Harmonic And Melodic Minor Modes Names
K1R
Dec 25 2012, 12:16 PM
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I was reading some material about improvising over dominant7 chords when I saw a Mixolydian b13 b9 scale. When I took a closer look on it, I realised that it is the fifth mode of Harmonic Minor scale. Well, since Harmonic Minor scale is a minor scale, shouldn't Mixolydian b13 b9 be called Phrygian #3 instead? At first name "Mixolydian" led me into missunderstanding about where the mode had come from...
Mixolydian b13 (or b6) is the 5th mode of Melodic Minor scale, so shouldn't it be called Phrygian #2 #3 as well?

P.S. I've found these scales in our Scale generator as Phrygian Major Scale (Mixolydian b13 b9) and Mixolydian flat 6 (Mixolydian b13 (or b6)).

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The Professor
Jan 8 2013, 09:25 PM
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Very fun mode for 7th chords, with a few names that makes it confusing. There's a system of scale names in the jazz world that compares all HM modes to their related major modes. It's great for learning the HM modes as you just alter any major mode you know by one note and you get the related HM mode.

Here are the names if you want to check them out.

HM 1 = Aeolian #7
HM 2 = Locrian #6
HM 3 = Ionian #5
HM 4 = Dorian #4
HM 5 = Phrygian #3
HM 6 = Lydian #2
HM 7 = Mixolydian #1


There's a similar system for naming MM modes that relates them back to major modes with only one note different between the MM mode and related major mode.

MM 1 = Ionian b3
MM 2 = Dorian b2
MM 3 = Phrygian b1
MM 4 = Lydian b7
MM 5 = Mixolydian b6
MM 6 = Aeolian b5
MM 7 = Locrian b4

Those names don't really describe the chords that they produce, but they help learn the HM and MM modes rather quickly as you can just adjust the 7 major modes by one note to create these other scale systems.

Might be worth checking out.

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- K1R   Harmonic And Melodic Minor Modes Names   Dec 25 2012, 12:16 PM
- - ConnorGilks   Hey man! some names are interchangeable, but t...   Dec 27 2012, 02:24 AM
|- - Cosmin Lupu   QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Dec 27 2012, 01:24 A...   Dec 29 2012, 09:03 AM
|- - vonhotch   QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Dec 27 2012, 01:24 A...   Dec 30 2012, 01:26 AM
|- - ConnorGilks   QUOTE (vonhotch @ Dec 30 2012, 12:26 AM) ...   Dec 30 2012, 03:30 AM
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- - Cosmin Lupu   Indeed the names are based on function and I also ...   Dec 30 2012, 10:10 AM
- - klasaine   QUOTE (K1R @ Dec 25 2012, 11:16 AM) I was...   Dec 31 2012, 01:15 AM
|- - Cosmin Lupu   QUOTE (klasaine @ Dec 31 2012, 12:15 AM) ...   Dec 31 2012, 09:40 AM
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- - ConnorGilks   QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 30 2012, 09:10 A...   Jan 1 2013, 03:37 AM
|- - Cosmin Lupu   QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Jan 1 2013, 02:37 AM...   Jan 1 2013, 05:34 PM
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- - klasaine   Excellent point ConnerGilks! *I prefer phryg...   Jan 1 2013, 04:34 AM
|- - ConnorGilks   QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 1 2013, 03:34 AM) E...   Jan 1 2013, 09:38 AM
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- - klasaine   Names can be confusing indeed! After re-readi...   Jan 1 2013, 06:56 PM
|- - Cosmin Lupu   QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 1 2013, 05:56 PM) N...   Jan 2 2013, 10:45 AM
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- - klasaine   Yes, phryg/dom. Especially cool sound over a 7#9 c...   Jan 2 2013, 06:27 PM
|- - Cosmin Lupu   QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 2 2013, 05:27 PM) Y...   Jan 2 2013, 09:24 PM
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- - klasaine   Exactly and part of me now thinks that I too shoul...   Jan 2 2013, 09:55 PM
- - Cosmin Lupu   Great input here mate It looks like you are a fel...   Jan 3 2013, 09:16 AM
|- - klasaine   QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 3 2013, 08:16 AM...   Jan 3 2013, 05:15 PM
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- - Andre Nieri   Hi mate. This scale is commonly refered as to Phry...   Jan 3 2013, 05:41 PM
- - ConnorGilks   QUOTE (Andre Nieri @ Jan 3 2013, 04:41 PM...   Jan 4 2013, 04:28 AM
- - Cosmin Lupu   This looks very interesting I had no clue about t...   Jan 9 2013, 11:53 AM
- - casinostrat   QUOTE (Matt Warnock Guitar @ Jan 8 2013, 08...   Jan 9 2013, 10:38 PM
- - Matt Warnock Guitar   QUOTE (casinostrat @ Jan 9 2013, 09:38 PM...   Jan 12 2013, 04:31 PM
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