theme a bit at the parts where I played the eight notes and than that tripled The tone has a bit too many highs mate, otherwise I think you got the groove going! Great, great Glad you liked it and learned stuff
Great! Put it up here when it's ready Oh, don't forget about this Thursday - we'll have a blast with the same idea as last Thursday but against a chord progression this time !
Hey Tim!
This is much better - it has greatness and it feels spacy - just like it is intended to. The only thing that still feels a bit too small is the lead melody - maybe add some more delay to it?
Mate - here's what I suggest Learning drum writing and orchestrating music in general is done by starting from an idea.
Do you have any guitar melodies or riffs that you would like to turn into something more complex?
Cosmin
Alright! Let me know what songs you chose Be careful that at first you won't choose ones that are too difficult, ok? Step by step is the way to go
Hey man!
Alright got a song list for you. Sorry for the delay, I don't know where the time went this week!
Ok, So I'll start with: Foo Fighters - Wheels
Then: Slash - Starlight
Then finish with: Rage against the machine - People of the sun
I think that should challenge me enough!
Hey Cosmin,
A quick update,
Once again the "real world" is taking up too much of my time. Im back "home" again but there are new problems arriving. Our living arrangements are up in the air all of a sudden and my Girlfriend is having family issues that I'm caught in the middle of too. No time for music unfortunately
But not to worry, I have started on the drum tracks, and things shouldl be back to normal here soon enough to get them done. Also, I'll be away from home tomorrow (again), so ill miss yet another vid chat. Here's hoping next Thursday things will be a bit more normal.
Anyways, hope your well and hopefully catch you soon
Tim
Tim, my friend Thanks for the update on things - I am well and working hard with my activities. You take good care of your lady and get back to music when you feel it's time. Looking forward to hear what you came up with, drum wise!
All right! I'm Back!!
So everything here has stabilized once again and gone back to normal (as normal as it gets for us ) Its go time!
I've finally got the foo fighters track done. It was actually quite difficult! Especially the Imputing into midi. Its tricky to get the feel right
Turns out there's more to drumming then all the jokes give drummers credit for!Especially the Imputing into midi.
So I'm relatively happy with the outcome. I worked more on the actual notes and not so much on the sound. Its quite difficult to replicate those hi hats!
Ill post an Mp3 of it. I can also post the Midi file if you like. I did it in Addictive drums.
Right, So ill get stared on the next track, and pretty soon ill start on some guitar stuff again (im nursing a deeply cut finger atm
Anyway, Hope all is good on your side. Catch you soon
Tim
Hey Tim! Glad you're back man
Pfff, what in the name of God are you doing with those hands man? You always get hurt somehow
I listened to the track and it seems fine so far - I'll go a few times through it to see if I spot any differences tho.
Tell me would you be up for recording the guitars as well? I think it's going to be a great orchestration exercise - simply analyzing what Dave and the guys did with the song and understanding what goes where, will shed a lot of light on your own stuff too!
Cosmin
Yeah, im a bit accident prone. Big and clumsy
Guess I could have a go at the guitars too. Definitely be a challenge that's for sure! Ill get onto it!
I'll be really looking forward to hear that mate Will you be here with us on Thursday?
Hello Mate,
Thought I'd drop by, show you what I'm up to. I've been working on the track but its been slow progress. There's just so much to do and learn,getting good tones is hard! and getting good takes is bit tricky sometimes too!
Anyways ive been working on a couple of the main parts. The verse im quite happy with the sound, but I need to re-record it. The pre chorus is not bad I think. The chorus needs the chord voicings to be more prominent. So lots more work for me it seems
See what you think, Maybe it some frequencies stand out to you, my headphones aren't the best.
Thanks mate - I learned even more I am trying to get some new stuff into my arsenal, as lately, I haven't had time to practice new stuff at all and it feels frustrating not to, you know..
Anyway, I totally agree with you in what regards the covering - that's how you learn And then, BAM, onward to the next step!
Now, I'll see you on Thursday and in the mean time, post in here when you have new stuff on the track By the way, how's that finger going?
Hey Mate,
Another quick preview, Got a couple of snippets for you. Im working on the lead parts, Im not entirely happy with them yet.
Still got the verse to redo and the drum sound to improve, but slowly getting there. One thing I'm kinda stuck with are the harmonic sounds in the intro and the solo section. Any ideas?? I cant seem to get that sound.
Hey Tim, so far, this sounds amazing Unfortunately, they make it sound huge because the recording, mixing and mastering conditions and knowledge are way better than anything us mere mortals would have
Let me listen to it some more, but I think the harmonics are added separately because I can't hear them in the live version, for instance:
They aren't there out of what I can distinguish... so if you nail the right notes, add them separately
See you tonight at the v-chat man, you're coming, aye?
Cosmin
Thanks Man,
Guess there is only so much one can get out of a basic setup compared to having a full studio! Plus the know how! I'll keep at it though
As for the harmonics, I was just going to add separately like you said. Just haven't found em yet.
I'll definitely make the V chat tonight. see you then
Tim
Hey man, hope you didn't mind that I praised your work last evening, but it was honest
No problem man. It was a bit weird for me though!
Not sure
I guess I'm more of a quiet achiever. Im not out to get praise on the things I do. I just do what I do
I understand and will respect your wishes, mate. But, you deserved it and that's why I felt like making it public
Hello Mate,
Its preview time again! I've got all the main tracks done now, along with the bass. Still not entirely happy with the Lead parts and i haven't been able to get those harmonics yet either. I'll work on it the next few days and do some tweaks here and there and we'll be all done!
Pretty happy with the way its turning out!
See what you think.
Tim
Sounds like a plan!
It would be good to have an opinion like that
Alright, stay tuned then
Hey Cosmin,
So I've done the last couple things to the track. I got the harmonics done, they're not quite right but its the best I could do.
I've gotten to a point with this track where I dont really know how to make it sound better or how I want it to sound, and the more I do to it, the worse it starts to sound.
I don't have the ability and knowledge yet so I'll call it a day on this one and move on.
Tim
Hey man - about the harmonics - honestly they sound good to me! And here's what my friend said:
For the conditions you described, it sounds good with the following observations:
- the hihats are too loud in the beginning and then a bit too quiet and maybe a bit too harsh regarding the sound.
- maybe the snare could use a little reverb
Uh oh, I just noticed - at 02:06 - there's a little issue with a forgotten snare there I totally agree with you man and I really think you did a pro job on this one. Shall we choose another song, or would you like to try something else for a change?
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