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Jun 30 2007, 09:23 PM
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Hi,
Im sorta pissed off right now. Ive been playing guitar for 2 years and cant create much shreds or solos (thats cause ive been listening and playing punk rock all this while and have just joined a metal band). I know my techniques and stuff right, but i just dont understand theory. I need to know theory to create lead stuff. Im like totally lost!!! I dont understand the real difference between a scale and a mode, when our lead guitarist tells me to play in a key im like WHAT? Sadly now the lead guitarist has left and im all alone stuck with a drummer and vocalist with high expectations! Can you guys post some lessons in order of difficulty that tell you how to USE and play scales and things like that (mainly for making metal songs)? A question thats really been bugging me about scales is that do we always have to play the notes in the same order that its in the box? Do we need scales to make songs? What are some good scales or modes for metal (links would be appreciated)? I saw Andrew's key and chord lesson but how do we use that with power chords? Please help me out, i need to fix my problem within wednesday (i have to make a song by then and tommorow is gone since im getting my report cards and im dead!). Thanks a lot for trying to help me out guys, i know i have loads if questions and theyre really time consuming to read and answer... Note: Please ignore spelling errors and stuff as im typing fast under stress -------------------- __________________________
 ___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM)  Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
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Jun 30 2007, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (jammer91 @ Jun 30 2007, 08:23 PM) Do we need scales to make songs? I play in a metal band, and I've NEVER used scales when making riffs/songs. QUOTE (jammer91 @ Jun 30 2007, 08:23 PM) A question thats really been bugging me about scales is that do we always have to play the notes in the same order that its in the box? You can use any note in any order or direction inside a scale. (If I understood your question correctly?) Have you checked out Kris' Speed picking lessons? Pavel also got alot of awesome lessons. And Andrew have really awesome theory lessons. Hope this helped atleast a littlebit  Good luck.Edit: Check out these lessons. http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar-3.htm http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/in-the-style3.htm http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/101-video-lessons-3.htm http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/riffs-licks-lessons-4.htm http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar-exercises-2.htm Sorry for not being that precice...  I like this one in particular http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-gui...esson/index.htm This post has been edited by Robin: Jun 30 2007, 10:14 PM |
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Jul 1 2007, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (stratman33 @ Jul 1 2007, 01:17 PM) No, I never use scales to make songs, i just mess around.I dont see how you can make full songs out of scales... Guys, there have been a couple of quotes like this - I think Robin made the last one ... Fact of the matter is that whether or not you know it, you are using scales to make songs! By definition any selection of notes within an octave is a scale of some sort or other .... Now I take your point - you are not hung up on using a particular scale, you are using a selection of notes that sounds cool to you, and that is a great and liberating way of writing. If you sat down and analyzed your songs however, you would be able to fit a scale to them. This is an example of theory serving to describe inspiration, rather than the other way around, either way is fine. I guess this is a subtle point, but I am the theory guy
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Jul 1 2007, 08:46 PM
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Most of the time yes, we are using scales. But I dont think about any scale or any pattern at all when I make riffs and songs. So I wouldnt say that I'm using scales. And for instance, if I change from one riff to another in a song, It can suddenly be in a totally different key and scale, that would "theoreticly" be all wrong. But I'm sure that I sometimes dont use scales at all, unless you want to call this a scale: http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...ic&get2=Get
Also, this sort of depends on what style you're playing. When I make rock'n'roll and blues for my one man band I often use the pentatonic scale(with alot of "blue notes"). But when it comes to metal I just play random stuff all around the fret board wtihout thinking about scales. But of course, I understand what you're saying Andrew
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Jul 1 2007, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (Robin @ Jul 1 2007, 03:46 PM) Most of the time yes, we are using scales. But I dont think about any scale or any pattern at all when I make riffs and songs. So I wouldnt say that I'm using scales. And for instance, if I change from one riff to another in a song, It can suddenly be in a totally different key and scale, that would "theoreticly" be all wrong. But I'm sure that I sometimes dont use scales at all, unless you want to call this a scale: http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...ic&get2=Get Also, this sort of depends on what style you're playing. When I make rock'n'roll and blues for my one man band I often use the pentatonic scale(with alot of "blue notes"). But when it comes to metal I just play random stuff all around the fret board wtihout thinking about scales. But of course, I understand what you're saying Andrew And I understand what you are saying
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Jul 1 2007, 09:59 PM
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Oh and btw. I dont mean "never" to use scales. When it comes to soloing and improvisation, USE SCALES! maybe you are already doing it, I'm just saying
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Jul 2 2007, 07:29 PM
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Thanks a lot!
I now get the picture thanks to you guys, its all about putting notes that sound good together. Ive come up with a plan by combining your ideas with some of mine to make a song: 1- Drop C tune the guitar 2-Turn up the gain, treble and stuff 3- Play a few power chords and other chords in the last three strings 4- Quickly play some triplets with the last note being a screaming artificial harmonic 5- If I'm in the mood add some fret taps, legato, bends and stuff 6- Do this stuff again FIRST SONG!!!! Thanks a lot: Smikey2006 Robin AIB234 stratman33 Andrew Cockburn icedern stratman33 Resurrection What do you think of my plan? Ill make a video and post the youtube link of my first song in a few weeks. Thanks again guys!!! I would have probably quit if it wasnt for you. There are a lot of people around me who pay like 300 dollars a month for acoustic guitar lessons (theyre also really good at electric) and they try to talk big cause of knowing theory and pretend its like everything by using theory word to tick me off. Im gonna put them off with an awesome song! -------------------- __________________________
___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
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Jul 2 2007, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (jammer91 @ Jul 2 2007, 02:29 PM) Thanks a lot! I now get the picture thanks to you guys, its all about putting notes that sound good together. Ive come up with a plan by combining your ideas with some of mine to make a song: 1- Drop C tune the guitar 2-Turn up the gain, treble and stuff 3- Play a few power chords and other chords in the last three strings 4- Quickly play some triplets with the last note being a screaming artificial harmonic 5- If I'm in the mood add some fret taps, legato, bends and stuff 6- Do this stuff again Good plan 
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Jul 2 2007, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 2 2007, 10:41 PM) Good plan Thanks (even if you are being sarcastic i still like my plan)
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___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
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Jul 2 2007, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (jammer91 @ Jul 2 2007, 02:43 PM) Thanks (even if you are being sarcastic i still like my plan) Nope, no sarcasm intended, I was just glad you had found a way forwards
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Jul 2 2007, 07:50 PM
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Awesome man, keep it up!
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Jul 3 2007, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 3 2007, 12:39 AM) I love how from the start of this thread Jammer is like major pissed off and frusterated and by today we have I thought that was funny. Any ways its kool how a little help can go a long way. Good plan and keep jamming ! -John  Lol yeah thanks -------------------- __________________________
___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
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