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Posted by: Daniel Realpe Jan 7 2010, 04:23 PM

Posted by: Sensible Jones Jan 7 2010, 05:01 PM

His book 'Crossing the Rubicon' is an amazing read!

Posted by: audiopaal Jan 7 2010, 05:05 PM

Thanks for sharing
That's a movie I'd be interrested in!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 7 2010, 11:53 PM

It's a paranoia movie IMO. There is plenty of oil available, after Iraq, they will transfer to Iran, after that, they will melt the Arctic on purpose to pump oil out, they are already fighting about the teritory, ever since the Russia pocked the flag on the sea bed. We're safe at least 70-80 more years, the price boosts will happen again tho, they have to earn money somehow.

Posted by: rokchik Jan 8 2010, 12:21 AM

I'm reading it now. For better or worse it really makes you think.

Posted by: kahall Jan 8 2010, 02:31 AM

Who is they?

Posted by: Toroso Jan 8 2010, 03:30 AM

You know... them.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Jan 8 2010, 03:47 AM

well, according to this guy, it's not really easy to pump oil out of the arctic and besides that the US is putting all their trust and faith on this "difficult" oil.
The point is, it's about time to stop consuming every single well of resources we found without thinking on future generations. It actually shocked me, I got to say.

Posted by: kahall Jan 8 2010, 05:32 AM

Future generations will get the energy they need from other sources, which ones I have no idea, but someone will invent that we the need arises, which is not now because there is still plenty of oil to be had. Everyone used to use whale oil until we figured out where to get the good stuff. We have tons of oil underground here in the US in Montana and other places and it is easy to get to. We just can't drill in most of these places due to the whack jobs in the environmental movement over here who want us all to ride bikes or something. Drill Baby Drill! Yes, I love Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Fran Jan 8 2010, 05:42 AM

Might be an interesting movie, but I'll take it with a grain of salt, just like everything on the tv/news

Posted by: Rik Veldhuizen Jan 8 2010, 08:32 AM

just talked about this with an owner of a capital company who talks to loads of people in the business. It seems it is a generally shared vision that the rate of demand is rising much more than the rate of supply, which will throw us back (at least somewhat) economical wise (percentage income spent on energy will rise from say 5% to 20-25%). Which is kind of funny, given that economy growth causes the demand to rise... Also, oil prizes have never been this high (relatively) during a crisis.

Anyway, we better find alternative energy really fast. However, knowledge on for instance nuclear energy is limited, i.e. resource wise. But nuclear fusion seems the only viable alternative.

Just thought I'd share his words here...

Posted by: Mr T Jan 8 2010, 09:32 AM

It will never come as far as this man predicts, where all factories, cars and law enforcement stops. I think we can be certain that we'll have an alternative when the time comes. Right now no one really feels the heat of the problem, because it's still too far off in the future. At some point we will feel the heat and I can hardly imagine we will just wait till we are out of oil.

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Jan 8 2010, 10:14 AM

As the Danes proved it is possible to convert a small town from one using old energy sources, to "new" energy sources. The village is called Samso if someone want to read about it.

Besides don't be so naive and think that the technologies aren't already here, it is just that the same companies that rises the prices of energy haven't bought the right/patents/whatever to those technologies, and that way ensures that their business is safe both from other energy sources competition and in historical view, from having major problems when oil/gas thing will end.

For example even in Poland someone discovered a very environmental friendly and effective way of using coal for gaining energy, but the rights were soon bought off, and "nobody wants to" invest in those technologies nowadays.

There are two real problems that arise for "western civilizations" and those are the "Muslim" thread that is a problem because of the small birth margin of "westerners" more than by anything else, and another problem connected with the small birth margin, which is the thread of social/economical downfall as people just don't understand that they get more than they can, and don't want to give out any of the social rights they already posses.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Jan 8 2010, 04:19 PM

is there oil really under Montana?

I wonder why the US is building 7 military bases in Colombia! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-builds-up-its-bases-in-oilrich-south-america-1825398.html

And also their embassy in Iraq is bigger than the Vatican. That can't be a temporary job.

Posted by: audiopaal Jan 8 2010, 06:22 PM

Haha, I didn't know that..
That can't be a temporary job as you say

Posted by: jdriver Jan 9 2010, 02:59 AM

Yes, in the form of shale oil deposits. Very energy intensive and somewhat expensive to process out, but it can be done and many are trying to go ahead in Montana.

Posted by: Gary Jan 9 2010, 05:44 AM

is there oil really under Montana?

Yes.. phenominal amounts.. in the form of shale oil deposits as was already mentioned. Quanity exceeds that of many middle eastern nations combined. Advancements in techologies are making it more viable to go after this oil.

I wonder why the US is building 7 military bases in Colombia!

