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JesseS View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:03 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:03 AM	GMC:er Posts: 9 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Colorado,USA	I learned economy picking for 3 note per string scales and a few other things and i really regret it. I don't economy pick anything descending. only ascending when i go from low to high. I really notice my self doing it a lot with normal diatonic scales and some licks. I used to be really good at speed picking up and down the fretboard ascending descending and some string skips, but i have really slowed since i got my right hand used to economy on the ascending scales and licks and i try so hard to break it but i can't seem to get over it. I highly suggest strict alternate picking to people now unless you really know what you are up against. Any ideas or lessons that i should review or practice? i really need this. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by JesseS: Jan 23 2008, 12:04 AM

Smikey2006 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:14 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:14 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.361 Joined: 27-April 07 From: London,ont	Same problem here! what my local git teacher told me was just by knowing economy shouldn't make it a habit rather just another technique to the arsonal.. try and remember how to use economy at the same time start playing all your scales really slowly again.. just say over and over Up Down Up Down Up Down and do all the scales slowly.. eventually the ap will come back You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter Exotic Star+ Peavey VK Ibanez Xiphos 707 + Krank Revolution 100 Damien 7 Wishlist Schecter Customshop Schecter 2008 Blackjack Damage Control Timeline Delay Pedal/Distortion a laptop that runs protools :'(

FretDancer69 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:14 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:14 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras	oh man ill never understand why people sometimes say economy picking is useful, i started practicing strict AP since i started. But anyways, i think , since you're erasing a bad habit, you should practice strictly AP up-down REALLY SLOWLY, and with a metronome at very slow bpm, and gradually increase speed but only if you're strictly playing Up- down. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006

Smikey2006 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:17 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:17 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.361 Joined: 27-April 07 From: London,ont	QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Jan 22 2008, 06:14 PM) oh man ill never understand why people sometimes say economy picking is useful, i started practicing strict AP since i started. But anyways, i think , since you're erasing a bad habit, you should practice strictly AP up-down REALLY SLOWLY, and with a metronome at very slow bpm, and gradually increase speed but only if you're strictly playing Up- down. i wouldn't say economy is a bad habit. It allows for much smoother pay in some cases and really helps your sweeping.. I keep it for slower stuff.. although when you are going lightening fast AP is better i find EP to be just as benificial when its nessisary .. im gunna stick with knowing both You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter Exotic Star+ Peavey VK Ibanez Xiphos 707 + Krank Revolution 100 Damien 7 Wishlist Schecter Customshop Schecter 2008 Blackjack Damage Control Timeline Delay Pedal/Distortion a laptop that runs protools :'(

JesseS View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:17 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:17 AM	GMC:er Posts: 9 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Colorado,USA	QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Jan 22 2008, 04:14 PM) Same problem here! what my local git teacher told me was just by knowing economy shouldn't make it a habit rather just another technique to the arsonal.. try and remember how to use economy at the same time start playing all your scales really slowly again.. just say over and over Up Down Up Down Up Down and do all the scales slowly.. eventually the ap will come back should i practice starting with and up stroke or down stroke while ascending? or both? I also always start with a down stroke on almost everything even descending scales and arpeggios. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Smikey2006 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:23 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:23 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.361 Joined: 27-April 07 From: London,ont	I tend to start with the direction im going BUT it doesn't hurt to practice both switch it up just to get the hang of both.. you never know which it will be in a real situation You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter Exotic Star+ Peavey VK Ibanez Xiphos 707 + Krank Revolution 100 Damien 7 Wishlist Schecter Customshop Schecter 2008 Blackjack Damage Control Timeline Delay Pedal/Distortion a laptop that runs protools :'(

JesseS View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 12:35 AM
Jan 23 2008, 12:35 AM	GMC:er Posts: 9 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Colorado,USA	thanks a lot for the help you guys You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

coffeeman View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 01:04 AM
Jan 23 2008, 01:04 AM	Experienced Tone Seeker Posts: 1.762 Joined: 15-September 07 From: Bogota,Colombia	Hi JesseS, I recomend you to practice the following lessons: Pavel Alternate picking lesson 1 Muris alternate picking lesson thirds David Walliman Alternate picking chops These lessons seem too difficult at first sight , but the idea is to practice them very slow and accurate. Of course u can find a lot more of alternate picking lessons Here Have fun! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- The only thing yo can do, is what you love! Visit my youtube

