Bending With Eb Tuning |
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Bending With Eb Tuning |
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Jun 3 2013, 09:15 PM |
Wow...if thats true then thanks! Did you find that info somewhere? Haha no it seems logical to me |
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Jun 3 2013, 10:07 PM |
Haha no it seems logical to me Oh..I was hoping for something a bit more scientifically proven! |
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Jun 4 2013, 12:09 PM |
Enjoy the music, mate Don't think about that much physics. There's an old samurai saying: 'Too many mind. No mind!'
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Jun 5 2013, 09:14 PM |
I think that since the variables in this would be string size, scale length and string tension, and the only thing that changes is tension, it maybe able to be tested with a string tension calculator. I think that it maybe that different notes vibrate at different tensions but it does not have an inverse relationship to the other variables so only changing tension may cause the amount of tension needed to go from note "x" to note "y" maybe different. If you change the tension of the string and the string size you maybe able to make it so the distance you have to bend the string to create the correct tension as before is the same. I did not actually test anything on a calculator. I'm feeling a bit lazy after thinking that hard, but this is the link to the calculator I use figure out what size strings I want for different things. If you want to try. Hope my ramblings made some sense to someone other than me.
http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_guitar_string.htm -------------------- |
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Jun 6 2013, 05:21 PM |
The more I thought about this the more my brain began to hurt.....But I found this paper on the effects of distance versus tension on elastic bands. I know it's not quite the same thing but I think it is a similar effect.
http://www.if.uidaho.edu/~chris/docs/Calcu...andTensions.pdf So as long as the frequency of notes happen at equal distances versus the tension, it may be bending the same distance in a different tuning? Maybe? Edit. I went and did an experiment with the string calculator I started by finding the tension of an E string in standard tuning. E4 using a string guage of .01045 at 17 lbs of tension and 25" scale length and 329.63 hz. The same string guage tuned to Eb has a tension of 15.15 lbs and a frequency of 311.13hz. My experiment was to virtually bend the E string at the 12th fret 1 whole step with both tunings. And determine whether the tension is the same with both tunings. This would be assuming that the tension over distance is linear like in the elastic band study above. Anyway....... Standard tuning E5 tension 17 lbs 659.26 hz calculator says string gauge would have to be...... .00522 (Impossible I know) F#5 to end up with the same string size the tension would be 21.4 lbs (frequency 739.99hz) A difference of 4.4 lbs Eb tuning E5 tension 15.15 lbs 659.26 hz string guage would have to be...... .00493 F#5 739.99hz to get a string guage of .00493 tension would be..... 19.1 lbs A difference of 3.95 lbs Conclussion. If the tension of the string varies equally over any distance. Then the distance to bend one whole step in Eb tuning should be slightly less than in standard tuning........ This post has been edited by vonhotch: Jun 6 2013, 05:54 PM -------------------- |
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Jun 6 2013, 07:17 PM |
The more I thought about this the more my brain began to hurt.....But I found this paper on the effects of distance versus tension on elastic bands. I know it's not quite the same thing but I think it is a similar effect. http://www.if.uidaho.edu/~chris/docs/Calcu...andTensions.pdf So as long as the frequency of notes happen at equal distances versus the tension, it may be bending the same distance in a different tuning? Maybe? Edit. I went and did an experiment with the string calculator I started by finding the tension of an E string in standard tuning. E4 using a string guage of .01045 at 17 lbs of tension and 25" scale length and 329.63 hz. The same string guage tuned to Eb has a tension of 15.15 lbs and a frequency of 311.13hz. My experiment was to virtually bend the E string at the 12th fret 1 whole step with both tunings. And determine whether the tension is the same with both tunings. This would be assuming that the tension over distance is linear like in the elastic band study above. Anyway....... Standard tuning E5 tension 17 lbs 659.26 hz calculator says string gauge would have to be...... .00522 (Impossible I know) F#5 to end up with the same string size the tension would be 21.4 lbs (frequency 739.99hz) A difference of 4.4 lbs Eb tuning E5 tension 15.15 lbs 659.26 hz string guage would have to be...... .00493 F#5 739.99hz to get a string guage of .00493 tension would be..... 19.1 lbs A difference of 3.95 lbs Conclussion. If the tension of the string varies equally over any distance. Then the distance to bend one whole step in Eb tuning should be slightly less than in standard tuning........ Hey Vonhotch...that's pretty scientific!! Sounds a bit like Vampire and Shaolin's conclusions!! I feel better now that I know that I wasn't the only one who was curious about the science of strings...Considering that's what we all do every day!! |
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Jun 7 2013, 05:37 AM |
Wow y'all totally lost me but I get the idea I think.
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