Hmmmm... I wonder if it could have anything to do with the whack job that is running Venezuela..Chavez? At some point someone is going to have to whip this dudes arse. It will either come from within as citizens of Venezuela tire of his nationalization projects and take a run at a revolt, or the beating will come from the outside (U.S). It is not uncommon for countries to invite the US in when they start getting nervous about their neighbors.

Gary

+1

Gary

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Jan 9 2010, 01:58 PM

Why would the US get involved Militarily with one of the biggest oil reservations on the earth? Venezuela,

for democracy? to help Venezuelan people?

I'd go for oil, but that's only my opinion,











That would really solve things in that matter. Let's hope they find it so it's ok until they find or decide change to a better, cleaner, renuevable form of energy.

Posted by: jstcrsn Jan 9 2010, 11:39 PM

why do people always look at people that need to make a profit as evil - profit is neccesary - oil companies make 8 percent profit ,any other bussiness that made that little percentage would soon be in bankrupcy
go ahead ask kris if he has a higher yeild from GMC?
is he wrong for trying to make a living?
remember both sides have their own retereck and propoganda to make you think their way
thats why it is important not to believe anybody - not even someone you think you can trust- but do your own research and make up your own mind

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Jan 10 2010, 02:28 AM

I agree with some of what you are saying...as my friend said yesterday, money is a necessary inconvenience

But I also have to say that you have to choose what to believe in. We all believe in something, even unbelievers have the belief of not believeing.

I don't it's good to be paranoid with this type of stuff because you can't get anything out of that, but it's good to be conscious.

Posted by: Gary Jan 10 2010, 03:17 AM

There are numerous reasons the U.S. may engage Chavez..and being an American I would admit that some of the reasons could be seen as selfish. That said, we are are a country that thrives on freedom and the proliferation of democracy..we have sworn to protect these two ideals both here and abroad and we have paid a tremendous price (in terms of both economics and lives) to support them.

You may have noticed that Chavez devalued the Venezuela currency today by 50% as compared to the US dollar. The impact of this will be severe to the common citizens there. This one move could very well be the beginning of the end for him. As for the oil..the US is in doubt nervous about how Chavez would use oil (and the nationized profits he makes from oil) to make political gains in South America.

Gary

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 10 2010, 03:24 AM

By they, I mean big companies and elite that earn money from the oil business. And oil business is the big business, there is no bigger business. If there is oil in the arctic, they will for sure melt it down and find a way to pump it out. They will do just about anything just to keep the oil pumping out, it's what moves the world ahead.
[irony] - If fighting a small local war and killing hundreds of people (both local people and army sent there) is a decision that had to be made, you can imagine, that melting some ice caps and drilling down the ocean is a piece of cake. [/irony]

Posted by: jstcrsn Jan 10 2010, 04:19 AM

i'm interested what do you mean by a small war
and did you not read oil profits are only 8 percent, of course don't trust me , research it your self

Posted by: kahall Jan 10 2010, 06:14 AM

The oil business is not the biggest business or the most profitable as has already been pointed out and they are not evil. These same oil companies spend more than you would think on research trying to find other alternate energy sources and ways to drill where you could not drill before without too much damage. I am pretty sure they won't decide that melting the arctic is the way to go. Bigger problems at least here in the US are Big School, Big (lying) Science (see global warming, global cooling, climate change, ozone hole frauds) and the worst Big Government.



They guy that made that movie in my opinion is nut case. He is making money playing off of peoples worse fears and he is not even good at it.



But...but, Michael Moore, Sean Pean, Oliver Stone and other hollywood tools think he is just awesome. This Marxist tyrant will have to be dealt with sooner or later.

Thank God we have a Constitution in the US. No matter how hard they try to do as Chevez does they will never ever get away with it. But still they are trying daily.

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Jan 10 2010, 09:58 AM

Oil is not a business, it is a tool of manipulating global economy, and the 8% margin is a joke. The connection between $ and oil is what makes it possible for the USA to do what they do for the last 50 years, like bringing democracy to different places via warheads. And there is a contradiction between "don't believe anything" and "research yourself" because doing research is nothing else than reading some sources that You believe are right. The choice is between believing something that makes sense, and that which makes none.

Posted by: GrindGuer Jan 10 2010, 11:28 AM

The thing is that a percentage doesn't mean anything. 8% on billions of dollars will always be far more interesting than 95% on the money from GMC. And all that money isn't used to help people live, but to make more money from it. I think Kristofer uses his paycheck to live.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Jan 11 2010, 04:37 PM

yes, in the end you have to choose what to believe



Interestingly enough I heard yesterday on French news radio that Chavez and Venezuela are using a different type of exchange "currency" that doesn't depend on the dollar to manage oil and derivative transactions.