Marshall Mg100hdfx Head/ Mg412a Cab, Is it any good? |
|
Marshall Mg100hdfx Head/ Mg412a Cab, Is it any good? |
|
|
|
|
Mar 3 2009, 07:04 PM |
Hear's my 2 cents. I've owned many combo's and a couple of Marshall full stacks. In fact that's what I use currently. Many people say a 4x12 is to big for a club setting. That's total bs in my opinion. The sound produced by a 4x12 closed back cab cannot even be compaired to a 2x12 open backed combo. Focused, ballsy, and punchy are just a few of the words describing a 4x12. I would say you are mixing 2 different things mate. 4x12 cabs do sound better, no one is arguing otherwise, but we are talking about practicality of the 4x12 use in small clubs. If I see 100W Marshall halfstack in a limited space, this tells me only that the sound will be flat. No dynamics, loose low end, specially if you use distortion. If you crank the 50W Marshall in the club it will be often too loud, cause you have to mic it anyway, so you run it at 50-60% of the power. The only real need for a speaker there is to mic it up, and 2x12 serves the purpose, both sound-wise and space-wise. Now imagine a 100W halfstack in the club - cranked. See what I mean? The sound engeneer can always add a bit bass if needed. The 200-300W 4x12 cab running on ~15% power is bit an overkill to my experience. Yes it can be done, the sound will have more (loose) low end, but if you are on a limited budget 2x12 is a good recommendation. These closed cabs can be tight and have a nice bass response. Also they are cheaper then 4x12, and easier to carry around. For 500$ I don't think a good halfstack can be bought anyway, so it is important to say that as well. I always carry my combo around, and don't wanna buy a 4x12 simply cause I would not use it that often. I could carry it around on big open gigs during summer perhaps and that's it. Not a good investment, if the time comes, I will rent one. 2x12 combo on another hand is a very good investment, and if you find a hybrid one, even better. Later on you can combine it with another 2x12 or 4x12 if needed. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Mar 3 2009, 07:07 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :) |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 3 2009, 11:02 PM |
I have no problem if you run it through several cabs. Some may prefer to do like that - it's up to player to decide of course. I'm just saying that using 2x12 is very convenient and pretty reasonable thing to get if you're on a limited budget, and need a solid and portable working equipment. Also, as I said before, 4x12 cab needs to be cranked or it will sound a bit slow, cause it needs more power to operate (less power is distributed on 4 speakers then 2). It doesn't matter if you use attenuation - power is power, and cones must move to produce the full sound and move air. More movement - better dynamics. Of course this is not always important, but it is important for me to at least point this fact for future buyers. What they wanna do with it is their choice, I'm just trying to help.
If you like to keep 2 cabs on stage during the gig I say go for it man! It is rock an roll, I agree. I would also keep them there if I had someone to carry them for me on every gig, but I would not play through them, I would use only 2 speakers of one cab. The rest could be empty for all I care - I would keep it there for looks. I've red that on many big concerts all those cabs are not really cabs, only one pair of them is miced up and other ones are empty boxes - only for display. So because in R&R it is important to display your gear as well, I support your cabinet use. On the stage I use 1x12 combos, and it is enough for me to hear the sound, so I know that it is there. Sound tech will make a good sound on PA and that is all that matters for people. If someone in the band wants to hear the guitar, he will get it through monitoring not my cab, and they don't get low end there, on contrary, those monitors are often smaller than regular PA boxes, so they give away mid range sound. On many stages there aren't even monitors, so I can barely hear other bandmates, and they can barely hear me. But drummer is there, so you follow the beat, and listen to your amp in the distance. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Mar 3 2009, 11:04 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :) |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 4 2009, 12:44 AM |
the Peavey Bandit sounds like a great deal, I hope my guitar center has one to try out, how does it compare to the Valveking? just in case they don't have it at GC , i know they have the valveking The valve king sounds better, but the bandit isn't a horrible amp. Most people in this form have awesome gear, so they might not like my suggestion. And if you were playing gigs I'd recommend something better, but if it's garage playing to screw around with some buddies, the bandit will be fine. It's much louder than the stock Valveking 112. Edit: The Bandit is probably a better overall amp than the Marshall, fyi. I'm not sure where you live dude, but buy used. These things almost never leave the bedrooms in the basements. http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-m...QAdIdZ108955471 http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-m...QAdIdZ108919235 http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-m...QAdIdZ110744294 This post has been edited by Sircraigery: Mar 4 2009, 12:48 AM -------------------- Guitars:
Ibanez Prestige RG2610E [BKP Cold Sweat] Ibanez Prestige RG2550E [Carbon Fiber Plastics] Ibanez Roadstar II RS-135 [Stock] Quest Acoustic [Stock] Effects: Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah Boss DR-3 Dr. Rhythym Amp: Marshall JCM2000 DSL 401 'Only the dead have seen the end of the war.' - Plato |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 4 2009, 12:49 AM |
well we already played 2 shows, I borrowed my friends 150 watt line 6, which was loud enough but sounded pretty bad, so I guess for playing small to medium gigs, the best thing would be the 212 valveking? Yeah, I'd say that's your best bet if you didn't like the Line 6. Here man: http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-m...QQAdIdZ93315679 Ask if he'll ship to you haha. Remember, these are CDN dollars, not US. This post has been edited by Sircraigery: Mar 4 2009, 12:52 AM -------------------- Guitars:
Ibanez Prestige RG2610E [BKP Cold Sweat] Ibanez Prestige RG2550E [Carbon Fiber Plastics] Ibanez Roadstar II RS-135 [Stock] Quest Acoustic [Stock] Effects: Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah Boss DR-3 Dr. Rhythym Amp: Marshall JCM2000 DSL 401 'Only the dead have seen the end of the war.' - Plato |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 4 2009, 01:19 AM |
I think Valveking 212 is good enough for any type of live show, so it gets my vote.
-------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :) |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 4 2009, 01:22 AM
|
|
yes for sure I will check it out, thank you to all for the recommendations and help
This post has been edited by megadeth1117: Mar 4 2009, 01:23 AM |
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 4 2009, 01:30 AM |
No prob mate, we're here to help. Let us know what you did!
Cheers -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :) |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Mar 4 2009, 10:49 AM |
so would I be better off tonewise with the peavey rather than the marshall, since it can also play shows? I always thought 50 watts would be way too little, or is it different in tube wattage? The relation between Wattage and Volume is not linear but logarithmic. So 100 Watt is not 100 times louder than 1 Watt but actually only twice as loud. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_amplifier#Power_output for reference.
-------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
|
|
||