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Sep 20 2012, 03:57 AM
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Hey guys! I just wrote up this new article about getting good tone using direct in methods. I used Marcus Siepen's lesson on Metal Rhythm Guitar as the musical example I recorded to demonstrate the recording techniques. Tell me what you all think! I would totally love to hear what you guys do to get good tone from your amp modelers!
www.dansorber.com Ive attached the track as well as my POD FARM preset for anyone interested... Up the irons! \m/
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GMCMetalRhythm.mp3 ( 2.58MB )
Number of downloads: 346
Dan_Sorber_s_Rhythm.l6t ( 5.66K )
Number of downloads: 215-------------------- My blog and instructional website
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Sep 22 2012, 12:50 AM
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NIce! Sounds like a Marshal JCM 900 with an SM57 IMHO so it's a very spiff emulation in my book in that it sounds like an amp, not like software
 Well done!I've found one of the tricks, is to get plenty of signal in to the interface/computer so the plugin/vst doesn't have to pull up the noise floor any more than it has to. Otherwise, you can get just wads of extra noise/hiss and the emulators don't seem to overdrive as well with lower signal levels. Here is an example I did today. Using OVERLOUD TH1. http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/gmc-lesson-128-backing-six QUOTE (metaldan @ Sep 19 2012, 10:57 PM)  Hey guys! I just wrote up this new article about getting good tone using direct in methods. I used Marcus Siepen's lesson on Metal Rhythm Guitar as the musical example I recorded to demonstrate the recording techniques. Tell me what you all think! I would totally love to hear what you guys do to get good tone from your amp modelers! www.dansorber.com Ive attached the track as well as my POD FARM preset for anyone interested... Up the irons! \m/ |
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Sep 22 2012, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 21 2012, 11:50 PM) NIce! Sounds like a Marshal JCM 900 with an SM57 IMHO so it's a very spiff emulation in my book in that it sounds like an amp, not like software Well done!I've found one of the tricks, is to get plenty of signal in to the interface/computer so the plugin/vst doesn't have to pull up the noise floor any more than it has to. Otherwise, you can get just wads of extra noise/hiss and the emulators don't seem to overdrive as well with lower signal levels. Here is an example I did today. Using OVERLOUD TH1. http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/gmc-lesson-128-backing-six Thanks Todd! Thats what I was trying to go for... getting that emulation as realistic as possible. I think a big part of that is the extra steps I take to prep the signal before it reaches the emulator. You definitely mention a point I didn't go over thats super important... and that is obtaining the proper levels... I like to try and set it so my loudest point comes right up to 0 (so generally its set around -3 or -4 with 'normal' levels). I suppose you want it as loud as possible without clipping. I have three levels to check to avoid clipping: at the preamp, at POD FARM itself and of course in the DAW. But hiss can be a problem definitely... its good my direct box has a ground level... helps get rid of a lot of noise... ALSO, making sure your guitar is properly shielded helps a lot too! Your tone is definitely some of the best emulation Ive heard! Nice job! Its definitely 'in your face'... I think if I used some impulse files I could've gotten a similar quality. Not sure what you did but you have a definite 'realistic' factor going on too... like I'm right there in your iso booth as you record it! hmmm, looks like I'll be writing a part 2 to this article, hahah. This post has been edited by metaldan: Sep 22 2012, 01:01 AM -------------------- My blog and instructional website
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The big secret is the OVERLOUD TH1 custom patch. It allows wads of signal processing and supports impulses on the cabinet emulation right inside the plugin. Here is a screen grab. I'm using
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Sep 22 2012, 03:22 AM
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Nice sound, and the aticle was good. I also liked the "Defining yourself" article.
