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Jan 28 2008, 02:36 AM
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i'm playning soon learn Minor scale..I'm prety konw the Pentatonic minor so that's why
usualy i'm learnig scale from this program http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...29&get2=Get and i'm just wanna know if the mark Melodic minor Descending mean the right scale...actualy i'm thing yes.. but what interesing me why the scale are call Descending?? next beghiner question   actualy i'm asking becouse there is 1 more melodic minor which is ascending and the scale is totaly diferent i'm know what is ascending and descending and when i'm use all of this most of time i'm use the same scale thanks This post has been edited by besip: Jan 28 2008, 02:49 AM -------------------- [
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Jan 28 2008, 02:48 AM
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This scale is the same as natural minor scale!
The ASCENDING version instead, is a Harmonic Minor scale with a raised 6th. This was composer fuss... They needed a scale with a natural 7th interval.... So they changed the natural minor scale and made harmonic minor scale. But harmonic minor was too cool and eastern sounding for them, so they raised the 6th interval too, and created the Melodic minor scale. The descending melodic minor scale is the same as natural minor because you don't focus on the 7th when descending. THIS post by ANDREW the mighty theory master will help you more than my hasty explanation I think!!
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Jan 28 2008, 03:46 AM
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QUOTE (Freebird @ Jan 27 2008, 07:48 PM)  This scale is the same as natural minor scale! The ASCENDING version instead, is a Harmonic Minor scale with a raised 6th. This was composer fuss... They needed a scale with a natural 7th interval.... So they changed the natural minor scale and made harmonic minor scale. But harmonic minor was too cool and eastern sounding for them, so they raised the 6th interval too, and created the Melodic minor scale. The descending melodic minor scale is the same as natural minor because you don't focus on the 7th when descending. THIS post by ANDREW the mighty theory master will help you more than my hasty explanation I think!! If im not mistaken, the Harmonic Minor scale has a sharpened 7th not 6th. Meaning that instead of having 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7 it is 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7 -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006 |
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Jan 28 2008, 06:51 AM
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QUOTE (Freebird @ Jan 27 2008, 11:16 PM) Yes but I said Harmonic minor with sharp 6th not Natural Minor Anyway Besip, don't get tangled with Melodic minor and stuff.... Learn the Natural Minor scale which is the most useful of all of them. yeaahh i'm gonna learn her just 1 again the Natural Minor scale has name on that program http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...29&get2=Get Melodic Minor{descending} 
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Jan 28 2008, 02:15 PM
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Hi Besip, yes that is the right scale - as Freebird says, stay away from harmonic minor until you have mastered a few other scales, Minor is a very important one so you are definitely doing the right thing
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Jan 30 2008, 06:26 AM
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don't kill me i'm back
so i'm check the andrew diagram here https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=5496 and also the diagram on thet program http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...29&get2=Get so if i'm got this right the Scale - Melodic Minor (Descending) 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7 3-th pattern Root note - G shoot be the same like natural minor on andrew lesson but when i'm check the program for example the 1 box on pattern 3 on that program has there 1 more semitone like andrew diagram why??? same box is ok some has 1 mote semitone or tone what ever{ i'm not check all of them} 
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Jan 30 2008, 11:06 AM
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That is VERY good question about ascending and descending thing in melodic minor Rene!!!
You know,when I was told about the same thing in Music High School i was like,ok,those are rules. But later on I realized that melodic minor sounds quite odd(read cool)when descending same way as ascending. So I simply "erased" that rule from my world of understanding that scale,a melodic minor. Hopefully I won't end up on state court or something. 
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Jan 30 2008, 12:50 PM
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rules are to be broken
QUOTE (Muris @ Jan 30 2008, 11:06 AM) Hopefully I won't end up on state court or something. Don't worry, I know some people there 
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Jan 30 2008, 02:02 PM
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Hi Rene,
I think you have discoverd that the melodic minor is different going up and coming down (the difference is that 7th note) - its really not that common a scale, and as we discussed earlier the descending version is exactly the same as the natural minor (another name for natural minor is Aeolian by the way - check that out in your program if Melodics is confusing to you!) The difference is: 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7 (for Melodic ascending) 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7 (for Melodic descending and Natural Minor) For now I suggest you focus on the natural minor scale and learn that - but the good news is that it looks like you are really starting to figure these things out yourself - you are definitely learning some theory
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Jan 30 2008, 07:41 PM
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hi there
I don't have an A# ... but I do have a Bb, and they are the same note Its technically more correct to call it Bb so that we have one of each type of note in thescale, not 2 As: G,A,A#,C,D,D#,F - wrong (2 As and 2 Ds) G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F - right (one of each type of note!) -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jan 31 2008, 05:28 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jan 30 2008, 01:41 PM) hi there I don't have an A# ... but I do have a Bb, and they are the same note Its technically more correct to call it Bb so that we have one of each type of note in thescale, not 2 As: G,A,A#,C,D,D#,F - wrong (2 As and 2 Ds) G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F - right (one of each type of note!) Hi andrew i'm got ypu so they are probbaly wrong i'm gonna belive you and learn the scale here becouse they got everywhere A# but anyway the semitone will be pick ok from therebut what i'm still dont understand and what i'm talking about is about high E string where you have on diagram just 2 note which is probally right but they have there 2 tones and 1 semi-tones A# which is probbaly Bb http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...29&get2=Get but the semitone is anyway part of second box so the just put this there..probalyy the point is the program do not showiing boxes but patterns thats why -------------------- [
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Jan 31 2008, 06:50 AM
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Don't be confused by 2 notes on the string,it's just mix of 2 boxes to make fingering maybe easier.
The whole deal is,scale has 7 different notes,locate them on every string on whole fretboard and do whatever you want,connect them as you wish.
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