Muse -odd Scale?!, Knights of cydonia.
Jesse
Mar 22 2009, 03:02 PM
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Hey, I had a question. In muse's Knight's of Cydonia, he get's freaky with his tremolo and plays an odd scale. I was wondering if anyone knows what scale it actually is? THank's!

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Mar 22 2009, 05:37 PM
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Jakub Luptovec
Mar 22 2009, 09:12 PM
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in which seconds? embed here a video and specify precise time when he does it and we might be able to help you.. at least I will try..

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Ramiro Delforte
Mar 22 2009, 10:15 PM
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If you're talking about this melody

e|---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
D|-5---4--2--0-----2--4--5----4--2--0----|-1----2--4--2---5--7--8----7--8--9----|
A|---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
E|---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|

e|----------------|----------------|----------------|-----------------------------|
B|----------------|----------------|----------------|----------------------------|
G|-8---5--0--7----|-8---7--5--3----|-7---5--3--5----|-3--1--3----4----5----|
D|----------------|----------------|----------------|-----------------------------|
A|----------------|----------------|----------------|------------------------------|
E|----------------|----------------|----------------|------------------------------|

Is just a simple Em scale but sometimes the melody passes on some chromatic tones of the secondary dominants.

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Jesse
Mar 24 2009, 09:15 AM
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Ramiro, thanks:D But what are secondary dominant's? Just the second interval|?

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QUOTE (Jesse @ Mar 24 2009, 04:15 AM) *
Ramiro, thanks:D But what are secondary dominant's? Just the second interval|?


I will try to get some more information for the theory guru that I know; but, I recall him remarking about the weird patterns and the constant shifts from one key and mode/scale to another. He says it is unique and not he noticed it immediately.

I wish I knew more about theory to able to pick these intricacies out.

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The passingnote, Eb, is the raised 7th of harmonic minor. Thus it gives a very nice flavor, passing through that exotic note.

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QUOTE (Jesse @ Mar 24 2009, 09:15 AM) *
Ramiro, thanks:D But what are secondary dominant's? Just the second interval|?


Mmmm I'll try to explain shortly about this topic.

The dominant chord is a chord that gives the tension to resolve to the root of the key. One of the reasons of this to happend is that the 3rd of the dominant chord is the ascending sensitive of the scale (in C major it would be cool.gif. That seventh degree tends to resolve into the first degree.
Now, if you want that sensation in other degree you have to make that degree a dominant.
Imagine you have a progression II-V-I in C major would be Dm-G7-C.
So, if you want to have the same sensation from the II to the V that you have from the V to the I you'll have to make that II degree a secondary dominant.
That would be D7, so you raise the third making it F# instead F and you have that asending sensitive that leads you to the G. Now the progression would be D7-G7-C.

With that now I explain again the Muse's melody.
The line sometimes passes through those thirds of the majorized (the chords who became dominants) and that's why it could sound a little odd.

Let me know if this clarified a little bit biggrin.gif

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Mar 27 2009, 05:31 PM
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Ah, much betterD: thank's

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Sure mate!
You're welcome wink.gif

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I was wondering the same thing regarding a lot of Muse's music. Brilliant composition.

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