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Sep 25 2012, 09:37 PM
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The plugin is something I was told about by one of our students here at GMC. I was a big fan of GUITAR RIG and still am but this one seemed to sound better out of the box with minimal tweaking and the integration of impulses and ability to stack multi cabinets and mics really gets it to start sounding very real and very un "sim" which is handy
You can download the TH1 (The cheaper version) Or TH2 (Pricier but with wads more virtual gear) from the overloud web site and give them both a whirl to see what you think. Since many students use the TH1 plugin, and since those presets work in TH2 as well, I"ve been using it like crazy and sharing presets in my lesson notes. The preset you hear in this clip and the lick in the solo is from our last lesson actually http://bit.ly/gmclesson128 Todd QUOTE (metaldan @ Sep 24 2012, 02:06 PM) @TODD: Never heard of TH1 until now ... definitely sounds good. I like how the setup is 'real' in a virtual world. To get POD FARM to sound halfway decent usually requires setting up the 'gear' in ways you would NEVER do in the real world. *shrugs*Hey Von! Thanks for checking out my website! More to come! |
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Sep 29 2012, 07:57 PM
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It usually depends on which one I"m spending more time with. For me, neither one has any latancy but that's more about the rig I'm running them on than the plugins themselves. If there were latency issues, I wouldn't use either one. Glad there arent any.
I spent a LOT of time with NI Guitar Rig and have a thread full of free patches if you want to check them out in my forum. I still use it in Chat lessons for Metronome and sometimes for emulation. But I"ve been getting really in to OVERLOUD TH1 lately as the underlying algorithms that create the tone continue to impress me. I'm able to get it to sound like a somewhat like an actual rig with nowhere near the effort that NI took. It seems that it works a bit better out of the box somehow. But I love emulation in general. I have Guitar Rig 4, Guitar Rig 5, Overloud TH1, Overloud TH2, and Amplitude Metal. Each one does certain things really well IMHO. TH1 is the cheapest and easiest to use as it only has one amp head. So it's much easier to configure. It also lets you stack guitar cabinets (I use two typically, and four microphones) and use impulses really easily and save all the bits as a preset. Here is my TH1 preset thread btw. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...2013&hl=rig I keep cracking open TH2 and MAN is it every stacked with options. So many heads to choose from that It's almost overwhelming. And they do sound better IMHO than the heads in Guitar Rig (just one mans thoughts, that's all). In guitar rig I almost never used a HEAD. I would almost always use the SANSAMP rack unit which is a way to fake an amp head without using one. To this day I still don't like the tone of the heads in guitar rig generally as most are too boomy and fizzy for me. I only have one patch in GR with a head and it's called the BEN HIGGINS patch based on his Marshall lead tone. QUOTE (Lovtscho @ Sep 29 2012, 05:26 AM) Just a question: So you prefer the overloud instead of NI Guitar Rig? Has this to do with latency or sound? |
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Sep 30 2012, 01:37 PM
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When I get a more powerful computer I will definitely try out Overloud.
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Oct 2 2012, 04:25 AM
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Wow, your sound is great! I even don't know, what to add!
Maybe just full song arrangement
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Oct 3 2012, 08:48 AM
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thank you todd!
I will try that... cause I really like the samples of overloud.. |
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Oct 4 2012, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE (wollace03 @ Oct 3 2012, 03:48 AM) thank you todd! I will try that... cause I really like the samples of overloud.. Keep in mind that the patch you are hearing in my SIX DEMON BAG recording is a complex custom build that took me about a week of non stop tweaking to settle on.Two cabinets, four microphones, blah blah. It's a big patch and I"ve added IMPULSES that are not part of OVERLOUD but can be installed separately. But having said that, even right out of the box I LOVED the OVERLOUD PATCHES! I had to work like crazy in GUITAR RIG to get good tone. But in OVERLOUD, it just sorta happens SPIFFY THREAD FROM UNCREATOR WITH FREE KILLER CAB IMPULSES! Here is the link to the AWESOME thread from uncreator with links to wads of FREE amp sims and the AMAZING Gods Cab Impulses which are also free!!!! **You may be saying "What are Impulses?" This is also covered in the thread linked below https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=43940 |
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