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 01:24 AM
Jan 23 2008, 01:24 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Alternate is only one technique that you should use in your playing. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

ch00ch00man View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 01:41 AM
Jan 23 2008, 01:41 AM	GMC:er Posts: 143 Joined: 7-April 07	QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Jan 22 2008, 08:24 PM) Alternate is only one technique that you should use in your playing. thats a kin to saying "a hammer is the only tool you should use to build a house". i couldn't disagree more. they are all techniques, and they have their own niches in various musical settings. you should know them all. just take a look at some of muris' lessons. he uses every technique imaginable with mastery. i agree with all the others thats say GO SLOW. its the key. you cant play fast until your right hand is relaxed, and it cant be relaxed till you really built up that muscle memory. it takes time, thats all. boris You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

coffeeman View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 01:45 AM
Jan 23 2008, 01:45 AM	Experienced Tone Seeker Posts: 1.762 Joined: 15-September 07 From: Bogota,Colombia	QUOTE (ch00ch00man @ Jan 22 2008, 07:41 PM) thats a kin to saying "a hammer is the only tool you should use to build a house". i couldn't disagree more. they are all techniques, and they have their own niches in various musical settings. you should know them all. just take a look at some of muris' lessons. he uses every technique imaginable with mastery. i agree with all the others thats say GO SLOW. its the key. you cant play fast until your right hand is relaxed, and it cant be relaxed till you really built up that muscle memory. it takes time, thats all. boris Ivan said "is ONLY ONE technique" not "the ONLY ONE" . You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- The only thing yo can do, is what you love! Visit my youtube

Smikey2006 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:11 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:11 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.361 Joined: 27-April 07 From: London,ont	yup Many different ways.. i think thats what Ivan meant You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter Exotic Star+ Peavey VK Ibanez Xiphos 707 + Krank Revolution 100 Damien 7 Wishlist Schecter Customshop Schecter 2008 Blackjack Damage Control Timeline Delay Pedal/Distortion a laptop that runs protools :'(

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:22 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:22 AM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	AP is base for every picking technique. Just don't let it be your only weapon,that's whole point. Practice more picking types at the same time,just give small advantage to alternate. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:27 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:27 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	You didn't understand me m8. I said only one technique not THE only one..... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Tjchep View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:33 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:33 AM	GMC:er Posts: 1.084 Joined: 16-October 07 From: United States, CT	So, If you feel more comfortable doing speed picking using economy picking is that bad? And is it a must to learn alternate picking? I never felt I got more speed out of alternate picking, and economy just felt smoother to me with transitions from strings. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my playing here - https://www.youtube.com/user/tjchep

Smikey2006 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:36 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:36 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.361 Joined: 27-April 07 From: London,ont	QUOTE (Tjchep @ Jan 22 2008, 08:33 PM) So, If you feel more comfortable doing speed picking using economy picking is that bad? And is it a must to learn alternate picking? I never felt I got more speed out of alternate picking, and economy just felt smoother to me with transitions from strings. This is how i felt too.. it works really well but when you get into 3 notes per string patterns it gets sloppy.. but the transitions are really easy its just sometimes odd to sweep 2 strings and then AP again.. i mean.. i use economy for fast stuff.. people say AP sounds more consistant as well.. idk.. lets get more opinions You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter Exotic Star+ Peavey VK Ibanez Xiphos 707 + Krank Revolution 100 Damien 7 Wishlist Schecter Customshop Schecter 2008 Blackjack Damage Control Timeline Delay Pedal/Distortion a laptop that runs protools :'(

shellshock1911 View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:38 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:38 AM	GMC:er Posts: 689 Joined: 26-March 07 From: Columbus, Georgia, USA	QUOTE (Tjchep @ Jan 23 2008, 02:33 AM) So, If you feel more comfortable doing speed picking using economy picking is that bad? And is it a must to learn alternate picking? I never felt I got more speed out of alternate picking, and economy just felt smoother to me with transitions from strings. Play an upstroke, listen to how it sounds, then play a downstroke on the same note, listen to how different they sound. In order to have a consistant tone you want up down up down up down because the pick direction creates a subtle difference in the tone. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! --------------------

ch00ch00man View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:38 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:38 AM	GMC:er Posts: 143 Joined: 7-April 07	QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Jan 22 2008, 09:27 PM) You didn't understand me m8. I said only one technique not THE only one..... thats my bad, i misread that. i though you meant THE only one. my apologies. boris You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

ch00ch00man View Member Profile	Jan 23 2008, 02:42 AM
Jan 23 2008, 02:42 AM	GMC:er Posts: 143 Joined: 7-April 07	QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:38 PM) Play an upstroke, listen to how it sounds, then play a downstroke on the same note, listen to how different they sound. In order to have a consistant tone you want up down up down up down because the pick direction creates a subtle difference in the tone. i think thats a very good point! it is what gives ap that characteristic machine gun sound you don't get with economy. boris You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

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